Per Eggers: Blazers looking to move up in draft, take point guard

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I don't think Sac will let a PG fall past them. If we want Kemba, we gotta target WAS.

But reading some Raps forums, apparently, they would like a PG also. So it's hard to pinpoint exactly where Kemba will go. For all of KP's supposed faults, he knew how to predict a draft order and get HIS guy. Let's see if Chad can do the same.
 
I don't think Sac will let a PG fall past them. If we want Kemba, we gotta target WAS.

But reading some Raps forums, apparently, they would like a PG also. So it's hard to pinpoint exactly where Kemba will go. For all of KP's supposed faults, he knew how to predict a draft order and get HIS guy. Let's see if Chad can do the same.

I hope Chad can pick the right guy. Hindsight 20/20 majority of KP's pick are enormous duds.
 
Bayless sucks. We got equal worth for him. He is selfish from necessity, because he lacks court vision to locate pass receivers.

I turned against him in his first Summer League, when everyone thought he was so great for hogging the ball and preventing Koponen from showing anything.
 
Bayless always seemed like an arrogant asshole.. Not hard to believe he didn't have chemistry with his teammates.
 
I think that "what the Blazers will do" changes every time Paul Allen gets pissed at one of his lackeys.

Predicting anything about this dysfunctional corporate structure is pure conjecture.
 
Another angle on the whole Bayless thing.... I know for a fact that he HAD to go. Bad chemistry with everybody!!

The team was worse without Bayless. You can't pull out your inside info for players who left the team, HomerCP. You are probably the least credible person on the board, at least in terms of being able to give your true opinion.

You're a company man, Man!
 
The team was worse without Bayless. You can't pull out your inside info for players who left the team, HomerCP. You are probably the least credible person on the board, at least in terms of being able to give your true opinion.

You're a company man, Man!
That's the only time I CAN break the info. My boss is on here everyday and always hollers at me if I get too close to the edge!
 
I have always spoke my true feelings on here and have been called out by Wheelz, my boss and other people that know I'm on here and I work with. In fact 2 years ago when Greg went down, I went on here saying there was NO way we make the playoffs. On the team plane in front of Brandon, Wheelz called me out! Put me in a tough spot actually.
 
How reliable do people think Kemba's 3 point shot will be in the nba? Thats a big concern for me because a PG who can shoot the 3, and create there own shot like it seems like Kemba can, are hard to come by. I would rather have a pure point guard then a scoring PG. Unfortunately what we would have to trade to get up and grab knight is probably a pretty penny (Batum/Andre at least) for a player who i'm not sure can come in and contribute as a starter on a playoff team immediately. I really like Knight and think he will be a stud but I also think it will take some time for him to develop. Walker on the other hand seems like a fearless guy who could come in and run a team decently in his first season, but I have questions if he can shoot the NBA 3 reliably and if he could become more of a distributor then the shooter he was at uconn.
 
I have always spoke my true feelings on here and have been called out by Wheelz, my boss and other people that know I'm on here and I work with. In fact 2 years ago when Greg went down, I went on here saying there was NO way we make the playoffs. On the team plane in front of Brandon, Wheelz called me out! Put me in a tough spot actually.

All you have to say is that your account was hacked, and that your wiener is much larger than that anyway.

barfo
 
The team was worse without Bayless. You can't pull out your inside info for players who left the team, HomerCP. You are probably the least credible person on the board, at least in terms of being able to give your true opinion.

You're a company man, Man!

Yeah, it had nothing to do with Roy's knees and everything to do with Bayless.

If only the world was just black & white.
 
Trading Bayless was dumb (under Cho's watch) . . . but the ownership is shit for firing Cho?

Cho is dumb, PA (and all of front office) are idiot, Nate sucks, Roy sucks. Is there a Blazer you like?

If you think Cho traded Bayless then fine

If you think Miller and PA have made good basketball decisions then fine

If you think Nate and his playoff record is good then fine

If you think getting 1 good game out Roy for every 4 he plays then fine

I love Aldridge, Batum, Wallace and Oden when he plays. I like everyone else, but I'm not married to them like a lot of people in here seem to be. The Blazers, who I love, need to be better to win a title. If that means trading away someone I like then do it.

PA was stupid to hire Cho in the first place, but firing him after only 10 months is equally as stupid.
 
But can Kemba Walker dominate Summer League like Bayless?

Exactly which is the team that is in position to draft Walker and will give us the pick? He's not going 1 or 2. It's possible that Utah, the team that preferred Deron Williams to Chris Paul, could take him over Brandon Knight at 3. And there's no way he falls to Detroit at 8. So:

3. Utah [has Devin Harris, doesn't like him, so needs PG - likely to take Knight]
4. Cleveland [will this pick actually be Minnesota? Maybe we can get it by getting in the Cavs-Wolves trade]
5. Toronto [Bayless > Walker, right, so they don't need a PG...]
6. Washington [they need everything EXCEPT PG. Would they be interested in Batum?]
7. Sacramento [who knows? They supposedly fell in love with Knight, and, as was obvious to everybody, Tyreke Evans is not a PG. But Marcus Thornton played really well for them, so who do they need? Another team that might like Batum.]

Trade suggestions? I don't see any of these going for Andre Miller. Batum, perhaps, but then they could take a risk on Jan Vesely, who is very similar.
Best hope? Geoff Petrie gives us the #7 for a conditional second-round pick, gets himself fired, then is hired as our new GM in a covertly prearranged deal.

(I'm torn on Walker: I've never liked waterbugs, but Walker has balls of steel and these days the NBA is a lot kinder on tiny folk (see Barea, J.J.). On the other other hand, didn't Johnny Flynn used to be this player?)
 
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But can Kemba Walker dominate Summer League like Bayless?

Exactly which is the team that is in position to draft Walker and will give us the pick? He's not going 1 or 2. It's possible that Utah, the team that preferred Deron Williams to Chris Paul, could take him over Brandon Knight at 3. And there's no way he falls to Detroit at 8. So:
3. Utah
4. Cleveland
5. Toronto
6. Washington
7. Sacramento
Trade suggestions? I don't see any of these going for Andre Miller. Batum, perhaps, but then they could take a risk on Jan Vesely, who is very similar.
Best hope? Geoff Petrie gives us the #7 for a conditional second-round pick, gets himself fired, then is hired as our new GM in a covertly prearranged deal.

(I'm torn on Walker: I've never liked waterbugs, but Walker has balls of steel and these days the NBA is a lot kinder on tiny folk (see Barea, J.J.). On the other other hand, didn't Johnny Flynn used to be this player?)

yes Flynn was, and his rookie year was very good but an injury and the triangle offense killed him this year. I view Flynn like I did Conley a few years ago when he could have been had cheap and few here wanted him, a good talent who needs some time. Well there are never any guarantees that Flynn will blossom like Conley did, but you have to take chances in this business and "buying cheap" and taking a chance on a guy who does have talent IMO makes sense. I mean if it only costs us Rudy and change why the hell not?
 
Batum for #5 would be a great trade for Portland.....Assuming the guy the brass wants is there, and assuming they pick someone who can actually play.
 
Batum for #5 would be a great trade for Portland.....Assuming the guy the brass wants is there, and assuming they pick someone who can actually play.

Interesting, I realize they like us are only fans but several are amenable for Batum for the 5, some want the 21st as well, some say just straight up. Hmmmm, either Walker, Knight, or Kanter could be available at that the 5.
 
I think Kanter (4) and Knight (3) will both be gone by 5.
 
I think Kanter (4) and Knight (3) will both be gone by 5.

a question we should ask if we really considered this trade and went after Kemba - is he rally a better PG prospect then Flynn who could likely be had much, much cheaper. Flynn had a very good first yr and then this yr with his injury and the triangle was a disaster - I think it's a reasonable question to ask as I believe Kemba is somewhat similar to Flynn coming out of college (correct me if that assumption is wrong)?
 
I didn't watch Flynn in college much. The guy Kemba reminds me of is Jameer Nelson. But Kemba seems to have that clutch gene, and really good leadership skills. I don't like Flynn after watching his last two years in the NBA. Even his rookie year wasn't anything to write home about. Minny should have taken Curry. And his hip injury apparently might be chronic.
 
a question we should ask if we really considered this trade and went after Kemba - is he rally a better PG prospect then Flynn who could likely be had much, much cheaper. Flynn had a very good first yr and then this yr with his injury and the triangle was a disaster - I think it's a reasonable question to ask as I believe Kemba is somewhat similar to Flynn coming out of college (correct me if that assumption is wrong)?
Honestly, we could use both. Batum for Kemba and Rudy for Flynn. If I had to chose, like you I'd take the less expensive Rudy for Flynn deal.
 
Honestly, we could use both. Batum for Kemba and Rudy for Flynn. If I had to chose, like you I'd take the less expensive Rudy for Flynn deal.

the other choice is try to get Flynn for Rudy and and change and then beef up the front line and possibly use Batum or Wallace to do that - go for a big like Bismack or someone else at the 6 or 7 to 10 spot using Batum or Wallace?
 
Not always a bad thing. I wish Nic and Oden had that sort of arrogance and confidence in their games. Hell, LA just found it this year, and look at his transformation.
I really think LA had it from the time Roy went down and the time we got Wallace. Other than that he was pretty much the softy we know.
 
I'd love to see POR get Kemba Walker. I don't think the comparisons b\t him and Bayless are accurate at all.....
 
I'm glad we traded Bayless for the NO pick, it was good value then and I think it would be good value today.

I would like to undo the Bayless for Jack trade. Jack would be a valuable combo guard off the bench for us. At the time I thought the Jack trade was fine because we had Rudy coming over which would cause playing time issues. I liked the idea of taking a gamble on a Bayless talent. Bayless never came close to living up to the potential I thought he could have. He's a poor man's Ben Gordon without the long rang jumper.
 
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TOR fans discussing possible trade ideas: http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1117019

They seem to think Batum for the pick is decent. Nic is my fav player, but that is enticing.

Interesting thread. Most who are in favor of the deal also want some salary relief, specifically Calderon for Miller. Some suggested Camby for Bargs as well. I say do all of that. Batum/Miller/Camby for #5/Calderon/Bargnani. Walker @ 5. Faried @ 21. Lighty @ 51. Amnestize (should be a word) Roy. Hope for Oden to heal.

Walker/Calderon/Johnson
Matthews/Rudy/Williams
Wallace/Babbitt/Lighty
Aldridge/Faried
Oden/Bargnani/Johnson

Terrible?
 
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Weird Casey Holdhal comes out blasting this and then alleges that it was Geoff Petrie who leaked this?

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2011/...es-geoff-petrie-started-portland-kemba-walker

Honestly, this sounds to me like one of two things, either 1) Eggers actually got a scoop on the Blazers and once again in ham handed fashion they are trying to discredit it as a rumour....or 2) Holdhal just completely flipped out and started reaching for some pretty far fetched conclusions....

Either way, a really bad decision by Holdhal to post what he did....

Three weeks out from the 2011 NBA Draft and we've got our first real draft rumor involving the Trail Blazers. According to Kerry Eggers at the Portland Tribune, the team is looking to move up into the "top seven" in order to select 6-1 combo guard Kemba Walker. Eggers opines Andre Miller and the No. 21 pick might be the potential offer.

A couple things to consider.

First off, I can say with a fair amount of certainty that whoever this "league source" is, he isn't working for the Portland Trail Blazers (I asked a decision-maker in our front office this morning about the rumor that we're looking to move up. His reply: "We are?"). The team had already adopted a hush-hush approach to media relations under Rich Cho, and I would expect that to continue after Cho's dismissal. Perhaps even more so than before. And if by some chance the league source was a member of the Trail Blazers front office, you'd have to wonder why they would say such a thing at this stage in the process. Who tips their hand this early?

Here's my hunch. Eggers sets the top seven as the range in which a team would need to be in order to have an opportunity to acquire Walker. The Kings hold the seventh pick. Eggers is close (at least in journalistic terms) with Geoff Petrie, who played for the Trail Blazers and also served as the team's vice president of basketball operations. And what does Petrie do now? Sacramento Kings' president of basketball operations!

Also worth noting Eggers has mentioned Petrie numerous times as someone the Trail Blazers should strongly consider for their open general manager position. And to top it off, Chad Ford, who is about as plugged in as any journalist when it comes to the draft, has the Kings taking …. you guessed it, Kemba Walker!

Given that, I think there are some solid conclusions you draw regarding the location of said "league source."

But onto the actual meat of the rumor. Including Andre in any deal possess a cavalcade of issues for the Trail Blazers, first and foremost being such a move would leave the team without a starting point guard. You may think the world of Walker, Patty Mills and Armon Johnson, but you'd be hard-pressed to argue that any one of those three is ready to be a starting point guard for an NBA team with playoff aspirations. And even if one of those guys were able to take the reigns, who's the backup? I don't have the proof in front of me, but I'd wager the number of teams that have gone to the playoffs with a rookie/sophomore point guard tandem are few.

After LaMarcus Aldridge, no one had more to do with the successes the Trail Blazers experienced in 2010-11 than Andre Miller. Also worth pointing out that, after a bit of a rocky start, Miller has become one of the most beloved figures in the organization. Does that mean the Trail Blazers wouldn't consider making such a move? Not necessarily but, in my opinion, it makes such a move much less likely.

I know I say it every year, but It's worth repeating: lies and misinformation are the currency of the NBA Draft. Maybe this league source is putting out feelers because they want to drum up some interest in their pick, and using the Trail Blazers as a jumping off point makes sense because, as an organization, we're active during the draft. Adds to the plausibility. Or maybe it's an agent trying to preempt a draft day free fall, a fate not all that uncommon for undersized combo guards who commit the sin of spending more than one season in college. Or maybe the Trail Blazers love Kemba Walker and want the whole world to know, before they've even hosted a workout, that they've decided who their target is. One of those scenarios strikes me as much less plausible than the other two.

It's liars poker, and teams are just starting to ante up. There will be more reports claiming the team's intentions of moving up, down and out of the draft. Some might be true, others will be complete fabrications. The key for the Trail Blazers front office, and those fans out there whose blood pressure rises and falls with ever new rumor, will be deciphering fact from fiction. There still a lot of time to do that.

Oh, I almost forgot the most damning argument as to why we should be suspicious of this report: Mike Rice says Kemba Walker is going to be available at pick No. 21! No trade necessary.


and furthermore, his post trying to discredit the rumour makes ZERO sense, particularly if POR traded with TOR and got another veteran PG back (like Calderon)....or used the MLE on a guy like TJ Ford or possibly Aaron Brooks (restricted)....

What a weird series of events...

and BTW if any POR mgmt types ARE reading message boards then they might want to think about how reactions like this don't quell a rumour they spark it....If by any chance this was close to the truth, then the best way to handle it would have been by NOT reacting to it, ya think? maybe?
 

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