PBS presents "9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out" [video]

[Haakzilla]

...forensic evidence, scientific methods, and irrefutable proof that the official 9/11 Commission Report and the NIST explanations are complete bullshit. I encourage everyone, even BrianfromWA, to take 80 minutes of their time to view this powerful documentary and demand a real independent investigation into the most tragic crime in American history.

Over 40 experts in high-rise architecture, structural engineering, metallurgy, chemistry, physics, explosives, and controlled demolition share their professional expertise and insights about the events of 9/11. Additionally, 8 psychological experts discuss why proving controlled demolition of the three World Trade Center skyscrapers can be so difficult for individuals to accept.

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[MARIS61]

Few people have the courage to face the horrific truth that their own government committed such an horrific crime against them, simply for greed and power. To do so would leave them terrified and helpless. By voluntarily accepting the role of blind sheep, they feel safe and warm.

Ignoring truth is the greatest form of cowardice.

 

[MARIS61]

I doubt more than 2 or 3 on this board will even have the stones to watch the entire video.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

no government would ever do that to its own people, and if happened it would be unprecedented :MARIS61:

 

[barfo]

I don't have the patience to look at it, maybe that is lack of stones.

barfo

 

[Haakzilla]

I don't have the patience to look at it, maybe that is lack of stones.

barfo

...better known as cognitive dissonance

 

[barfo]

...better known as cognitive dissonance

Maybe... maybe it is cognitive who-gives-a-shit.

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

no government would ever do that to its own people, and if happened it would be unprecedented :MARIS61:

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Maybe... maybe it is cognitive who-gives-a-shit.

barfo

who gives a shit if 9/11 is a lie?

goooood sheep, go to sleep

 

[3RA1N1AC]

for the record, i think the jews did it :MARIS61:

 

[Haakzilla]

for the record, i think the jews did it :MARIS61:

...aka the Zionist faction in Israel

 

[PapaG]

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[MARIS61]

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Hilarious! Presenting a Skull and Bones member (the group most often alleged to have orchestrated 9/11), who has no education even remotely connected to fire, demolition, sabotage or anything else except bean-counting as your rebuttal.

Dr. Shyam Sunder is the James L. Frank Professor of Accounting, Economics, and Finance at the Yale School of Management; Professor in the Department of Economics; and Fellow of the Whitney Humanities Center. He is a world-renowned accounting theorist and experimental economist. His research contributions include financial reporting, dissemination of information in security markets, statistical theory of valuation, and design of electronic markets. He is a pioneer in the fields of experimental finance and experimental macroeconomics.

You crack me up PapaG, you really do.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

lol

"we made computer drawings of a building falling down, so yeah umm, what we said"

 

[3RA1N1AC]

they should make a computer drawing of the sun revolving around the earth, then it would be fact too

 

[Haakzilla]

lol

"we made computer drawings of a building falling down, so yeah umm, what we said"

"we didn't find evidence of explosives...because we NEVER looked for it"

"we didn't find decibel levels from the explosions in any of the videos...because we NEVER looked at any of the videos that captured them"

"there were no eye witnesses that heard the explosions...because we NEVER talked to them"

 

[3RA1N1AC]

for the record, i think our evil reptilian overlords did it

 

[jlprk]

Last night I started watching about 3 am and saw that it ran 2:15, not 80 minutes. I stuck with it, with the help of some 4 am coffee. I woke up later thinking about it, so I guess I summarized it in my dreams. I know that you all must have been up watching all night, but for the 1 or 2 who didn't, here's what I remember.

The film has many top level, ultra-experienced engineers who specialize in exactly this type of engineering or physics. They say it could only have been an engineered implosion, not caused by fire. The oldest one was the head of electrical engineering for the whole Twin Tower construction project in 1969.

Hundreds of tons of steel girders held up the buildings. They were placed to prevent it from falling down. Yet the buildings, as filmed, fell at free fall speeds. For there to be no resistance, the steel girders on each floor must have been knocked out of place before that floor cascaded into where they had been.

The melting point of steel is 2700 degrees F. The type of fuel in the jets burns at maximum 850. So quantity of fuel isn't an issue. You could fill every cubic inch of the buildings with jet fuel, light it on fire, and the steel wouldn't melt.

Film shows the 47-story building caving in exactly from the center. Odds are very high that a weakened girder wouldn't be there. The NIST computer simulation (shown both in the main video and in PapaG's video) shows one side pulling down the other, contradicting the film (also shown in both videos). Many of the experts criticize the NIST report for many things.

The head of the top firm which implodes buildings on purpose (he did the King Dome, etc.) says it looks like a classical implosion just like his, not like a fire.

Explosions occur in manmade implosions, not in fire ones. Film of many witnesses that day is shown, reporting many loud explosions like firecrackers.

The building remains were quickly sold to China for scrap before a legally-required investigation could occur. Laws were broken.

Many odd things, like the surface was measured at 1200 degrees days later, which could be caused only by the military chemical thermate.

Compare my memory to the gray right column here.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

 

[PapaG]

This thread is Kook Central.

I'd rather listen to a biologist talk about the various ways to be vague about the scientific method.

That film is a joke.

"Maybe this happened"

"Maybe that happened"

Do you kooks know how many people would have to be in on a conspiracy that involves blowing up buildings? I highly doubt it, but the kooks are gonna be kooks, no matter what logic says.

Popular Mechanics destroyed the Kook argument years ago, yet every now and then, we get another bit of propaganda. This one includes a BYU professor who embarrassed his school so much, the forced him to retire, and a "Nobel Science" winner who is a biologist talking about the various forensics in the world of steel and thermite.

 

[PapaG]

The melting point of steel is 2700 degrees F. The type of fuel in the jets burns at maximum 850.

You don't even factor in the heat of the steel as its molecules start to circulate due to heat. That causes it's own heat as well, and leads to the melting of steel.

You do know that you can melt steel with gasoline too, right, if the conditions are correct?

Gasoline burns at a lower temperature than jet fuel, yet fires caused by it can and have melted steel in thousands of auto accidents.

I suppose those incidents are also caused by G-men planting thermite at accident scenes?

 

[jlprk]

PapaG is 100% conservative, here to defend whatever system he by chance finds himself randomly born into.

He makes me believe the protestations of Denny and Maxiep that mixing in some Libertarianism makes you a horse of a different color. His presence makes them look good. I appreciate them more because of him.

 

[PapaG]

Kooks don't want to read these facts.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4054

 

[jlprk]

You don't even factor in the heat of the steel as its molecules start to circulate due to heat. That causes it's own heat as well, and leads to the melting of steel.

You do know that you can melt steel with gasoline too, right, if the conditions are correct?

Gasoline burns at a lower temperature than jet fuel, yet fires caused by it can and have melted steel in thousands of auto accidents.

I suppose those incidents are also caused by G-men planting thermite at accident scenes?

I know nothing about melting steel, and neither do you. These are top experts in the film.

 

[PapaG]

PapaG is 100% conservative, here to defend whatever system he by chance finds himself randomly born into.

Strawman. Being conservative, moderate, or liberal has nothing with calling out kooks as kooks.

Besides, it's well-known that I'm not "100% conservative", you liar.

He makes me believe the protestations of Denny and Maxiep that mixing in some Libertarianism makes you a horse of a different color. His presence makes them look good. I appreciate them more because of him.

That's really neat. I'm glad you got that off of your chest. I'm as liberal as they come on social issues, yet obviously you are too stuck in your own world to actually read posts over the years, and instead make foolish claims about posters you don't know.

Of course, nothing you said combats anything I posted, so as usual, you just go straight to the personal attack without even bothering to try and explain how steel gets melted/twisted/misshapen in fires caused by gasoline.

 

[PapaG]

I missed the Oakland bridge fire in that comedy film that was linked by the OP.

But for the conspiracy theory to work, you have to dismiss any statements made by any official or independent agency, because they could all be part of the conspiracy. The only figures considered reliable are those which differ significantly from official reports. Even expert Rosie O'Donnell told us "It's the first time in history that fire has melted steel."

But then, on April 29, 2007, fire melted steel for the second time in history. A freeway accident occurred in Oakland, California that made us all take a second look. A tanker truck carrying 8,600 gallons of gasoline lost control and crashed on an elevated underpass in the Macarthur Maze, a knot of converging freeway ramps taking cars from the 24, 80, 580, 880, and 980 freeways and funneling them into the San Francisco - Oakland Bay Bridge toll plaza. The fuel exploded into flames and burned fiercely for several hours, but it only took minutes for the span above the flames to collapse and fall onto the span below. The director of Cal Trans, the California state transportation authority, said the heat from the fire had melted the steel girders and bolts that support the concrete roadway. He said "If you have that kind of heat, you're going to have this kind of reaction. We're not surprised this happened."

 

[PapaG]

According to the American Institute of Steel Construction, "Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F, and at 1800°F it is probably less than 10 percent." Even the lowest end of the temperatures inside the fire were way hotter than the hottest temperatures at which the steel trusses could have maintained integrity.

But let's listen to a biologist talk about forensics.

 

[ABM]

OK, 9-11 was an inside job.

Next.

 

[jlprk]

But let's listen to a biologist talk about forensics.

Better than listening to you. She's one of a thousand there, not one of their main people. She's spent many years doing engineering on the side.

As for the truck under the bridge, I'm not an expert like you, but I'm guessing that the fuel it carried burns higher than steel's 2700 degrees, instead of jet fuel's 850 degrees.

 

[PapaG]

Better than listening to you. She's one of a thousand there, not one of their main people. She's spent many years doing engineering on the side.

As for the truck under the bridge, I'm not an expert like you, but I'm guessing that the fuel it carried burns higher than steel's 2700 degrees, instead of jet fuel's 850 degrees.

You're guessing wrong. Nothing out of the norm for you.

 

[PapaG]

OK, 9-11 was an inside job.

Next.

Good point.

I'm convinced. Bush planned 9/11 with the neo-con Zionists in order to start wars in the Middle East. That movie convinced me.

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