Plan B

[Mediocre Man]

There have been a few people asking what the Blazers plan B might be if Hibbert is matched, and what we, as posters, would do. I thought I would make a thread so people can bitch at others...er post what they would do.

Here is mine

Let Batum walk for Martell Webster and a future 1st

Sign Jason Thomspon

Bring Freeland and Claver over

Go young on the floor

Lillard/Smith
Matthews/Williams/Barton
Babbitt/Webster/Claver
Aldridge/Freeland
Leonard/Thompson

Lottery pick in 2013
Minny pick in 2014

Trade Matthews for an expiring and late first

2013 salaries about 35 million with cap hold of lottery pick

Assuming the Blazers don't strike lottery gold, we pick 4th and land James McAdoo

We sign James Hardin to a max deal

Lillard
Harden
McAdoo
Aldridge
Leonard

Might that be a pretty decent starting 5? I think so. Add in Thompson, Williams, Babbitt, Freeland, Claver, Barton, Smith and it's something to build on

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Harden wont hit FA market, and we would be the last team he will come to

 

[Blazinaway]

There have been a few people asking what the Blazers plan B might be if Hibbert is matched, and what we, as posters, would do. I thought I would make a thread so people can bitch at others...er post what they would do.

Here is mine

Let Batum walk for Martell Webster and a future 1st

Sign Jason Thomspon

Bring Freeland and Claver over

Go young on the floor

Lillard/Smith
Matthews/Williams/Barton
Babbitt/Webster/Claver
Aldridge/Freeland
Leonard/Thompson

Lottery pick in 2013
Minny pick in 2014

Trade Matthews for an expiring and late first

2013 salaries about 35 million with cap hold of lottery pick

Assuming the Blazers don't strike lottery gold, we pick 4th and land James McAdoo

We sign James Hardin to a max deal

Lillard
Harden
McAdoo
Aldridge
Leonard

Might that be a pretty decent starting 5? I think so. Add in Thompson, Williams, Babbitt, Freeland, Claver, Barton, Smith and it's something to build on

MM, one question, under the new CBA don't we have to have a salary this yr at 90% of the cap? that would be about 52 mil, even if it's 85% we would need to be at 49-50 mil and I am pretty sure 85% is the minimum this year at least.

 

[Natebishop3]

There have been a few people asking what the Blazers plan B might be if Hibbert is matched, and what we, as posters, would do. I thought I would make a thread so people can bitch at others...er post what they would do.

Here is mine

Let Batum walk for Martell Webster and a future 1st

Sign Jason Thomspon

Bring Freeland and Claver over

Go young on the floor

Lillard/Smith
Matthews/Williams/Barton
Babbitt/Webster/Claver
Aldridge/Freeland
Leonard/Thompson

Lottery pick in 2013
Minny pick in 2014

Trade Matthews for an expiring and late first

2013 salaries about 35 million with cap hold of lottery pick

Assuming the Blazers don't strike lottery gold, we pick 4th and land James McAdoo

We sign James Hardin to a max deal

Lillard
Harden
McAdoo
Aldridge
Leonard

Might that be a pretty decent starting 5? I think so. Add in Thompson, Williams, Babbitt, Freeland, Claver, Barton, Smith and it's something to build on

I like the way you think MM.... but I would probably see if there was anywhere else Batum would want to go. I think Minny is merely a bargaining ploy as this point, and I highly doubt Nic ACTUALLY wants to play in bumfuck Minnesota. I'd see if there is anywhere else he wants to go and shop some other sign-and-trades. I'd try to aim for short or expiring deals and lotto picks.

I wouldn't sign anyone and I would try to squirrel away our cap space until next summer when we can go big or go home, plus we should get another good pick in the process. I like throwing money at Harden. Even if it takes us two or three years, it would still be in Aldridge's window. He's only, 26? He should just be coming into his prime in the next year or so.

 

[Mediocre Man]

MM, one question, under the new CBA don't we have to have a salary this yr at 90% of the cap? that would be about 52 mil, even if it's 85% we would need to be at 49-50 mil and I am pretty sure 85% is the minimum this year at least.

Ya, you are right. My roster next year doesn't have enough salary. That shouldn't be an issue though because there are still roster spots to fill. Next year we would be at 48million with the players mentioned above. Easy to get to the cap number with vets for a year

 

[Blazinaway]

Ya, you are right. My roster next year doesn't have enough salary. That shouldn't be an issue though because there are still roster spots to fill. Next year we would be at 48million with the players mentioned above. Easy to get to the cap number with vets for a year

yep, i just rechecked and it is 85% this yr and 90% next, but one-yr deals work fine to fill out roster

 

[Blazinaway]

question on letting Batum go to Minny bu getting a sign and trade, would you prefer the Minny 1st or trying to get Derrick Williams? I think I'd prefer Williams/Ridnour if we could do it, they seem to be interested in signing some foreign huard who is Rubio's buddy so Rid is likely getable

 

[Natebishop3]

question on letting Batum go to Minny bu getting a sign and trade, would you prefer the Minny 1st or trying to get Derrick Williams? I think I'd prefer Williams/Ridnour if we could do it, they seem to be interested in signing some foreign huard who is Rubio's buddy so Rid is likely getable

I would say whatever provides us with the most cap flexibility next summer.

 

[RR7]

mcadoo isn't a SF

 

[Mediocre Man]

mcadoo isn't a SF

He will be able to play both. Kid is super athletic

 

[Natebishop3]

We need to add young talent and start building for the future, which is why I have always been open to trading LMA for the right price.

 

[ebott]

I concur

 

[Mediocre Man]

I concur

No tank. Develop

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

We need to add young talent and start building for the future, which is why I have always been open to trading LMA for the right price.

yeah, we've only been doing that for the last 9 years. we should totally expect different results while doing the same thing. draft picks and cap space! let the young players develop, then dump them for draft picks and cap space!

:MARIS61:

 

[RR7]

We need to add young talent and start building for the future, which is why I have always been open to trading LMA for the right price.

Can you name one other team that was built ("the right way") by trading away a top maybe 25 player, top 4 at his position, just entering his prime, to add draft picks?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Portland when they traded ZBO for imaginary cap space! He later became an allstar and got past the first round of the playoffs, but that's besides the point.

:MARIS61:


and don't teams like the Clippers, Charlotte, etc do that all the time?

 

[noknobs]

My plan B: Curl into fetal position and cry


... which, I might add, is a better longterm solution than trading Lamarcus.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Utah did it when they traded for Deron Williams. Then again, they're never going to win a championship with their path. only way is to acquire superstars.

 

[RR7]

Utah did it when they traded for Deron Williams. Then again, they're never going to win a championship with their path. only way is to acquire superstars.

Sorry, meant to specify with Aldridge's situation. Not guys with a year left on a deal. Aldridge is locked in to us for 3 more years, so he's not even a flight risk, like Deron was. But yeah, utah did. We'll see how that goes for them. I was thinking more historically. Everyone talks about there seemingly only being one way for small market franchises to win, and part of their plan seems to be trading Aldridge, so I am really curious as to when it has ever worked for another before we commit to it.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I hope we don't have to go to a plan B.

Hibbert or bust.

Fuck a plan B.

!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Utah did it when they traded for Deron Williams. Then again, they're never going to win a championship with their path. only way is to acquire superstars.

well they took a shot at favors or kanter becoming a superstar

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Sorry, meant to specify with Aldridge's situation. Not guys with a year left on a deal. Aldridge is locked in to us for 3 more years, so he's not even a flight risk, like Deron was. But yeah, utah did. We'll see how that goes for them. I was thinking more historically. Everyone talks about there seemingly only being one way for small market franchises to win, and part of their plan seems to be trading Aldridge, so I am really curious as to when it has ever worked for another before we commit to it.

yeah, its pretty fucking stupid to trade him when he's locked in, in his early prime, we have young talent around him, and cap space available. its like not going to be a better situation than it is right now to rebuild/retool a roster.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

plan B would be to S&T Batum. My target has always been Igoudala, who I think is a definite upgrade at the position.

 

[Nikolokolus]

yeah, we've only been doing that for the last 9 years. we should totally expect different results while doing the same thing. draft picks and cap space! let the young players develop, then dump them for draft picks and cap space!

:MARIS61:

the plan wan't invalid ... just the knees of the players they were counting on.

 

[Natebishop3]

yeah, we've only been doing that for the last 9 years. we should totally expect different results while doing the same thing. draft picks and cap space! let the young players develop, then dump them for draft picks and cap space!

:MARIS61:

Yeah.... and we'd be doing just fine if Roy's knees hadn't exploded and Oden hadn't completely broken down in less than a full season of games (added up). Roy/Aldridge/Oden should have been an awesome trio. You can't blame the plan because of unforeseen health problems. If we had drafted Durant and kept ZBO, would we be in the same situation?

The flaw was management and bad luck, not going for young players and cap space.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yeah.... and we'd be doing just fine if Roy's knees hadn't exploded and Oden hadn't completely broken down in less than a full season of games (added up). Roy/Aldridge/Oden should have been an awesome trio. You can't blame the plan because of unforeseen health problems. If we had drafted Durant and kept ZBO, would we be in the same situation?

The flaw was management and bad luck, not going for young players and cap space.

"but...if!"

:MARIS61:

 

[Natebishop3]

"but...if!"

:MARIS61:

How about you go tell the Thunder that building through the draft doesn't work. I'm sure they'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

How about you go tell the Thunder that building through the draft doesn't work. I'm sure they'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

oh it can work sometimes. you just have to be historically bad for several years in a row and have the ping pong balls bounce in the right way at the same time a real superstar player is in the draft pool (which I think is about ever 2-3 years). if that's a plan, so be it.

 

[Mediocre Man]

oh it can work sometimes. you just have to be historically bad for several years in a row and have the ping pong balls bounce in the right way at the same time a real superstar player is in the draft pool (which I think is about ever 2-3 years)

So how does a small market team, let's say Portland get a big time superstar to play for them, and be happy playing for them

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So how does a small market team, let's say Portland get a big time superstar to play for them, and be happy playing for them

just acquire them and deal with it later. you have to take gambles. ala scottie pippen.