OT Patriot Prayer brings loaded guns to parking garage rooftop

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Antifa>>>>>>>>> those racist motherfuckers

Having a 2.5 inch pecker is better than having a 2 inch pecker.

 

[dviss1]

Having a 2.5 inch pecker is better than having a 2 inch pecker.

Don't equate them.

One is a group full of Nazis the other speaks out against them.

I don't agree with Antifa's tactics, but to equate them to the racists is fallacy and only done to keep a leftist "boogeyman" for the crazy right to rail against. Newsflash, PP should stop being so racist that people would counter protest against them.

Equating them is bullshit.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Di

Don't equate them.

One is a group full of Nazis the other speaks out against them.

I don't agree with Antifa's tactics, but to equate them to the racists is fallacy and only done to keep a leftist "boogeyman" for the crazy right to rail against. Newsflash, PP should stop being so racist that people would counter protest against them.

Equating them is bullshit.

Didn't equate them. 2.5 inches IS better.

I wouldn't like either one.

People screaming at me and blocking my freedom of movement can drop dead.

Nazis can drop dead too.

So I guess I do equate them. They both need to go to hell.

 

[Lanny]

Did they position them? Because I believe they would have been arrested if they had. I have been trying to find out some actual details about what happened but the city seems to have been very vague. They weren't arrested and the guns were returned to them because they had concealed weapons permits.

They did release that they were rifles, but I guarantee that if the guns were out and being "positioned" as you said, they would have been arrested.

I wasn't there so how would I know. I'm basing my statement on a news release.

 

[Lanny]

I disagree. No laws were broken. There was nothing to be arrested for. If the situation had been exactly the same only with Antifa instead of Patriot Prayer, the Police could not have arrested them.

How do you know that no laws were broken? You can't carry a firearm near the President or a lot of other dignitaries without breaking a law. I'm sure there's some sort of menacing law. If not then there should be.

 

[Lanny]

I just want the story to be accurate. I don't like Patriot Prayer. I don't like the Proud Boys. I don't like that they show up and do battle with Antifa in our streets.

But instead of spreading panic and misrepresenting the truth, I would rather the actual facts come out. The way this story was originally presented, it sounded like the police found several guys on a roof with rifles who were preparing to snipe. Also, a weapon's cache sounds a lot more substantial than one rifle per guy.

If it had been Antifa, first I would have been shocked because I doubt they know what a Quick Reaction Force is, and second I would wanted the facts to be clear in that example as well. These men broke no laws. Should they have been questioned? Absolutely. Should they have been warned? Yes. But they did nothing wrong so you can't arrest them.

I hate the sensationalist style of our journalism and then the subsequent passing of that information by people on social media. Look at the first post in this thread. Nothing in that post was accurate about what happened.

When you say "in that post" do you really mean "in that link"?

 

[dviss1]

People screaming at me and blocking my freedom of movement can drop dead.

You had this happened to you?

Probably not, but now are you or are you not more aware of their grievances with the Nazis?

 

[Natebishop3]

Antifa>>>>>>>>> those racist motherfuckers

So firstly, show me where those guys have damaged any property in Portland? Or blocked traffic?

Antifa sucks. They destroyed that guys car just a few weeks ago. They might not care what color you are, but if you don’t think like they do, they are violent and destructive. That makes them just as bad as any racist organization.

 

[dviss1]

So firstly, show me where those guys have damaged any property in Portland? Or blocked traffic?

Antifa sucks. They destroyed that guys car just a few weeks ago. They might not care what color you are, but if you don’t think like they do, they are violent and destructive. That makes them just as bad as any racist organization.

You only say this because you're white and never have to deal with racism. It's a typical response from people who don't experience it. I actually don't blame you for saying this. You're completely wrong, but understand the response. It's a typical one from those who equate the two groups.

But I'll refer you to a man you probably never heard of:

Racism is man's gravest threat to man - The maximum of hatred for a minimum of reason.

- Abraham J. Heschel

 

[dviss1]

Antifa is pissed art the same people y'all are pissed at, the government AND its enforcers.

Patriot Prayer are extreme, racist trumpets and are fueled by racism. In their eyes, I cannot be a patriot when I'm a MUCH better American than any of them will ever be.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Antifa is pissed art

Ok?

 

[MARIS61]

I love the whole "they are just a bunch of average Joe Americans hangingout of a roof who happen to have rifles" defense. "Nothing to see here they weren't out, loaded and pointed at anybody."

Come on guys, if the situation was exactly the same but it was Antifa up there you would be all over those violent troublemakers.

Nope.

 

[MARIS61]

Antifa are those racist motherfuckers

Fify

 

[Natebishop3]

You only say this because you're white and never have to deal with racism. It's a typical response from people who don't experience it. I actually don't blame you for saying this. You're completely wrong, but understand the response. It's a typical one from those who equate the two groups.

But I'll refer you to a man you probably never heard of:

Racism is man's gravest threat to man - The maximum of hatred for a minimum of reason.

- Abraham J. Heschel

I get what you're saying, but if there were genocide in two different countries, one against a group of people because of their religion, and another against a group of people because of their race, is there really a difference? It's still genocide. It's still hatred. To me, hatred is hatred. It is based on stereotyping and ignorance. And at its core, isn't racism about feeling superior?

If I type in racism into google, I get - prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

What I'm seeing from these groups like Antifa and Patriot Prayer is prejudice against the other side. Discrimination. Antagonism directed against someone of a different value system based on the belief that their own values are superior. That is what scares me. I'm not saying what's going on is racism. It's something completely different. It's still prejudice. TBPup shared a story a while back about getting accosted in downtown Portland because he was wearing a red hat. The person thought it was a MAGA hat, but it was actually a Doernbecher hat that happened to be red. To me, that is prejudice. That's bigotry based on the idea in that person's head that their beliefs are superior.

It scares me when I hear people equating all Republicans with Nazis. I have seen people call Republicans racists (not some Republicans. All Republicans.) This kind of generalization is going down a very dark road. And again, I have to point out that Antifa and other groups in Portland were rioting loooooooong before Patriot Prayer got here. It's not like those guys showed up and Antifa answered the call. Patriot Prayer came to Portland BECAUSE of Antifa.

 

[MARIS61]

Antifa is pissed art the same people y'all are pissed at, the government AND its enforcers.

Patriot Prayer are extreme, racist trumpets and are fueled by racism. In their eyes, I cannot be a patriot when I'm a MUCH better American than any of them will ever be.

Who’s pissed at our government and LEO’s?

Not me.

 

[dviss1]

What I'm seeing from these groups like Antifa and Patriot Prayer is prejudice against the other side. Discrimination. Antagonism directed against someone of a different value system based on the belief that their own values are superior.

Serious question: where have you garnered your info about Antifa? Because that matters.

They aren't protesting about being superior at all. They protesting AGAINST the people who think they're superior.

Now, If you disagree with their tactics I'll semi agree. But I'll also invite you to do some research on the Boston tea party.

Spoiler

It wasn't just a bunch of angry white men throwing tea into the harbor.

 

[dviss1]

Who’s pissed at our government and LEO’s?

Not me.

Sure.

They're killing the very people they should be killing in some people's eyes.

But you're also one who doesn't trust the government but LOVE it's enforcers, so, there's that..

 

[Lanny]

So firstly, show me where those guys have damaged any property in Portland? Or blocked traffic?

Antifa sucks. They destroyed that guys car just a few weeks ago. They might not care what color you are, but if you don’t think like they do, they are violent and destructive. That makes them just as bad as any racist organization.

Why do you think they brought the guns, for a street dance? To celebrate something Wild West way?

Antifa is pissed art the same people y'all are pissed at, the government AND its enforcers.

Patriot Prayer are extreme, racist trumpets and are fueled by racism. In their eyes, I cannot be a patriot when I'm a MUCH better American than any of them will ever be.

Of course it doesn't take much for anyone to be a better American than any of those dirt bags.

 

[Natebishop3]

Serious question: where have you garnered your info about Antifa? Because that matters.

They aren't protesting about being superior at all. They protesting AGAINST the people who think they're superior.

Now, If you disagree with their tactics I'll semi agree. But I'll also invite you to do some research on the Boston tea party.

Spoiler

It wasn't just a bunch of angry white men throwing tea into the harbor.

Here is an up close and personal look at Antifa.



Here is some undercover work in Antifa.



They're a bad group of people. They're not heroes. Many of them are anarchists.

 

[Natebishop3]

Why do you think they brought the guns, for a street dance? To celebrate something Wild West way?

Of course it doesn't take much for anyone to be a better American than any of those dirt bags.

I believe they have had guns at every single one of these protests. How come they haven't shot anyone? Having guns doesn't necessarily mean you're going to use them.

Watch that undercover clip above. Antifa has guns.

 

[Lanny]

I believe they have had guns at every single one of these protests. How come they haven't shot anyone? Having guns doesn't necessarily mean you're going to use them.

Watch that undercover clip above. Antifa has guns.

It's these far Right characters who started bringing guns in the first place. I remember a guy with a gun firing into a crowd of ANTIFA supporters with a handgun. Thank God, he missed.

 

[Natebishop3]

It's these far Right characters who started bringing guns in the first place. I remember a guy with a gun firing into a crowd of ANTIFA supporters with a handgun. Thank God, he missed.

I don't care who started it. I care that both these shit organizations are using our city as a battlefield.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html

US security officials have classified the left-wing group Antifa as "domestic terrorists", confidential documents have revealed.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has reportedly been warning about the growing threat of violence between left-wing anarchists and right-wing nationalists since 2016, amid claims Antifa's activity has become more confrontational, according to documents seen by Politico.

A confidential intelligence report by the DHS and the FBI accused the "anarchist extremists" of attacks on police, government and political institutions, along with any other symbols of the "capitalist system" or displays of racism, social injustice or fascism.

It described some of their activities as "domestic terrorist violence".

 

[Lanny]

I believe they have had guns at every single one of these protests. How come they haven't shot anyone? Having guns doesn't necessarily mean you're going to use them.

Watch that undercover clip above. Antifa has guns.

Having guns is not a good sign at a demonstration.

 

[Natebishop3]

Having guns is not a good sign at a demonstration.

No it's not. That's why I don't want either group in our city.

 

[Lanny]

No it's not. That's why I don't want either group in our city.

I'm not a fan of either group either, but I do think we should place our most efforts on groups like Patriot Prayer.

When it comes to blocking traffic, it it's a minor annoyance then I just go around and forget about it, but if they're blocking a route I really need to take such as one of my many medical emergencies, than I'm pissed beyond all recognition. Just to be safe, the police ought to be preventing that kind of nonsense along with the vandalism.

As for letting the two groups have at each other, they used to do that when gangs would fight one another but then the police started doing their job and prevented gangs from attacking on another. Nothing good comes from gang violence.

ANTIFA and the multitude of dangerous and violent far Right characters such as the KKK, White Supremacists, Nazis, et al, these are all just gangs and need to be dealt with as such.

 

[Hoopguru]

I'm not a fan of either group either, but I do think we should place our most efforts on groups like Patriot Prayer.

When it comes to blocking traffic, it it's a minor annoyance then I just go around and forget about it, but if they're blocking a route I really need to take such as one of my many medical emergencies, than I'm pissed beyond all recognition. Just to be safe, the police ought to be preventing that kind of nonsense along with the vandalism.

As for letting the two groups have at each other, they used to do that when gangs would fight one another but then the police started doing their job and prevented gangs from attacking on another. Nothing good comes from gang violence.

ANTIFA and the multitude of dangerous and violent far Right characters such as the KKK, White Supremacists, Nazis, et al, these are all just gangs and need to be dealt with as such.

Lanny, I think this type of conduct is more than a minor annoyance and these are the true Nazi's IMO.

 

[Hoopguru]

Ive never has a crazy right winger come up to my wife or daughter with this kind of hate. And hate is what it is.
The far left has always been more in your face than conservatives and that one of the reason I left the demo.

 

[Lanny]

Lanny, I think this type of conduct is more than a minor annoyance and these are the true Nazi's IMO.

Well, that incidence is, yes. When that happens to me, I stop talking and get out of there.

 

[CupWizier]

Ive never has a crazy right winger come up to my wife or daughter with this kind of hate. And hate is what it is.
The far left has always been more in your face than conservatives and that one of the reason I left the demo.

You need to pay closer attention HG. The right wingers have caused plenty of problems and got in peoples face. They even had a person kill a female at a rally.

 

[Lanny]

Ive never has a crazy right winger come up to my wife or daughter with this kind of hate. And hate is what it is.
The far left has always been more in your face than conservatives and that one of the reason I left the demo.

My wife and daughter? I've had that happen to me before and I got violent. I slugged the kid. He actually apologized right after I hit him. He mocked my wife's Asian accent. BAM, he got a taste of my anger.

I get angry like that about once every 20 or 30 years so you can see how I really try to avoid it.

Had I seen or heard someone get like that to your wife or daughter, even if I didn't know who they were, I would have gotten in between so they would have been safe.

I'm not a bad person I just feel like ANTIFA would largely fade away without some really nasty people showing up.

Edit: ps I always stand up for the defenseless.
I've got a great nephew who is the most popular kid in his school and a superstar basketball player. His dad and I tried to get him interested in our alma mater, Oregon State. Nope, he didn't want to go there. So, next we tried to interest him in North Carolina explaining they're reputation in basketball and in academics. Nope, he wanted none of that. Why? Because they discriminate against the gay young men there and he would have none of that. Mind you, he's a good looking kid who is extremely popular with the girls and very straight. He's so popular that the President of Samsung's son is one of his best friends. Now, I bring this up 'cause he also stands up for the defenseless and I'm extremely proud of him for that.

You can see my smile, as I talk about him, from there.