OT Paul Pierce Compares KD Joining Dubs to Kid Getting Beaten Up, Joining Bullies

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

I agree.

But, he kinda tried to shop a championship toward the end of his career as well.

Difference obviously being that Durant is in his prime.

What Durant did by joining the Warriors is whats wrong with the NBA today. Nearly no parity, the playoffs have been boring, the Finals should be good, but what a snooze fest these playoffs have been. 95% of the teams know they have no chance to win it all at the beginning of the year.

I blame a lot of this on David Stern changing the NBA in the late 90's to a zero tolerance fighting policy. Along with the softening of the NBA has come the departure of true rivalries.

I love the sport of basketball and happen to be from Portland where our only legit pro sports franchise is an NBA team. So I'm a diehard NBA fan. But the product sucks, its predictable and the lack of parity makes it at the bottom of the 3 major sports when it comes parity. Which makes the NBA pretty shitty.
 
Parity was terrible in the '80s, too. Two teams were perpetual contenders with a team here and there that could challenge for a title any given year. It's not particularly different from today--every title hasn't been won by Cleveland/Miami or Golden State. San Antonio has won, Dallas has won. San Antonio was a legitimate contender this year if it weren't for injuries.

It was a cosmic fluke that allowed Golden State to hoard this much talent--a lot of things had to break a certain way and they did. Yeah, that might make things boring for a few years, but less boring than the '90s, where the Bulls were basically expected to win every year. The intrigue was basically in who they'd beat, and what Jordan might do, not whether they were going to win.

For drama, the NBA is probably at the bottom of the barrel (baseball is at the top, because baseball playoffs are inherently more random). But the quality of play has never been higher, IMO. Offensive and defensive schemes are the most sophisticated in league history and the best teams pass beautifully, rather than pound isolations.
 
AAU has ruined the NBA.
 
I agree.

But, he kinda tried to shop a championship toward the end of his career as well.

Difference obviously being that Durant is in his prime.

Pierce was prepared to do it in his prime. He told management that he wasn't prepared to keep losing and was considering free agency if they couldn't turn things around. They picked up Garnett and Allen and obviously the rest is history.

I remember reading a history of the Jordan years for the Bulls, where Jordan was getting angry and frustrated with not progressing in terms of how far the Bulls got in the playoffs and told management that they had to make some moves or he wanted out. If he had the current free agency rules, it's not at all inconceivable that he could have sought a winning situation. I could easily see him and Barkley trying to create a "super team" had that possibility existed back then.

A lot of situations that "past stars never did" are going to happen because rules change.
 
Parity was terrible in the '80s, too. Two teams were perpetual contenders with a team here and there that could challenge for a title any given year. It's not particularly different from today--every title hasn't been won by Cleveland/Miami or Golden State. San Antonio has won, Dallas has won. San Antonio was a legitimate contender this year if it weren't for injuries.

It was a cosmic fluke that allowed Golden State to hoard this much talent--a lot of things had to break a certain way and they did. Yeah, that might make things boring for a few years, but less boring than the '90s, where the Bulls were basically expected to win every year. The intrigue was basically in who they'd beat, and what Jordan might do, not whether they were going to win.

For drama, the NBA is probably at the bottom of the barrel (baseball is at the top, because baseball playoffs are inherently more random). But the quality of play has never been higher, IMO. Offensive and defensive schemes are the most sophisticated in league history and the best teams pass beautifully, rather than pound isolations.
Now instead of the Bulls winning every year, its the same two teams in the finals every year. In the past 5 years, we've had two different matchups (MIA vs. SAS, and CLE vs. GSW). Lebron has been in the last 7 finals. At least the West was entertaining in the 90s with multiple teams having a chance at making the finals. Now there's no intrigue in either conference.
 
Pierce was prepared to do it in his prime. He told management that he wasn't prepared to keep losing and was considering free agency if they couldn't turn things around. They picked up Garnett and Allen and obviously the rest is history.

I remember reading a history of the Jordan years for the Bulls, where Jordan was getting angry and frustrated with not progressing in terms of how far the Bulls got in the playoffs and told management that they had to make some moves or he wanted out. If he had the current free agency rules, it's not at all inconceivable that he could have sought a winning situation. I could easily see him and Barkley trying to create a "super team" had that possibility existed back then.

A lot of situations that "past stars never did" are going to happen because rules change.

This is technically correct, but at least in the 90's the Bulls weren't blowing out every team by 30 points in the process.
 
Pierce was prepared to do it in his prime. He told management that he wasn't prepared to keep losing and was considering free agency if they couldn't turn things around. They picked up Garnett and Allen and obviously the rest is history.

I remember reading a history of the Jordan years for the Bulls, where Jordan was getting angry and frustrated with not progressing in terms of how far the Bulls got in the playoffs and told management that they had to make some moves or he wanted out. If he had the current free agency rules, it's not at all inconceivable that he could have sought a winning situation. I could easily see him and Barkley trying to create a "super team" had that possibility existed back then.

A lot of situations that "past stars never did" are going to happen because rules change.

Hard to say if that wasn't just posturing by Jordan. They were getting to the Eastern Conference finals and Jordan was young still. Its not like it was ground breaking moves that got them over the hill (past the Pistons). It was just their time.

I also think there is a significant difference in wanting a trade, and joining forces with a perennial championship contender for less money.
 
I agree.

But, he kinda tried to shop a championship toward the end of his career as well.

Difference obviously being that Durant is in his prime.


What Durant did by joining the Warriors is whats wrong with the NBA today. Nearly no parity, the playoffs have been boring, the Finals should be good, but what a snooze fest these playoffs have been. 95% of the teams know they have no chance to win it all at the beginning of the year.

I blame a lot of this on David Stern changing the NBA in the late 90's to a zero tolerance fighting policy. Along with the softening of the NBA has come the departure of true rivalries.

I love the sport of basketball and happen to be from Portland where our only legit pro sports franchise is an NBA team. So I'm a diehard NBA fan. But the product sucks, its predictable and the lack of parity makes it at the bottom of the 3 major sports when it comes parity. Which makes the NBA pretty shitty.

If you think that's the only difference or even the main difference, you would be completely wrong. You're comparing apples to asparagus.
 
Pierce was prepared to do it in his prime. He told management that he wasn't prepared to keep losing and was considering free agency if they couldn't turn things around. They picked up Garnett and Allen and obviously the rest is history.

I remember reading a history of the Jordan years for the Bulls, where Jordan was getting angry and frustrated with not progressing in terms of how far the Bulls got in the playoffs and told management that they had to make some moves or he wanted out. If he had the current free agency rules, it's not at all inconceivable that he could have sought a winning situation. I could easily see him and Barkley trying to create a "super team" had that possibility existed back then.

A lot of situations that "past stars never did" are going to happen because rules change.

Boston with Bird and the Lakers with Magic and Kareem were super teams.

You should go back and look at how those Celts were assembled. The trade for Parish was highway robbery.
 
From info I saw, He is a free agent after these playoffs.. So what if he has the LeBron mentality who left Cleveland for Miami for a chance to be part of a championship team.
 
IMO, I don't think there's one thing wrong with what LeBron did except for making it a Primetime special.
Yeah, I agree, and that primetime announcement program reminded me of the Avengers arriving to save the city. I think of LeBron as Thor.
 
i agree but find it ironic that he had ray ray and KG run to his squad for a ship then they tried it again in new jersey but were too old.
 
When was KG a teammate of Lebron?

Edit. Nvm you meant PP.

Weren't KG and Jesus traded to Boston?
Precisely. It drives me nuts when people try to compare that Boston team to LeBron's Heat/Cavs or Durant's Warriors. None of the starting 5 on the Celtics "super team" arrived via free agency: they were all either drafted or traded for.
 
ya but they were like im not playing without my buddy kind of shit

Link. That's just a bad post.

Ainge assembled that team. There was no collusion at all. He's just one of the best GMs in the league and BOS is a destination.
 
Sources: Kevin Durant willing to take less than max to keep Warriors' core intact

This is particularly relevant to free agents Andre Iguodala and Shaun Livingston, who have been pivotal to the Warriors' success as they have advanced to three straight NBA Finals.

In order to sign Durant to the maximum possible extension this offseason, starting at an estimated $35.4 million per year, the Warriors would have to renounce their rights to Iguodala and Livingston to create room under the salary cap. The most they can pay Durant in 2017-18 without creating cap space is 120 percent of his 2016-17 salary, a little less than $32 million.

Curry, long one of the league's most underpaid stars at about $11 million per year, could then sign a new contract starting at $35.4 million a season and worth approximately $205 million over the next five years.

But because Durant is willing to take less than the maximum he is eligible for this season, according to league sources, the Warriors would not need to create room under the cap to re-sign him and thus would not need to renounce their rights to any of their other free agents.

Durant could sign a so-called "non-Bird" extension for up to four years, but a more likely scenario would have him sign another two-year deal, with a player option on the second year (similar to what LeBron James did in Cleveland for several years). Durant would then be eligible for another one-plus-one deal next year starting at an estimated $35.7 million and a five-year, supermax contract of approximately $217 starting in 2019-20.

By taking approximately $4 million less than his max next year and waiting to get his long-term extension for at least another season, Durant would allow the Warriors a chance to use their Bird rights to re-sign their own free agents (mostly notably Iguodala and Livingston) to deals far more comparable to what they'd likely see on the open market.
 
I get where he's coming from, but it's just annoying to hear guys like him and others who have formed/been on superteams. Especially Pierce who was essentially on the original superteam. He was a good player before Garnett and Allen came, an all-star, but in the previous 4 years they only made playoffs twice and only played in 11 games. One of those years they made the playoffs with a losing record. Another year they won 20-something games. So for someone who's legacy was so changed and impacted by the rescue of a superteam forming around him, I feel like he shouldn't be so salty.

He also then went onto Brooklyn with KG and Jason Terry and joined with Deron Williams, Joe Johnson and Brook Lopez (and AK-47, Shaun Livingston and some decent rotation players like Mirza Teletovic, Andray Blatche (12/6 off the bench that year, and Mason Plumlee). On paper and online, people thought that team was gonna be great, but it didn't work out for him and he ended up on two other teams. Washington who had Wall, Beal and Gortat and had just had 5 players average 14+ppg as well as the next year with LAC who were coming off of winning 56 games and had Paul, Griffin, Deandre as well as Redick (16ppg) Crawford (14ppg).

I understand that it's different because GS knocked out OKC last year in a brutal way, but it's not like Pierce hasn't jumped to other teams where he thought he could succeed on somewhat established teams that on paper looked very very good as well.
 
Link. That's just a bad post.

Ainge assembled that team. There was no collusion at all. He's just one of the best GMs in the league and BOS is a destination.
They were assembled on boston. Im talking when they went to nets together.
 
Boston with Bird and the Lakers with Magic and Kareem were super teams.

You should go back and look at how those Celts were assembled. The trade for Parish was highway robbery.

They got the 1st pick in the draft for Parish. You usually got to give up quite a bit for the top pick.

McHale and Ainge were drafted. The only guy they really stole was DJ.
 
From info I saw, He is a free agent after these playoffs.. So what if he has the LeBron mentality who left Cleveland for Miami for a chance to be part of a championship team.
Kind of different scenarios though. Durant left a great team to go to the warriors, a team that they were beating 3-1 in the conference finals and a GM that has shown to be able to make good moves and put good talent around side KD. Lebron left a team that was a bunch of role players and him with very little else and a GM who made a bunch of bad moves and couldn't surround Lebron with much of anything.
 
Yeah Durant is a coatail rider. If he wubs this year with warriors there will always be an asterisk and it will always follow him
 
Yeah Durant is a coatail rider. If he wins this year with Warriors, there will always be an asterisk, and it will always follow him
Not if he's clearly the best player on the floor like he was tonight. It's one thing if he joins a team that carries him to a title; it's another entirely if he's the one that leads them to it.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top