Per Canzano: Roy's insurance covers everything but...

[SlyPokerDog]

According to Canzano the insurance on Roy's contract covers everything except knee problems making him virtually untradeable.

 

[XXPrimusXX]

Why would we want to trade Brandon Roy?

 

[RoyToy]

I would need to see proof because that doesn't make sense.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Why would we want to trade Brandon Roy?

According to Canzano if "The Vulcans" want to show the fans that they are really serious about winning they would make a move that would shake up the roster.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Fuck, that's so stupid.

 

[XXPrimusXX]

According to Canzano if "The Vulcans" want to show the fans that they are really serious about winning they would make a move that would shake up the roster.

Yeah, start with your 3 time All-Star, good idea...

 

[Reep]

Brandon Roy is untradeable regardless of what his insurance pays. I assume you are looking at him as an expiring contract if the insurance did cover the knee?

 

[Nikolokolus]

I would need to see proof because that doesn't make sense.

What doesn't make sense? His knees are uninsured for the same reason you can't buy flood insurance in the Ninth Ward in New Orleans. Insurer's are in the money making business, not the money spending business.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Now I really wish he would medically retire.

We're now paying superstar money for a part-time player who's nowhere near the level he once was.

 

[MickZagger]

Is there any possibility of re-structuring his contract? Roy seems like a guy who would do that kind of thing for the betterment of the team.

 

[handiman]

Is there any possibility of re-structuring his contract? Roy seems like a guy who would do that kind of thing for the betterment of the team.

I don't see that at all. He's team-first ... as long as that also means Roy-first. I've never seen anything from him to indicate otherwise.

 

[MickZagger]

I don't see that at all. He's team-first ... as long as that also means Roy-first. I've never seen anything from him to indicate otherwise.

I think of him as a competitive guy who thinks he's the best. But, he still seems like a team-guy to me. Its a long shot, but maybe worth a try.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I wonder if it is chronic knee pain that isn't covered. I find it hard to believe if Brandon blew his knee out during a game that it wouldn't be covered.

Heck if I'm an insurnace company, I make all policies to not cover knee injuries.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Can you offer Roy a front desk job if he retires . . . with the same pay of course.

 

[Natebishop3]

What would you get insurance that doesn't cover his knees?

 

[MARIS61]

Is there any possibility of re-structuring his contract? Roy seems like a guy who would do that kind of thing for the betterment of the team.

That's a riot.

Since day one he's refused to change his game or learn new tricks or come off the bench or even just STFU and do what his coach tells him.

But he'd voluntarily donate his own $ to the club's billionaire owner?

 

[MARIS61]

I wonder if it is chronic knee pain that isn't covered. I find it hard to believe if Brandon blew his knee out during a game that it wouldn't be covered.

Heck if I'm an insurnace company, I make all policies to not cover knee injuries.

Brandon had bad knees before we drafted him and it likely showed up in the insurance physical.

 

[MARIS61]

As for him being "virtually untradeable" that's ridiculous.

Fantasy Basketball owners in many leagues have traded him already, and I'll certainly field offers for him on my Yahoo team.

 

[Minstrel]

I think of him as a competitive guy who thinks he's the best. But, he still seems like a team-guy to me. Its a long shot, but maybe worth a try.

There are very few "team guys" who put the team ahead of their own financial interests. And it usually happens after they've made tens of millions, like Tim Duncan.

Nothing I've seen suggests that Roy is such a rarity in terms of how he values the money he's paid. And that's fine...I wouldn't expect him to give any of it back.

 

[BGrantFan]

Is there any possibility of re-structuring his contract? Roy seems like a guy who would do that kind of thing for the betterment of the team.

No. The present CBA doesn't allow it until after the 3rd year, and if it did, the players' union certainly wouldn't allow it. Plus, it can't be diminished in terms of money.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#52

52. Can existing contracts be renegotiated?

A contract for four or more seasons can be renegotiated after the third anniversary of its signing, extension, or renegotiation that increased any season's salary by more than 8%. Contracts for fewer than four seasons cannot be renegotiated. A contract cannot be renegotiated between March 1 and June 30 of any year. Only teams under the cap can renegotiate a contract, and the salary in the then-current season can be increased only to the extent that the team has room under the cap. Raises in subsequent years are limited to 10.5% of the salary in the first renegotiated season. The renegotiation may not contain a signing bonus. Contracts cannot be renegotiated downward (players can't take a "pay cut" in order to create salary cap room for the team) or to contain fewer seasons.
Again, a team over the salary cap cannot renegotiate a contract. An interesting case of this was Shawn Kemp with the Sonics. Kemp, who was unhappy with his contract and wanted to renegotiate, could not get a larger contract from the Sonics because they were over the cap. Kemp forced a trade to Cleveland, who was far enough under the cap at the time to give him the large contract he wanted. Kemp's contract was renegotiated soon after the trade.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Yeah, start with your 3 time All-Star, good idea...

Who cares what Roy used to be? All that matters is his value going forward.

 

[Ed O]

Who cares what Roy used to be? All that matters is his value going forward.

That is absolutely true. You beat me to it.

I won't add that it means we should trade him. Just that we should not FAIL to trade him because of what he's done in the past.

Ed O.

 

[XXPrimusXX]

Who cares what Roy used to be? All that matters is his value going forward.

I do. He had that ability, and still does. Just because he's banged up doesn't mean he'll never play at an All Star level again.

 

[Chuck Taylor]

We rewarded the guy with a max deal knowing full well what the status of his knees & insurance were. If we thought it was a good idea to sign him despite those red flags, I would assume we aren't planning on trading him anytime soon, which is why I think the lack of insurance thing is being overblown.

 

[RedHotRollin]

Is there any possibility of re-structuring his contract? Roy seems like a guy who would do that kind of thing for the betterment of the team.

No he doesn't

 

[Natebishop3]

I do. He had that ability, and still does. Just because he's banged up doesn't mean he'll never play at an All Star level again.

I think his knee problems go beyond being "banged up". If he's incapable of playing at the same level that we are accustomed, why wouldn't we look to trade him?

 

[XXPrimusXX]

I think his knee problems go beyond being "banged up". If he's incapable of playing at the same level that we are accustomed, why wouldn't we look to trade him?

I guess time will tell. But that's the irony, people are ready to blow it up after 20 games. Unbelievable.

 

[hasoos]

And now you know one of the many reasons why KP was fired, and now the organization has to clean up his mess.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

And now you know one of the many reasons why KP was fired, and now the organization has to clean up his mess.

Calm waters.

 

[RR7]

And now you know one of the many reasons why KP was fired, and now the organization has to clean up his mess.

Management ultimately signs off on the contract. If they didn't like it, then don't sign it. Most in here were up in arms when he wasn't getting 5 years at max money. So don't go now and say it's horrible, and shows KP should have been fired. As for the insurance, like was mentioned, why is this a surprise. It's not like management WOULDN'T want it covered. We'd also like Greg's knees covered in his next contract. That possible? Hell no.