Perfect time to blow it up

[illmatic99]

What's the point of blowing it up? It's not like we'll ever land the stars necessary to win big anyway. I'd rather try to compete for 50 wins with a superstar on the roster and try to get lucky.

 

[riverman]

Now is not the time to blow it up...it's the time to build a core identity. I'm not getting younger...don't want to lose my Blazer fix for the next 5 years...if they blow it up, I'll have to find something else to enjoy in the world of sports...

 

[TBpup]

Now is not the time to blow it up...it's the time to build a core identity. I'm not getting younger...don't want to lose my Blazer fix for the next 5 years...if they blow it up, I'll have to find something else to enjoy in the world of sports...

I would submit that they wouldn't be any worse then they have been in the Playoff the last 2 years.

 

[illmatic99]

I would submit that they wouldn't be any worse then they have been in the Playoff the last 2 years.

I don't think you guys realize how hard it is to find someone like Dame. Both on the court and off it. He was just first team all nba and is loyal to the core and is on contract for 3 more years. Good luck finding and developing that in the draft.

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

All superstars are now in the Western Conference, no reason to continue this basketball purgatory any longer.

Let Nurkic go, trade Lillard and McCollum for as many picks as possible or young prospects, let Turner, Leonard and the other bad contracts expire and set the 2021/22 season as the season to start winning games.

There's literally no other direction better than this for this franchise, we should follow Philly's path, even if it will be rough in the first months/years.

This post/thread can go fuck itself.

 

[julius]

Funny, we should blow it up because they're not winning anytime soon, but by blowing it up, they won't be winning anytime soon.

Makes sense.

 

[illmatic99]

Funny, we should blow it up because they're not winning anytime soon, but by blowing it up, they won't be winning anytime soon.

Makes sense.

Logic is lost on people.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Now is not the time to blow it up...it's the time to build a core identity. I'm not getting younger...don't want to lose my Blazer fix for the next 5 years...if they blow it up, I'll have to find something else to enjoy in the world of sports...

The rebuild is inevitable... you will wait longer if you put this off 3 years... the assets you could get for Dame and CJ, combined with building around Zach, Nurk, and Simons should actually make it a pretty quick rebuild and set us up perfectly timeline wise with Warriors decline

 

[Sarni]

I dunno - Philly could probably use him. He can play at the PG position as a SG while Simmons handles the ball. Particularly if they're about to lose JJ Redick. If they offered a package including NW native Fultz and that Miami pick they just acquired off Phoenix....

Philly is now in direct competition with Boston, who beat them WITHOUT their two star FA acquisitions. So Philly needs to upgrade. (Of course, if they get Kawhi, then never mind.)

Fultz and Miami pick isn’t enough. If you add Saric, Zhaire Smith then maybe but that still feels short of his value. Thing is they will prefer to throw those assets at Spurs and get Kawhi.

 

[TBpup]

I don't think you guys realize how hard it is to find someone like Dame. Both on the court and off it. He was just first team all nba and is loyal to the core and is on contract for 3 more years. Good luck finding and developing that in the draft.

No one is saying it is easy to find someone like Dame. I'd ove to keep him but with where the franchise is and the cap restrictions Neil has brought them to, it's not really fair. If he is up to stay, would love to have him.

Funny, we should blow it up because they're not winning anytime soon, but by blowing it up, they won't be winning anytime soon.

Makes sense.

Or the logic is, since you're not winning either way, reset and get out of salary cap hell so in a few years, when you have might have a chance to compete again, your players aren't on the wetting side of 30.

Bigger picture.

 

[Sarni]

Lillard is borderline untradeable for me. Unless he asks for a trade we shouldn’t even entertain the idea of moving him.

He’s an intelligent man too. He knows we have no chance to compete now and will be patient for the next 2-3 years while we try to build a new team. Problem is we don’t seem very flexible in terms of reaching for young players to retool the team, we seem to not be willing to move too many of our rotation players.

 

[illmatic99]

Or the logic is, since you're not winning either way, reset and get out of salary cap hell so in a few years, when you have might have a chance to compete again, your players aren't on the wetting side of 30.

Bigger picture.

We can do that by 2020 as is just by letting contracts expire, or trade them in the summer of 19 to get value. Why are you so hellbent on saving Paul money now?

 

[Sarni]

We can do that by 2020 as is just by letting contracts expire, or trade them in the summer of 19 to get value. Why are you so hellbent on saving Paul money now?

What I don’t like about Summer 2020 is that despite having all this crap expire we still won’t have room for a max contract. Then again we might decide to move CJ by then for someone cheaper.

My fear is that Neil will just re-sign the same players for slightly less if we make the playoffs for the next two years. Something like Turner for $10million, Meyers for $6million and Harkless for $8million, telling us how this core is reliable and growing.

 

[DollaBel]

Who says this? You, it's your opinion.
Personally there's a lot of players I would trade Lillard for.

I could use the entertainment, please list all the current players you'd trade Lillard for. In my opinion, if there is a point guard on that list then you're incorrect.

 

[TBpup]

We can do that by 2020 as is just by letting contracts expire, or trade them in the summer of 19 to get value. Why are you so hellbent on saving Paul money now?

It's not about saving Paul money....couldn't care less. It's about more financial flexibility than we have now, which is almost none. (Especially given the lack of Playoff production)

 

[James lamphear]

Well what I can see you need to trade cj after this year if we don't improve. They need maybe groom Trent this year for his replacement for next year. In some ways I wouldn't be mad if we had a real bad season this year to land one those very talented SF next year draft. Sometimes you got to a few step back to able move ahead what your goals to achieve for the team. I will still support this team win or lose but this team right now might make it as a 8 seed next or barely falling short of the playoffs.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Well what I can see you need to trade cj after this year if we don't improve. They need maybe groom Trent this year for his replacement for next year. In some ways I wouldn't be mad if we had a real bad season this year to land one those very talented SF next year draft. Sometimes you got to a few step back to able move ahead what your goals to achieve for the team. I will still support this team win or lose but this team right now might make it as a 8 seed next or barely falling short of the playoffs.

Welcome to the forum!!! Where are you from?

 

[LayneStaley]

Honestly, I'm starting to come around to this. Build around Collins/Simons/Nurk (maybe?).

Get some young players or picks. I'd go to Phoenix and Philly. Build for 3-4 years from now.

I’ve been saying this for MONTHS and getting absolutely slammed for it. It’s the right course of action.

 

[illmatic99]

It's not about saving Paul money....couldn't care less. It's about more financial flexibility than we have now, which is almost none. (Especially given the lack of Playoff production)

Grass isn't always greener.

Ask Orlando and Sacramento.

 

[LayneStaley]

I dunno - Philly could probably use him. He can play at the PG position as a SG while Simmons handles the ball. Particularly if they're about to lose JJ Redick. If they offered a package including NW native Fultz and that Miami pick they just acquired off Phoenix....

Philly is now in direct competition with Boston, who beat them WITHOUT their two star FA acquisitions. So Philly needs to upgrade. (Of course, if they get Kawhi, then never mind.)

Can you imagine acquiring Tatum and building around the frontline of Nurk/Collins/Tatum...yes please.

 

[LayneStaley]

Grass isn't always greener.

Ask Orlando and Sacramento.

They didn’t answer the phone so I called Philly and I liked what they had to say.

 

[illmatic99]

They didn’t answer the phone so I called Philly and I liked what they had to say.

5 yrs and a shit load of luck.

 

[LayneStaley]

5 yrs and a shit load of luck.

And after 5 years they are contenders, we haven’t been contenders in 17 years.

And if they had a shit load of good luck couldn’t you say Sac/Orl had a shit load of bad luck? Look at Phoenix, they are headed in right direction because of lottery too.

 

[James lamphear]

Welcome to the forum!!! Where are you from?

Southern Oregon

 

[rotary111]

The Miami pick from Philly would be my target, it's unprotected.

Along with any combo of Saric, Fultz, Covington ????

That's in no way tanking, in fact, we would probably be better...with a future.

If Philly fails on getting Kawhi we have a chance, They are not F'in around.

 

[Strenuus]

Here's my thought process on trading Dame:

He's been vocal about wanting to stay in Portland. I'm a fan of the trailblazers - if we finally have someone wanting to stay with the Blazers.. the team I cheer for, then I will ride it out with him.

 

[rotary111]

Here's my thought process on trading Dame:

He's been vocal about wanting to stay in Portland. I'm a fan of the trailblazers - if we finally have someone wanting to stay with the Blazers.. the team I cheer for, then I will ride it out with him.

I agree!! Dame is untouchable!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I ride or die with Dame Lillard, fuck a rebuild with him in his prime. If we drafted a scenario 14 million times with blowing it up and tanking, we won't get a player of Dame's caliber.

He is the best thing to happen to this franchise and the perfect player for this city. How people want to trade him is unfathomable for me. From his leadership, embracing of Portland, skills, and attitude, it just doesn't get any better for me.

 

[illmatic99]

I ride or die with Dame Lillard, fuck a rebuild with him in his prime. If we drafted a scenario 14 million times with blowing it up and tanking, we won't get a player of Dame's caliber.

He is the best thing to happen to this franchise and the perfect player for this city. How people want to trade him is unfathomable for me. From his leadership, embracing of Portland, skills, and attitude, it just doesn't get any better for me.

Agree 100%.

Unless Dame requests a trade and wants out, there is no way in hell I move him. Try like mad to actually build a roster that fits around him first before getting rid of him. Neil totally fucked us over.

 

[Orion Bailey]

And after 5 years they are contenders, we haven’t been contenders in 17 years.

And if they had a shit load of good luck couldn’t you say Sac/Orl had a shit load of bad luck? Look at Phoenix, they are headed in right direction because of lottery too.

How are they contenders right now? Don't they need to prove a little something first?