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TripTango said:
This is an ironic post, Mags. There was nothing "straw man" about Peter Hitchens' argument above -- it was simply bad logic. And by attacking "some of the writings written by atheists", you are yourself attacking a dummy opponent -- a straw man.

If politeness were directly proportional to Christianity and belief in the Bible, as Peter Hitchens suggests, countries with very low numbers of Christians, like Japan, would be among the very rudest. This is definitely not the case. No straw man here, just a weak argument.
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You have no idea about the culture in Japan. I've traveled there on business for over 7 years. They've had a very strict religion already. They also believed a God, so there lies the morality of religion being the base for morality. I've seen bosses slapping the face of his employees for showing dishonor. Do you know what that dishonor was? The vice president wasn't following us when we took a tour after dinner. Crazy huh? I deal with Asian customers for years. You have no idea about their customs and it was all based on religion.
 
magnifier661 said:
You have no idea about the culture in Japan. I've traveled there on business for over 7 years. They've had a very strict religion already. They also believed a God, so there lies the morality of religion being the base for morality. I've seen bosses slapping the face of his employees for showing dishonor. Do you know what that dishonor was? The vice president wasn't following us when we took a tour after dinner. Crazy huh? I deal with Asian customers for years. You have no idea about their customs and it was all based on religion.
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I guess you told him. ;)
 
ABM said:
I guess you told him. ;)
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I have one passport completely filled because of all my trips to Asia. I am working on my second; which is have full. I don't travel as much now, thank God! The one thing I do know is Asian customs. One from my Korean descent and from the crazy amount of times I've traveled to Asia.
 
ABM said:
I wonder if Batum's Mom and sis would have made it through Asian customs yesterday?
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Well depends where you are going. Japan's pretty cool and mellow to get into. China is amazingly strict. Malaysia is another strict country. Thailand is really smooth and easy. Singapore is like USA. It was like I flew in from Denver. Taiwan was extremely hard. Almost as hard as china. Hong Kong easy. Korea was strangely easy too.
 
magnifier661 said:
I've been to Japan. Christianity is on the rise and they already had two other "god based" religions.
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A good friend of mine is an English professor who has lived in Japan for the last 33 years. He says it is a country made up almost entirely of atheists, very analytical in nature.
 
MARIS61 said:
A good friend of mine is an English professor who has lived in Japan for the last 33 years. He says it is a country made up almost entirely of atheists, very analytical in nature.
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Your friend is wrong! They used to think their emperor was God. Look at the world war 2. Are u serious?
 
magnifier661 said:
Your friend is wrong! They used to think their emperor was God. Look at the world war 2. Are u serious?
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Today, not 70 years ago.

They are an advanced society with beliefs based in science.

Once the old folks pass on the contry will be religion-free for the most part.
 
MARIS61 said:
Today, not 70 years ago.

They are an advanced society with beliefs based in science.

Once the old folks pass on the contry will be religion-free for the most part.
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I thought they all still prayed to Mothra.

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MARIS61 said:
Today, not 70 years ago.

They are an advanced society with beliefs based in science.

Once the old folks pass on the contry will be religion-free for the most part.
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That census is skewd. Buddha monks don't take those surveys; and old people as well. And when I saw old; we are talking 40 or older. The people so close to their beliefs don't think it's a good business to talk about it. They remain silent. But you can see their tradition. You see how they still use much of the "moral foundation" that have been set from religion. Just bowing or mannerism is a form of many Shinto belief.


And Shinto is an abstract religion. They believe somewhat like buddhist belief; but they are amazed on the most natural things. A tree that's wide means how powerful that area is. Some even take on samurai respect. And still believe that there is still a ranking system to true glory. In fact our customers president is an actual samurai.
 
magnifier661 said:
You have no idea about the culture in Japan. I've traveled there on business for over 7 years. They've had a very strict religion already. They also believed a God, so there lies the morality of religion being the base for morality. I've seen bosses slapping the face of his employees for showing dishonor. Do you know what that dishonor was? The vice president wasn't following us when we took a tour after dinner. Crazy huh? I deal with Asian customers for years. You have no idea about their customs and it was all based on religion.
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Excuse me. I LIVED IN JAPAN for two years. You can shove your passport and customer experience, friend.
 
magnifier661 said:
I have one passport completely filled because of all my trips to Asia. I am working on my second; which is have full. I don't travel as much now, thank God! The one thing I do know is Asian customs. One from my Korean descent and from the crazy amount of times I've traveled to Asia.
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Lived. There. For two. Years.

Calling Japanese people impolite based on some boss reprimanding an employee is insane.
 
So you've witnessed the epidemic of young adults having sexual relationships with anime? I think that's pretty cool!
 
magnifier661 said:
Actually it proves their respect level friend. Not rudeness.
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You are straying off topic again. The article you originally linked to was about POLITENESS being linked to CHRISTIANITY. Not religions in general, or tradition, or social mobility, or any other aspect of culture that you want to bring up and dissect. It was about politeness and Christianity.

Are you going to concede that Japan is both 90% non-Christian and ridiculously polite, or not?
 
magnifier661 said:
So you've witnessed the epidemic of young adults having sexual relationships with anime? I think that's pretty cool!
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If you call "tons of businessmen reading comic books on the train" a sexual relationship, than yeah, I witnessed it every day. :)
 
TripTango said:
You are straying off topic again. The article you originally linked to was about POLITENESS being linked to CHRISTIANITY. Not religions in general, or tradition, or social mobility, or any other aspect of culture that you want to bring up and dissect. It was about politeness and Christianity.

Are you going to concede that Japan is both 90% non-Christian and ridiculously polite, or not?
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Okay I will conced since I am off topic from Christianity! :)
 
TripTango said:
If you call "tons of businessmen reading comic books on the train" a sexual relationship, than yeah, I witnessed it every day. :)
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No the actual cafe that have businessmen that go in and design an anime for them. Like actually an anime girlfriend. You haven't heard of this?
 
magnifier661 said:
Okay I will conced since I am off topic from Christianity! :)
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Thank you!

Now then, as long as you are in a conciliatory mood, how about that "Noah's Ark" discovery you linked to that was later debunked by the discoverer's own church? ;)
 
magnifier661 said:
No the actual cafe that have businessmen that go in and design an anime for them. Like actually an anime girlfriend. You haven't heard of this?
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Never. I certainly wouldn't doubt it, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the word "epidemic" is a touch too strong...
 
TripTango said:
Thank you!

Now then, as long as you are in a conciliatory mood, how about that "Noah's Ark" discovery you linked to that was later debunked by the discoverer's own church? ;)
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Well u better start conceding too. Give me one and we can move to the next one. Gotta review! :)
 
magnifier661 said:
On my phone. When I get to work tomorrow; I will review. Deal?
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Deal. But I'm not going to lie to you -- I think I've been pretty careful not to make assertions I couldn't support. I'm curious to see where you think I've failed!
 
I know nothing about it, like Adam in the Garden of Eden. I guess I better read this whole thread and slowly ration out my responses to the posts this week. On the 7th day I will rest.

You will need the patience of Methusaleh.
 
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