People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year

[oldfisherman]

Man, some gun owners see bogeymen behind every tree when they feel their right to unfettered and wide open gun ownership is threatened, and even when it isn't.

You are correct, I do see bogeymen many place others do not. But for a very good reason.

I spent over two decades fighting a war against the anti-people. I attended many hearings and gave testimony. Most of all, I watched the anti-people. I learned how they think, the tricks they use to deceive people, and how they keep feeding people miss-information until enough honest people start repeating it. How they change the subject with blue herring topics when cornered to give supporting evidence to their faulty claims. Worst of all, how some of them pretend to be something they are not to deceive people into believing them. I learned to identify the warning signs of a potential threat.

Example. About 5-6 years ago, a person who was an active member of the Oregon Fishing Guide Association kept giving public testimony in support of forever closing very large areas of the ocean to fishing. Since he was known as a small time river guide, and not having the proper equipment or knowledge to fish the ocean, and his view was opposite of the vast majority of fishermen and guides, something smelled fishy.

Thanks to the government regulations that require all non-profits to publicly report all employees receiving a salary over $50,000, we found him. He was a full time employee of a large fund that supports anti-fishing agendas and groups. His real job was to close fishing, using the part time fishing guide work as a cover to make him appear to be a legitimate sportsman at hearings.

So when someone that claims to be with a fishing or hunting related group, but starts feeding out the same miss-information the anti sport groups are using, I pay attention, and try to figure out who they really are.

The anti people have infiltrated every fishing, hunting, and gun organization. Many anti’s now work for the state and federal agencies that regulate fishing, hunting and gun issues. Wake up and get active in the fight if you want to keep your hunting, fishing and gun privileges and rights.

 

[Natebishop3]

One of the main points the anti-gun/hunter groups is using to gain public support to take away our guns is saying the need to own guns is much less than in the past. They claim that in the past people needed guns to survive, which they did not, or none of us would be here today. That is my beef with NB3, he sounds just like an anti-gun activist and using their exact message. They are trying to re-write history.

The reason this point is important to the anti-gun activists is if they can convince enough people that the need for guns to survive no long exists, the need to own guns no longer exists.

Many people already put their blind trust into believing that law enforcement agencies will provide the necessary protection that they believe makes owning guns for home protection unnecessary.

It is a two front assault by the anti-gun activists trying to convince people that guns are no longer necessary.


BTW. The rare times in the past there were an actual need for a gun to survive was the very few times people explored new territories to their own culture, and only during the exploring part of their lives. I will agree the number of calories required to feed the Lewis & Clark expedition was enormous. A lot of their food did come from Indians through trading. However, using guns to harvest meat at long ranges did make their expedition cover more ground quicker. The game animals at that time were not afraid of people at long ranges, until they learned what a gun can do. Even many of the early mountain trappers lived with local tribes and attended rendezvous for food support. Not many people, if any, have survived for a long period by living off of only a gun.

Except you completely misunderstand the point of having the 2nd amendment. It isn't about hunting. It's about protecting this country from a tyrannical government. That's the primary reason for keeping the public armed. That reason has not changed. It still remains the same as it did when they wrote the Bill of Rights in 1789, and I firmly believe in that right.

With that said, my point was the the main reason why a lot of people own guns has nothing to do with hunting, or even protecting themselves from the government. They buy guns because they think they're cool, or maybe they think they need protection from other people. I can't pretend to know the reason why every single person buys a gun. My concern is that more and more people are purchasing firearms with no training, no respect for the tool, and no concept of what it's like to end a life. Whether that life is a person or an animal, like a deer. They don't appreciate what it's like to use a gun on something other than paper, and now we see more and more stories of people not respecting the firepower of a gun, and what can happen when it falls into the hands of a child. THAT was my point. There's a lot of gun owners who treat it like a toy, and I feel like this is a relatively new problem.

 

[MarAzul]

miss-information until enough honest people start repeating it.

We are there now, standard practice and it is surprising to find so many have taken the message as their own. The surprising thing is, that most of them took out a student loan to get the message.

 

[Natebishop3]

We are there now, standard practice and it is surprising to find so many have taken the message as their own. The surprising thing is, that most of them took out a student loan to get the message.

Your generation told my generation that we couldn't get a good job without a college education.

Unfortunately we believed you.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

#babieskillpeople

 

[PDXFonz]

#babieskillpeople

They should use this at freedom to choose rallies.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

#babieskillpeople

#killerbabiesmatter

 

[MarAzul]

Your generation told my generation that we couldn't get a good job without a college education.

Unfortunately we believed you.

Yep! And I admit, I went along with the shame for awhile. But then most of us had no clue the sort of crap you all would be taught. What an eye opener!
To have your kid come home and try to teach us the message!!! Holy hell, I paid for this???

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Yep! And I admit, I went along with the shame for awhile. But then most of us had no clue the sort of crap you all would be taught. What an eye opener!
To have your kid come home and try to teach us the message!!! Holy hell, I paid for this???

Let me get this straight. You eschewed formal education because you felt you didn't need it. You could teach yourself through books. By doing this you purposely bypassed the social portion of the process. And then you turn around and sell kids (maybe your own?) on the idea they need the formal education that you know nothing about and have made no effort to educate....ironic word....yourself on? And then you express surprise and disappointment at the results? Is that about right.....?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Let me get this straight. You eschewed formal education because you felt you didn't need it. You could teach yourself through books. By doing this you purposely bypassed the social portion of the process. And then you turn around and sell kids (maybe your own?) on the idea they need the formal education that you know nothing about and have made no effort to educate....ironic word....yourself on? And then you express surprise and disappointment at the results? Is that about right.....?

 

[MarAzul]

Let me get this straight. You eschewed formal education because you felt you didn't need it. You could teach yourself through books. By doing this you purposely bypassed the social portion of the process. And then you turn around and sell kids (maybe your own?) on the idea they need the formal education that you know nothing about and have made no effort to educate....ironic word....yourself on? And then you express surprise and disappointment at the results? Is that about right.....?

Not quite. I attended a number of schools at different times, including UC. Both my kids went to UC Berkley. The School became an entirely different place in the 25 - 28 years between us.

 

[MARIS61]

I don't even understand how this happens... are people getting dumber or are we just hearing about things more because of the internet?

We have had guns in this country for hundreds of years. It's not a new invention and it wasn't recently introduced to the public. I genuinely think people are getting dumber.

I've Been around guns all my life as have most people I know. None of us has been shotbyatot, nor have I ever heard of it from anyone personally. Probably never really happens.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Probably never really happens.

Cops: S.C. toddler finds gun; shoots grandmother in back

October 12, 2015

ROCK HILL, S.C. -- Police say a 2-year-old South Carolina boy found a gun in the car he was riding in and shot his grandmother in the back.

Authorities were trying to determine Monday whether to file charges against the woman's sister, who owns the gun. The sister was driving the car with her great-nephew in the backseat and the child's grandmother in the passenger seat when the shooting happened, reports CBS affiliate WBTV.

The boy found a .357 revolver in the pouch on the back of the front seat and fired the weapon accidentally, striking his grandmother through the passenger seat while the car was traveling through a stop light, reports the station.

Rock Hill police Capt. Mark Bollinger said the 40-year-old woman is expected to survive.

Investigators are trying to determine whether the child was in a car seat or if any gun laws were violated.

Police didn't release the names of the child or the women.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-south-carolina-toddler-finds-gun-shoots-grandmother-in-back/

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Probably never really happens.

Toddler who fatally shot himself ID'd

August 26, 2015

NORTH ST. LOUIS COUNTY, Mo. – A toddler is dead in north St. Louis County after police say he accidentally shot himself.

St. Louis County Police said 21-month-old Carter Epps picked up a loaded handgun, and was shot in the torso area. His mother took him to the emergency room at SSM Health St. Mary's Hospital. The child was pronounced dead at the hospital.

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/2015/08/25/child-shot-killed-north-county/32343949/

 

[magnifier661]

Mags, what is Trump's position on Toddler walls?

Turtle

 

[MarAzul]

Toddler who fatally shot himself ID'd

August 26, 2015

NORTH ST. LOUIS COUNTY, Mo. – A toddler is dead in north St. Louis County after police say he accidentally shot himself.

St. Louis County Police said 21-month-old Carter Epps picked up a loaded handgun, and was shot in the torso area. His mother took him to the emergency room at SSM Health St. Mary's Hospital. The child was pronounced dead at the hospital.

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/2015/08/25/child-shot-killed-north-county/32343949/

I don't buy this as a gun story. More like infantcide of the kids they forgot to abort.

First off a toddler can't get a revolver to discharge unless someone set it up for him, cocked the hammer back and lay it down for the kid to find.

Same with and auto which you don't normally have a round chambered so how did the kid get one in there?

These yarns are not accidents.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

I wish people would educate their kids early about firearms. Take your kids favorite toy to the range and shoot it. Let him/her cry. And explain to them that that could be someone they loved if they ever fuck with a gun.

Now quit being an ass hole and buy them a new one. Sure it's traumatic, that's why it works.

That said natural selection is a good thing. If you are dumb enough to let a toddler touch a gun let a lone a loaded gun you deserve to be shot by them.

 

[Denny Crane]

Two toddlers a day die from drowning in swimming pools.

Ban swimming pools.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

There was a local dude here a while ago, bought himself a gun for his 21st birthday. Started taking selfies and shit for facebook. Sets gun down and parties for a while. Comes back to show gun to friends, puts it to head and pulls trigger forgetting it was loaded. Kills self. Why should someone take my gun because he is a moron? He took himself from the gene pool, if anything the gun should be given a reward for not jamming.

 

[julius]

I don't even understand how this happens... are people getting dumber or are we just hearing about things more because of the internet?

We have had guns in this country for hundreds of years. It's not a new invention and it wasn't recently introduced to the public. I genuinely think people are getting dumber.

Well this thread was fun to read. People arguing against each other with words or beliefs they didn't say..

Anyway, I agree with Nate here. People don't respect guns. We (the nation as a whole) have glorified guns in the last 15-20 years, and don't seem to understand that guns are serious shit.

This in no way was meant to be a sly or barfo type sarcastic response. I'm 100% serious. I had a friend of mine who grew up with a gun safe in his house. And one day I was over at his house, and he (my friend) wanted to show me one of them so I said sure. Not realizing that it wasn't OK with his dad, he got the gun out. When his dad found out, he laid into him (and me) about how guns aren't for fun or "show n tell".

I think now guns are being made into show n tell AND people are just buying more and more of them (because certain groups are telling them they need to, for a variety of reasons).

I mean wait..NATE BISHOP WHY DO YOU HATE GUNS! YOU ARE AN ANTI-GUN NUT!

 

[rasheedfan2005]

This thread reminds me im buying a deer rifle at the end of next week. Probably a rem 700 .270 but I might go bigger cause 'merica

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

One of the main points the anti-gun/hunter groups is using to gain public support to take away our guns is saying the need to own guns is much less than in the past. They claim that in the past people needed guns to survive, which they did not, or none of us would be here today. That is my beef with NB3, he sounds just like an anti-gun activist and using their exact message. They are trying to re-write history.

The reason this point is important to the anti-gun activists is if they can convince enough people that the need for guns to survive no long exists, the need to own guns no longer exists.

Many people already put their blind trust into believing that law enforcement agencies will provide the necessary protection that they believe makes owning guns for home protection unnecessary.

It is a two front assault by the anti-gun activists trying to convince people that guns are no longer necessary.


BTW. The rare times in the past there were an actual need for a gun to survive was the very few times people explored new territories to their own culture, and only during the exploring part of their lives. I will agree the number of calories required to feed the Lewis & Clark expedition was enormous. A lot of their food did come from Indians through trading. However, using guns to harvest meat at long ranges did make their expedition cover more ground quicker. The game animals at that time were not afraid of people at long ranges, until they learned what a gun can do. Even many of the early mountain trappers lived with local tribes and attended rendezvous for food support. Not many people, if any, have survived for a long period by living off of only a gun.

You keep saying one of the main points the anti gun people use to take guns is that we don't need them to survive. Then you say that we don't.

Not sure what your point is.

That they are right?

 

[Natebishop3]

Well this thread was fun to read. People arguing against each other with words or beliefs they didn't say..

Anyway, I agree with Nate here. People don't respect guns. We (the nation as a whole) have glorified guns in the last 15-20 years, and don't seem to understand that guns are serious shit.

This in no way was meant to be a sly or barfo type sarcastic response. I'm 100% serious. I had a friend of mine who grew up with a gun safe in his house. And one day I was over at his house, and he (my friend) wanted to show me one of them so I said sure. Not realizing that it wasn't OK with his dad, he got the gun out. When his dad found out, he laid into him (and me) about how guns aren't for fun or "show n tell".

I think now guns are being made into show n tell AND people are just buying more and more of them (because certain groups are telling them they need to, for a variety of reasons).

I mean wait..NATE BISHOP WHY DO YOU HATE GUNS! YOU ARE AN ANTI-GUN NUT!

Never before have we seen the level of customization and training available to the general public. Magpul went from a relatively unknown company to an industry standard for AR parts and accessories. They also released videos that provided training that the general public was never really able to get their hands on. Cool optic, cool lasers, cool vests/chest rigs/etc. You can buy suppressors (with the right federal stamp), you can make your AR into a short barreled rifle (with the right federal stamp.) There's so much you can do to your gun now, and then take it out and show it off. They've become almost like cars or motorcycles to an extent, in that people like to make them their own and then show them off to their friends. The gun industry is definitely evolving.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

You know the ultimate irony? After all the recent college shootings im buying my deer rifle with a surprise refund check I got from college yesterday!

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Two toddlers a day die from drowning in swimming pools.

Ban swimming pools.

My hashtag still applies in this case.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

You know the ultimate irony? After all the recent college shootings im buying my deer rifle with a surprise refund check I got from college yesterday!

The ultimate irony is when your future baby shoots you with it.

 

[MarAzul]

Probably a rem 700 .270 but I might go bigger cause 'merica

The .270 is nice weapon. Perhaps not right for Brown Bear, but I never wanted to shoot one of those anyway.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

The ultimate irony is when your future baby shoots you with it.

Even more hard to believe is me getting laid to make that baby

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Even more hard to believe is me getting laid to make that baby

That's what makes it the ultimate irony.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

That's what makes it the ultimate irony.

I tried but sly's DNA wont mix with my human seed