PGOTF (point guard of the future TM)

[Nikolokolus]

http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/3/2/1332919/pg-paradise

Some interesting names thrown around by Dave at Blazers edge about some point guards that theoretically could be on the radar of the team to fill the role of long run starter at the point (assuming Bayless doesn't work out, Koponen isn't an NBA player, Dre' doesn't play like this til he's 40, and Diener doesn't become Blake 2.0)

I wrinkled my nose when I read this:

Toronto-- Jose Calderon and Jarrett Jack

The Raptors have two pretty good point guards. Jack is really reasonably priced for a starter. Calderon is quite expensive for a reserve. It may make sense to keep both. On the other hand Toronto may have needs great enough to consider parting with one or the other. Calderon was a hot topic last off-season. Jack hasn't been brought up, but wouldn't the irony be delicious?

Calderon aside, how funny would it be if the Blazers traded back for Jarret Jack? Supposedly he's actually looking like a passable point guard these days and I had no idea his season was going as well as it has been (almost reaching the 50/40/90 holy grail for guards)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=2768

I don't think it's going to happen, but what would you guys think of the prodigal son returning home?

 

[MIXUM]

i think harris would be a nice fit. he just hates playing there.

 

[BasX]

Please take Jose.

 

[SpanishFly]

Please take Jose.

LOL You must be a Raps fan - NO WAY JOSE!

 

[RoyToy]

Conley would be the best fit.

Like Batum, he's one of those guys that get pts just playing off of others. He's also pretty good at getting around his guy and getting in the lane, plus he's a good 3pt shooter as well.

He'd be a great fit next to Roy. Still young at 22 so there's a chance he continues to improve.

 

[maxiep]

Point of the article: There's no quick fix out there. Best to develop what you have.

 

[STOMP]

Conley would be the best fit.

there are many young PGs I'd rather have then Conley (12.2 PER). For instance, Stephen Curry is already outperforming MC as a rook and would be a tremendous fit with whats in place.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...m=0&p1=conlemi01&y1=2010&p2=curryst01&y2=2010

STOMP

 

[PtldPlatypus]

there are many young PGs I'd rather have then Conley (12.2 PER). For instance, Stephen Curry is already outperforming MC as a rook and would be a tremendous fit with whats in place.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...m=0&p1=conlemi01&y1=2010&p2=curryst01&y2=2010

STOMP

Yes, but Curry has already entrenched himself in GS as basically untouchable. He's not a realistic option, whereas Conley is (albeit not necessarily a great one).

As for those PGs who might be legitimately available, whom would you advocate pursuing?

 

[LittleAlex]

The comment about Jack means you can discount anything else actually said in the article. Jack has sucked, sucks now and will continue to suck far into the future.

Nice guy, bad point guard.

 

[speeds]

The comment about Jack means you can discount anything else actually said in the article. Jack has sucked, sucks now and will continue to suck far into the future.

Nice guy, bad point guard.

Except he has been awesome for Toronto this year. Good fit.

 

[STOMP]

Yes, but Curry has already entrenched himself in GS as basically untouchable. He's not a realistic option, whereas Conley is (albeit not necessarily a great one).

As for those PGs who might be legitimately available, whom would you advocate pursuing?

We have only our speculation as to who is legitimately available With the caps coming down there may be a ton of player movement this summer... guys who wouldn't land on our speculative lists may be legitimately on the block

and if not, I'm interested in seeing Bayless mature and maybe bring Petteri over as both seem to have potential. I'm of the opinion that the grass is pretty green on this side of the fence already

STOMP

 

[BGrantFan]

Depends on what Pritchard wants for us in a point guard. If he wants a younger version of Andre Miller, then Bayless and Mills are not going to be the future. If he wants Roy to become more like LeBron and Kobe in terms of dominating the ball, then either of them could be the answer since they can relieve Roy of the ball and create their own shot, and Mills may even be quick enough to defend penetration by the Aaron Brooks of the world.

Also, Jarrett Jack? This is a career year for him, and he's still an average PG in terms of his 15.2 PER, and he is certainly is not the answer on defense.

 

[hasoos]

Except he has been awesome for Toronto this year. Good fit.

Two Words: Bull Shit.

I have watched many Toronto games. Jarrett Jack is still Jarrett Jack that we all knew here. It's not like Toronto is kicking ass in the east of all places. The east.

 

[speeds]

Two Words: Bull Shit.

I have watched many Toronto games. Jarrett Jack is still Jarrett Jack that we all knew here. It's not like Toronto is kicking ass in the east of all places. The east.

If you say so. Raptors fans are pretty happy with him.

 

[mook]

It's pretty clear who the SG, PF, SF and C "of the future" for the team is. So it's a reasonable question to ask it about PG. But maybe there really isn't any. Did the Lakers really have a "PG of the Future" in 1999? Not really. They sort of made do with Derek Fisher, and it worked out really well for them. The Spurs never really had a "SF of the future" or a "Complimentary Big Man to Duncan of the Future" (setting aside whether Duncan is a PF or C).

Teams almost never sew up 5 starters for very extended periods. It's pretty rare to have three starters with tenure of more than a few years, let alone five.

Look at our roster. Look at Roy's skill set. Look at the likely availability of high quality point guards out there. I put it all together and I don't really see "premier young point guard" in our future. I see us going with guys like Andre Miller (and maybe an older Chauncy Billups after Miller breaks down). Or maybe Bayless or Mills or Koponen is good enough.

But I think it'll probably always be a position where we just sort of "get by" with stopgap solutions, and (hopefully) win titles by dominating at other positions.

 

[andalusian]

JJ has been playing very nice this year, and a 15.2 PER is average starter - which is good for Toronto because he at least plays some defense (unlike Calderon who actually gives them a higher PER, but does not play defense at all). A 15.2 PER PG as a backup PG would be great for Portland, especially since he also plays some defense, but, let's face it, the Blazers already have a 15.5 PER backup PG in Bayless, and he tries to play defense as well.

What we have is exactly what KP told us - JB is JJ on steroids. But, since JJ is so young and inexperienced, we do not see the consistency Jack has this year. The highs are higher, the lows are lower, but overall - JJ for JB would be about even swap this year, and I am willing to bet - a downgrade going forward, because once JB gets the consistency - he will just be a better player.

Still glad for Jack - he is a favorite of mine because he is a nice player (if not great) and a great person. It is nice to see that he got into a system where he fits, people appreciate him and he is happy.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Miller does two things for us that few PG's can do- he dictates the tempo of the game, and he posts up other PG's well and can either score or pass out of it effectively.

That to say I would prefer an veteran of at least 6 years rather than another young player still learning the NBA game.

 

[Blazer_Hippie]

Miller does two things for us that few PG's can do- he dictates the tempo of the game, and he posts up other PG's well and can either score or pass out of it effectively.

That to say I would prefer an veteran of at least 6 years rather than another young player still learning the NBA game.

Agreed. I'm very tired of watching young point guards try to develop here! I'd like a known quantity over potential at the point guard position.

 

[Wheels]

no way I refuse to leave Rubio out of it. Although the Blazers dont have much to get him here. As I would be looking to pair Rudy with him. hmmmm that leaves Bayless and Webster and $14,000,000 cash. What say you Minny?!?

 

[Blazer_Hippie]

no way I refuse to leave Rubio out of it. Although the Blazers dont have much to get him here. As I would be looking to pair Rudy with him. hmmmm that leaves Bayless and Webster and $14,000,000 cash. What say you Minny?!?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

NOT RICKY RUBIO

 

[Wheels]

YES Ricky Rubio! That would require a new coach with a different philosiphy though... not that, that would bother many in here

 

[Cake]

If we go through the draft, we should do whatever it takes to trade up for Evan Turner. Yeah, he's a combo guard, but he's EASILY the class of this draft and he can absolutely play the point in the NBA. He's going to be a bad-ass.

I know a lot of people like to dismiss 'advanced stats' like win score, but take a look at the last few drafts and you'll see a lot the guys who are having NBA success were very highly rated in terms of win score per 48 minutes (and went to a big school.) Ty Lawson was tops last season and he's been probably the best value pick out of that draft so far. George Hill, Brandon Roy, Steph Curry, Dwayne Wade, Chris Paul, Deron Williams...the list goes on and on. Evan Turner's win score per 48 is better than EVERY one of them.

I don't think I'm going that far out on a limb here, but barring injury, he will be a hall of fame point guard. We should sacrifice Fernandez, Bayless, Aldridge, picks, take on a terrible contracts...whatever it takes...to get Evan Turner.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I know a lot of people like to dismiss 'advanced stats' like win score, but take a look at the last few drafts and you'll see a lot the guys who are having NBA success were very highly rated in terms of win score per 48 minutes (and went to a big school.) Ty Lawson was tops last season and he's been probably the best value pick out of that draft so far. George Hill, Brandon Roy, Steph Curry, Dwayne Wade, Chris Paul, Deron Williams...the list goes on and on. Evan Turner's win score per 48 is better than EVERY one of them.

How was Darren Collison's?

How can you compare different College teams, given their different strengths of competition? Is there a stat for foreign players? The Mavs are very high on Rodrigue Beaubois.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Let me say that there's no chance in hell we're getting Rubio. BUT, that said, his play with Barcelona has impressed me greatly. His stats aren't great, but the team is just dominating, and he's shown that he can coexist with the massive ego and Roy-like (for Europe) game of Navarro, a small SG who likes to have the ball in his hands and is quite a flashy passer himself. I would've thought it would be a bad match, as the book on Rubio up to this point was that he had to dominate the ball to be at all effective, but it's worked very well, and Rubio has developed a solid spot-up three (just as Jason Kidd has).

I can't see him ever coming over to Minny, though. Barcelona to Minneapolis? When they have Jonny Flynn already? And what happens if Minny gets the #1 pick? They've got to take John Wall.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

And what happens if Minny gets the #1 pick? They've got to take John Wall.

No, I don't think so. Evan Turner is arguably the better player (6'7" SG leading the Big-Ten in rebounds?!), and would inarguably be a better fit on their roster.

 

[Blaze01]

so if MIN somehow wins the lottery are they going to take John Wall?

I would think so....

I'd love to see that...Wall, Flynn and Rubio.....lol...I know thier GM is a little crazy, but I don't think he is THAT crazy...

I think there is a scenario where Rubio could be available...whether POR would\should be interested is entirely another matter....

What about a guy whose stock is way down right now, but whose game may suit the NBA much better?

Willie Warren...

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Willie-Warren-5157/

Wouldn't be surprised to see POR take a flyer of Greivis Vasquez....

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Greivis-Vasquez-1133/

and he has worked out for POR before (last year in fact), which usually can be a good barometer (see Claver, Roy for example...)

I think Kalin Lucas is intriguing as well....

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kalin-Lucas-5308/

 

[hasoos]

I think John Wall would thrive at SG as well. They are in a no lose situation.

 

[Darkwebs]

Our PGOTF is Travis Diener. 'Nuff said.

 

[MickZagger]

Miller's only 33, so he has 7 more years until he's 40. His style of play is much like Jason Kidd's, not based on athleticism, but just outsmarting and being more craftier than his opponent. He never misses time do to injury, I think he could be a player like Kidd who has a lot more ball left in the tank.