PCC "Whiteness History Month"

[Sinobas]

I, by the way, do have a 4 year degree, so I'm speaking from experience. I had to take so many lame courses. And I wasn't really prepared for the field I went into. I've learned almost everything on the fly!

 

[jlprk]

I, by the way, do have a 4 year degree, so I'm speaking from experience. I had to take so many lame courses. And I wasn't really prepared for the field I went into. I've learned almost everything on the fly!

Online, or Bible college? What was your major? Taking 4 years to get an A.A. doesn't count.

 

[Sinobas]

Online, or Bible college? What was your major? Taking 4 years to get an A.A. doesn't count.

Oh, you're quite the masterbaiter aren't you?

 

[jlprk]

No really, what was your major? Mine was accounting, just so I don't sound like I want info without giving any myself.

 

[Further]

The problem is though, the way society is set up now, you do need that "piece of paper". You could self-educate yourself in many of these things, and come out being much more skilled/knowledgable than someone who got the $80,000 piece of paper, but companies won't hire you unless you have experience. Kids should be getting their "general studies" done in HS. College should be about focusing on your skill and doing appreticeships.

I have all sorts of interests, geography, physics, history...and I can learn about them whenever I want to by buying a used text book for $15 bucks and watching documentaries or lectures posted online. If you want to learn about something it's easy to do, it doesn't need to be through a university.

College is for the experience as much or more than for getting a job. And great jobs can be obtained via hard work instead of study. My brother-in-law never went past high school but is super geeked by tech. His parents were broke and abusive. He now has a wonderful family and makes more than $250,000/year. But, he is the exception. I know plenty of people who have doctorates and make $80K and a few that make many times that. A lot has to do with priorities and ones willingness to work like a whore doing stuff they don't enjoy. One of my best friends hates his job as a very successful financial advisor but has kids and is happy to go through shit to support his family. He is hoping to have enough to retire by 55, but that's going to be difficult as long as he keeps living according to his means.

I have two degrees, one in Business Administration and the other in Biology. I hated business and enjoyed science for a while but tired of it. I have never made a lot of money, but I've been comfortable for the past decade. I am back in school, learning a new craft, but it's not a waste of my past education. I have one life, I plan to keep it interesting.

Learning the info from a book, online or in college can all be a waste or a gem depending on how devoted you are to the apprehension of the knowledge and depending on how much long term pleasure you derive from that method. Personally, I could read all sorts of books about winemaking and get an entry-level job as a cellar hand at some winery and at the end of a couple years probably be in a similar position in the job market. But this has been the best fucking year of my adulthood, and I would have missed out on all the wonderful aspects that are intrinsically tied to being in school. The friends you make, the connections you make, the experiences you garner, the success you experience and the defeats you overcome. Yes, this is a trade school which you are advocating for, but all the same could apply to regular college programs too, especially in fields I'm not currently interested in.

The trick that I'm learning, regardless of if it's via online, CC, college or beyond is to make the day to day aspects of your decisions something to cherish. It's so easy to feel overworked, underpaid, unappreciated, undervalued, and those may all be true, but if you can find a way to harness some no-shit real ass pride and joy from that same work, then your life becomes great. I spent all day today doing bottling for a local winery, it tiring, physical work, and I did it just to help out some winemakers I know who are eeking by. All the people helping today (bottling is a 1 or 2 day a year gig) did it for free just to help out. At the end of the day, as a thank you, they gave me 9 bottles of wine. But I had a smile the whole day. I found joy in helping, I found pride in working, I found respect in going home tired and I made new friends and strengthened existing friendships by working my ass off today. And tomorrow, I'll be in class all day. On thursday I'll be in class some of the day and helping with some vineyard work in the afternoon. And once again, on my weekend I'll be working both days and studying for tests. And loving all of it. Go to CC, College or start your own food cart, just fucking enjoy the hard work.

 

[MarAzul]

If you want to learn about something it's easy to do, it doesn't need to be through a university

You are correct, but actually you can use a university rather cheaply by using their library services. Say you want to study a field like Agriculture. Go to the library and ask for all the books involved in getting a degree in Agriculture. They will give you their list, then you can buy them there or where ever you can find them the least costly.
I did the Ag thing at UC Davis, and Naval Architecture at the US Coast Guard Academy. I just bought the books at the same time from Davis. The Naval Architecture took years to assemble all the books but far more than the school uses.

One can do the study then go get the degree if you need, ought to be able to do it much faster and less costly. With the internet making information so much easier to get, Universities are questionable use of time and money in my view. The best classes I ever had were not in the Universities, the navy class for Fire Control was developed at MIT and taught by Fire Controlman. It was like drinking from a fire hose, but and outstanding class. The other great class was IBM's management school, sequestered away, out in a private village in the Connecticut countryside. Again intense 14 hour days for about eight weeks. The point here is, not paying for this classes except in time, the employer footing the bill.

 

[ripcityboy]

They should teach The Ghenghis Khan Gene Theory in college (not this shit.) That would be a little more profound to teens than any ideas or grand notions of racial identification....

"You mean that guy carried the genetic profile of over a billion people IN HIS NUTS!!!!" Wow! This IS worth a lifetime of manufactured debt!"

"Sure is."

"I feel the NEED to pillage baby."


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[riverman]

The problem is though, the way society is set up now, you do need that "piece of paper". You could self-educate yourself in many of these things, and come out being much more skilled/knowledgable than someone who got the $80,000 piece of paper, but companies won't hire you unless you have experience. Kids should be getting their "general studies" done in HS. College should be about focusing on your skill and doing appreticeships.

I have all sorts of interests, geography, physics, history...and I can learn about them whenever I want to by buying a used text book for $15 bucks and watching documentaries or lectures posted online. If you want to learn about something it's easy to do, it doesn't need to be through a university.

A degree is like a driver's license. You don't have to get one but if you have one, you'll compete in the job market against folks who can't drive and if that fails, you can put together a string of 24 week syllabus programs and shop around for a teaching position. Easier to teach when you're 50 than to frame houses.

 

[MarAzul]

Easier to teach when you're 50 than to frame houses.

They you go again! I always get this stuff backward! Before I was 50, I hired my houses framed. Didn't do my first one on my own until I was well over 50.
Geez! How long does it take to get it right?

 

[riverman]

I, by the way, do have a 4 year degree, so I'm speaking from experience. I had to take so many lame courses. And I wasn't really prepared for the field I went into. I've learned almost everything on the fly!

I'm going on 62 and still learn all the time. Proud holder of a library card. My parents grew up in the great depression.. Dad became a successful businessman and dairy farmer with an 8th grade education. He accumulated more knowledge in his life than I probably ever will. Whatever gives you joy in life, that's the path. I taught English to the president of a bank overseas for awhile and he hated his life...all he ever wanted to do was be a chef. Now he owns a restaurant

 

[riverman]

They you go again! I always get this stuff backward! Before I was 50, I hired my houses framed. Didn't do my first one on my own until I was well over 50.
Geez! How long does it take to get it right?

I love building stuff but at my age, sure have slowed down..my endless deck and porch project is taking years to complete but when it's all done, I did it all myself...legacy for children and theirs as well. When I retire in a few years completely I'd like to build instruments..bench work.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You crackaz aren't allowed to comment anymore. :MARIS61:

 

[MarAzul]

I have two degrees

I have a MS in Computer Architecture from MIT. It was awarded to me at the end of a joint project we did in the 60s. Before anyone ever heard of a Computer Science degree.
As sort of a lark one day, I applied for a job here in Coos County that was listed as requiring a CS degree. They asked me with a cocked eye, do you have a Computer Science degree?
Well anyway they rejected mine, it was the only time I ever tried to use it, didn't get to show it (actually can't even find it). I secretly think they wanted someone younger.

 

[MarAzul]

I love building stuff but at my age, sure have slowed down..my endless deck and porch project is taking years to complete but when it's all done, I did it all myself...legacy for children and theirs as well. When I retire in a few years completely I'd like to build instruments..bench work.

The Boat probably is it for me. Although if I get tired of it, I might take on building a car, an hybrid diesel electric. Really simple, to get about town locally, and perhaps go as far as Coos Bay.
I think I can make on go close to 100 miles per gallon. Might give it a go.

 

[MarAzul]

crackaz

Psst!

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

You crackaz aren't allowed to comment anymore. :MARIS61:

 

[Spud147]

The problem is though, the way society is set up now, you do need that "piece of paper". You could self-educate yourself in many of these things, and come out being much more skilled/knowledgable than someone who got the $80,000 piece of paper, but companies won't hire you unless you have experience. Kids should be getting their "general studies" done in HS. College should be about focusing on your skill and doing appreticeships.

I have all sorts of interests, geography, physics, history...and I can learn about them whenever I want to by buying a used text book for $15 bucks and watching documentaries or lectures posted online. If you want to learn about something it's easy to do, it doesn't need to be through a university.

That is so true... I have a degree in Human Resources and have never used it but I know I wouldn't have even gotten an interview to be a claims adjuster without it. The company I work for will promote people in clerical positions to adjuster positions from inside but it seems to take a whole lot longer than a 4 year degree and there's no guarantee they're ever going to do it. It was about a $40,000 foot in the door but it did lead to a really nice job/company.

 

[Further]

I have a MS in Computer Architecture from MIT. It was awarded to me at the end of a joint project we did in the 60s. Before anyone ever heard of a Computer Science degree.
As sort of a lark one day, I applied for a job here in Coos County that was listed as requiring a CS degree. They asked me with a cocked eye, do you have a Computer Science degree?
Well anyway they rejected mine, it was the only time I ever tried to use it, didn't get to show it (actually can't even find it). I secretly think they wanted someone younger.

It makes no sense sometimes. At one point i sent out about 40 resumes with almost no interest. Then left for a few weeks of vacation around Christmas. When I returned I sent out a dozen more resumes and got offered interviews for all the positions and ended up with multiple job offers. Same resume, same cover letter. Who knows if it was timing, random, or what.

As far as degrees go, up until recently all my jobs in the past decade required a minimum of my degree to get be hired. Now I'm back in school for a career where nobody gives a shit about degrees. I think i must be an idiot.

 

[ripcityboy]

It makes no sense sometimes. At one point i sent out about 40 resumes with almost no interest. Then left for a few weeks of vacation around Christmas. When I returned I sent out a dozen more resumes and got offered interviews for all the positions and ended up with multiple job offers. Same resume, same cover letter. Who knows if it was timing, random, or what.

As far as degrees go, up until recently all my jobs in the past decade required a minimum of my degree to get be hired. Now I'm back in school for a career where nobody gives a shit about degrees. I think i must be an idiot.

A lot of my family are educators and I keep suggesting to them that we should have an apprenticeship/internship program for high schoolers today. That even if teenagers don't want to go to college (and let's face it, why would they) Get employers on board and get these kids some hard skills they can fall back on. Carpentry, welding, roofing, hell I don't know. And do it while they are still in high school. But my educator relatives say that there is no way the government or potential employers would EVER go for that. You know, my own lack of upward mobility doesn't bother me. Sh-t. At least my generation had some options. But I see my friends' kids and they've got no hope. They've been lied too and left hanging in a system that offers no real solutions for a future. That breaks my heart.

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