Plan B

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It doesn't have to be igoudala. Just get allstars. He just might be available Of those out there

{Poasted via palm pilot}

 

[Natebishop3]

BRoy the closer got us first round and out. He's a nice kid but those teams that got to the WCF were infinitly more balanced and full of vets.

If BRoy had stayed healthy and the team had progressed as planned, I think we would have contended. He only got one healthy playoffs and he was great. We just were too green to do anything that year. I also think if we'd had a healthy Roy against Phoenix, we would have knocked them off.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Andre Iguodala? You mean the one who plays for the 76ers, that Andre Iguodala? Get him at all costs and figure it out later? That's the answer? ... What was the question again?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Andre Iguodala? You mean the one who plays for the 76ers, that Andre Iguodala? Get him at all costs and figure it out later? That's the answer? ... What was the question again?

yes. target allstars before targeting role players.

possibly available.
upgrade at position.
around same age as LA.
2 years left on his contract.

 

[Natebishop3]

yes. target allstars before targeting role players.

possibly available.
upgrade at position.
around same age as LA.
2 years left on his contract.

Jamaal Magloire was an All-Star.

 

[Mediocre Man]

yes. target allstars before targeting role players.

possibly available.
upgrade at position.
around same age as LA.
2 years left on his contract.

Is he an upgrade at the position? Maybe slight
http://www.basketball-reference.com...m=0&p1=batumni01&y1=2012&p2=iguodan01&y2=2012

 

[Nikolokolus]

yes. target allstars before targeting role players.

possibly available.
upgrade at position.
around same age as LA.
2 years left on his contract.

Iguodala is a pretty much a glorified role-player. He's not a bad player, but he won't move the needle any closer to a championship by getting him and he's starting to slip. Can we really count on New Jersey to give us a lotto pick in two years when it's not working out?

Here's a hint: Look at Iggy's free throw rate to know how much of a "go to guy" he is now.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Jamaal Magloire was an All-Star.

yes he was. i'm not saying it works every time, but it makes a ton more sense to trade for all stars and then get role players than vice versa.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Iguodala is a pretty much a glorified role-player. He's not a bad player, but he won't move the needle any closer to a championship by getting him and he's starting to slip. Can we really count on New Jersey to give us a lotto pick in two years when it's not working out?

Here's a hint: Look at Iggy's free throw rate to know how much of a "go to guy" he is now.

Big deal. only 2 years on his deal left, its not like we'll be locked up long term with him if he doesn't work out and we'll have a tradable asset. better than trading Aldridge for draft picks and young non-allstars and tanking for 4-5 years and hoping it works out.

 

[Natebishop3]

yes he was. i'm not saying it works every time, but it makes a ton more sense to trade for all stars and then get role players than vice versa.

I think you mean perennial All-Stars. I can see how you'd get the two confused

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I think you mean perennial All-Stars. I can see how you'd get the two confused

basically its either that or take the Toronto way to rebuild:

@AlexKennedyNBA
Toronto has a nice young core: Kyle Lowry, DeMar DeRozan, Andrea Bargnani, Jonas Valančiūnas, Terrence Ross, Ed Davis. Keep an eye on them.

yeah, no one is going to keep an eye on that.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Big deal. only 2 years on his deal left, its not like we'll be locked up long term with him if he doesn't work out and we'll have a tradable asset. better than trading Aldridge for draft picks and young non-allstars and tanking for 4-5 years and hoping it works out.

Iguodala is a path to mediocrity, not a title. So if you're content to be a 6th seed and taking an early bow in the first round or maybe even get lucky and take a bow in the second, then by all means, let's get him.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Iguodala is a path to mediocrity, not a title. So if you're content to be a 6th seed and taking an early bow in the first round or maybe even get lucky and take a bow in the second, then by all means, let's get him.

by himself, sure. make a few moves. I don't think outside of Lillard and Aldridge there is anyone we really NEED to keep on this roster, so I say try to swing and get an allstar or two and go from there. Putting that forward and having his expiring deal after a season would probably help us more in the future even if it didn't work out. If you can make a package deal to get him, I think you need to do it. Better than filing the team with bunch of young talent that will never even get to being a second tier player at their position.

But using this time to trade LA for young players is huge waste of time. we're at a point where we have a guy in his prime, cap space, young talent and the ability to get an allstar via trade..then you fill it with some veterans.

not getting all-stars is the path to not even making the playoffs. like I said, its just as hard to get them even tanking through the draft when you consider how many bad teams stay bad with "good" draft picks. teams that build through the draft....usually continue to build through the draft. getting a bunch of young guys with potential rarely works out. In terms of NBA champions, its just getting the all stars of the league on your team.

Plan B should totally be to target any allstars. Hell, Dallas is fucked, go for Dirk. whatever.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Get these all-stars with what assets exactly?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

any of our players outside of Aldridge/Lillard, future draft picks, absorb cap space, S&T Batum. who knows. just get something done if possible.

 

[Natebishop3]

Get these all-stars with what assets exactly?

Imaginary cap space of course!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

JJ just went to the nets for a song, and i still think they paid too much

 

[Nikolokolus]

there we go with the stats again. fuck the stats. like I said just get the players who are allstars on the roster and deal with it later. he's still a legit #1/#2 option.

I agree, fuck the stats ... watch him move on the court and play, he's not the guy you keep asserting he is.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

what, he's not an allstar? I'm not saying he's a top 10 player in the league, but he's better than Batum probably ever will be.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

saw the Batum thing. if he's here for a lot of money, then Iggy doesn't make sense. I only wanted Iggy to replace Batum.

 

[Minstrel]

A legit 1st/2nd option? Yeah, on a team that sucks.

He's a legitimate all-around star, regardless of how you slot him as a scoring option. And he might be the best wing defender in the game. LeBron James is a better overall defender, since he can also guard bigs, but I think Iguodala is right with him as a perimeter defender.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

what, he's not an allstar? I'm not saying he's a top 10 player in the league, but he's better than Batum probably ever will be.

So the only think that matters is if the player has been to an all star game recently? That's ridiculous.

 

[Mediocre Man]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/47188/portlands-two-pronged-approach

 

[Sinobas]

If we don't get Hibbert, we maybe we should just let Batum go and try again next year. We have only 2 players commited next offseason at this point, so the potential for ultimate cap flexibility is there. Get another lotto pick and throw the max at James Harden. Sign Hickson to a one year deal and get Freeland. But the problem is, how would we be able to base our decision to match Batum's offer on what Indy does, since the deadline for those events is at the same time?

If we do get Hibbert and re-sign Batum, the LA, Matthews,Batum, Hibbert will make 47 mil combined, so we'd basically be done with our core. That team would never be a serious force unless Lillard becomes an all-star.

 

[Sedatedfork]

I say plan B is try to do a S&T with Batum, sign some 1 year contracts to fill out the roster and try again next offseason. Next offseason we will know what we have in our rooks, whether Elliot Williams or Babbit are pieces to use on this team in the future, ummm a coach, and who knows maybe the team even does well next year. I don't see the logic in blowing a big salary on Batum when the team is not ready to take a huge step forward. This is like that moment in Poker when you know you know you don't have winning cards, you are out of position, and you can afford to be patient. New GM, new coach, they can wait to lock themselves in for players in the future. Let's just bide our time if we don't land Hibbert.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

If we dont get Hibbert... my plan B is to save cap space to make a run at a big name player next year.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So the only think that matters is if the player has been to an all star game recently? That's ridiculous.

That should be our target with cap space or a trade.

 

[Mediocre Man]

If we dont get Hibbert... my plan B is to save cap space to make a run at a big name player next year.

So then letting Batum walk as well? That would be the only way to do it, and then you'd have to sign a bunch of high priced guys for one year to make the league minimum cap number

And then, who?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

for those that want to save cap space for "next time"...what if the same thing happens. should we once again save the cap space again until the next next summer? then the next next next summer if the "perfect storm" doesn't come along?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

and yes, this is "Imaginary Cap Space" all over again.