Planning On Going To The Tax Day Tea Party?

[maxiep]

And that is a bad thing? . . . I think that is why he was voted in . . . for change.

I'd be interested in what "Change" means for you. What do you want to see. Please answer with specifics.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I'd be interested in what "Change" means for you. What do you want to see. Please answer with specifics.

A govenrment that doesn't favor the wealthy to the degree that I percieve . . . a government committed to grow and strengthen the middle class.

The Bush era felt like an era of old school politics in which the poor got neglected, the middle class got few advantages and the wealthy were loving life. (ie Oil companies were making record profits quarter after quarter while the poor in Katrina got ignored).

Obama feels like he comes from the poeple . . . and I hope he remembers where he comes from and that he is a president for the people and not just the rich or big corporations.

As far as specifics actions Obama should take to get there . . . I don't know. I'll follow to some degree what he is doing, I will examine the results and hope at the end of 4 years that I get the feeling he was a president for the poeple and not a president for the wealthy . . . or worse the old brand of politics of saying all the right things but taking action to the contrary. I believe many are fed up with politics because it is all feels like political rehtoric among a bunch of rich powerful people.

But one thing that was very clear in that blowout of an election . . . people want change.

 

[MARIS61]

I think the honeymoon is over for Obama:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 36% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-one percent (31%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of +5

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

You clearly mis-interpret the findings as negative when Rasmussen has this to say about them:

The number of voters who say the United States is heading in the right direction remained steady this week at 35%.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 59% say the country is heading down the wrong track. The latest results show no change from last week and tie the highest level of optimism found in recent years.

This is now the fourth straight week a third or more of voters say the nation is going in the right direction.

With the stock market beginning to gain ground and the financial sector responding positively this week to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner's plan to soak up toxic assets in banks, President Obama declared at a press conference Tuesday night, “We’re beginning to see signs of progress.” He urged Americans to believe "a better day will come.”

The only time U.S. voters were more positive was in October 2004, when 43% said the nation was heading in the right direction. The new number is six points above the level found the week Obama was inaugurated president, and up 12 points from the findings right after Election Day.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

You clearly mis-interpret the findings as negative when Rasmussen has this to say about them:

The number of voters who say the United States is heading in the right direction remained steady this week at 35%.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 59% say the country is heading down the wrong track. The latest results show no change from last week and tie the highest level of optimism found in recent years.

This is now the fourth straight week a third or more of voters say the nation is going in the right direction.

With the stock market beginning to gain ground and the financial sector responding positively this week to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner's plan to soak up toxic assets in banks, President Obama declared at a press conference Tuesday night, “We’re beginning to see signs of progress.” He urged Americans to believe "a better day will come.”

The only time U.S. voters were more positive was in October 2004, when 43% said the nation was heading in the right direction. The new number is six points above the level found the week Obama was inaugurated president, and up 12 points from the findings right after Election Day.

I didn't read what you have above in the report. If true, I think that is great. Kind of like the Blazers, I would preach patience with Obama, but I know American people are not patient or forgiving.

I guess I thought it was bad news because I am simplton and went straight to the graph the link provided:


(Won't let me cut and paste)

 

[MARIS61]

Change can mean all sorts of things. I don't think people voted for annual trillion dollar deficits and a full steam ahead course for the Europeanization of America.

Quite clearly that's exactly what they voted for, way back in November 2004, and it will take close to a decade to reverse the damage caused their gulibility.

 

[MARIS61]

People are starting to wake up and see this guy for what he is: an American who wants to restore our way of government.

Fixed it for you.

 

[MARIS61]

You're so wrapped up in hatred, anger and victimhood, you're missing out on all the good things in life.

I often think that of you when reading your political/financial posts.

All a matter of viewpoint I guess.

 

[MARIS61]

I am now rerouting my IP address through three real proxies, two quasi-proxies, a pseudo-proxy, a quasi/pseudo-proxy, and at the center of the structure is a secret proxy powered by a team of hamsters running on a 4' diameter wheel. I also have a "kill pill" for the hamsters that can be unleashed at a moment's notice, and then I'm completely off the grid. And Maris is making me veeerrrrrryyyy nervous.

So yeah, I'm underground.

I had to laugh yesterday while on a treadmill and watching CNN.

Quality time, running with your pets?

 

[crandc]

Here is my hating, self pitying, victim, or whatever maxiep calls it question.

How many of these so called tea baggers ever supported Obama?

So far as I can see, the "movement", which seems to have no real demands and no real program, consists entirely of those who adamantly, virulently, opposed him. There are lots of people who vote for Candidate A because they believe he/she more closely represents their views, or is more qualified than Candidate B, but they don't hate Candidate B.

The "tea baggers" are not those kind of folks. They are, so far as I can tell without exception, the same people who loathed Obama from Day One. The ones who called him a socialist, communist, terrorist, fascist, elitist, Muslim, Christian nationalist, and empty suit - all at the same time. So for a few dozen or so to go wave pictures of tea bags and listen to a fake plumber talk about how he's horny and a blogger say how she hates all immigrants except herself is hardly signs of a massive popular revolt.

You know you have built a movement when minds start being changed. The support for the current president is higher than his vote majority, so by any objective indicators, minds are being changed in the opposite direction.

But there is no law against making an idiot of yourselves, if you want to wave pictures of teabags, nothing is stopping you.

Personally, I'd rather make myself a good cup of tea, which means NOT using tea bags.

 

[ABM]

But there is no law against making an idiot of yourselves, if you want to wave pictures of teabags, nothing is stopping you.

Personally, I'd rather make myself a good cup of tea, which means NOT using tea bags.

This guy might not be right on every aspect of these issues, but I sure can't criticize his passion:

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[maxiep]

Here is my hating, self pitying, victim, or whatever maxiep calls it question.

How many of these so called tea baggers ever supported Obama?

So far as I can see, the "movement", which seems to have no real demands and no real program, consists entirely of those who adamantly, virulently, opposed him. There are lots of people who vote for Candidate A because they believe he/she more closely represents their views, or is more qualified than Candidate B, but they don't hate Candidate B.

The "tea baggers" are not those kind of folks. They are, so far as I can tell without exception, the same people who loathed Obama from Day One. The ones who called him a socialist, communist, terrorist, fascist, elitist, Muslim, Christian nationalist, and empty suit - all at the same time. So for a few dozen or so to go wave pictures of tea bags and listen to a fake plumber talk about how he's horny and a blogger say how she hates all immigrants except herself is hardly signs of a massive popular revolt.

You know you have built a movement when minds start being changed. The support for the current president is higher than his vote majority, so by any objective indicators, minds are being changed in the opposite direction.

But there is no law against making an idiot of yourselves, if you want to wave pictures of teabags, nothing is stopping you.

Personally, I'd rather make myself a good cup of tea, which means NOT using tea bags.

It's possible to oppose for what President Obama stands. In fact, those that oppose him are closer to our Nation's Founders than those that support him. Those folks are closer to Jean Monnet.

And it's true. I find you to be among the most hateful and intolerant posters on this board.

 

[maxiep]

This guy might not be right on every aspect of these issues, but I sure can't criticize his passion:

Not just his passion. His ideas are centuries old, but just as true. One needs to think about the values they hold highest. For me, they are freedom and liberty.

 

[ABM]

Not just his passion. His ideas are centuries old, but just as true. One needs to think about the values they hold highest. For me, they are freedom and liberty.

I'd concur with that. Oh, and justice, too.

 

[maxiep]

I'd concur with that. Oh, and justice, too.

This is where it gets hard. I like Justice too, but I put it beneath Liberty.

 

[ABM]

This is where it gets hard. I like Justice too, but I put it beneath Liberty.

Interesting. In your mind, where does liberty transcend justice?

 

[ABM]

Tomorrow be it, correct?

 

[MARIS61]

The "party" across from the Bend Library on City property was a total flop here in Beautiful Central Oregon today.

Maybe 30-40 people showed up, strangely enough about half of them were bikers, the rest looked like WalMart shoppers for want of a better description.

Although they were all bitching about something or other, nobody seemed to be bitching about anything in particular or even the same thing as the guy next to him.

It broke up fairly quickly once the bikers realized there was no keg.

 

[MARIS61]

Interesting. In your mind, where does liberty transcend justice?

I'm guessing wherever it affects his pocketbook.

 

[BalancedMan]

According to reputable news agencies like Zogby (50%) and Rasmussen (56%), Obama is at or below the levels of previous Presidents at this stage of their presidency. I had to laugh yesterday while on a treadmill and watching CNN. They had Obama at 63%, yet the time frame up in the corner was March 10-22. Talk about manipulating data! I wonder how bad their recent 3-day data had to be to make them go back almost 2 weeks of polling to give him 63%.

CBS? LMAO

Really? Rasmussen? You know that's a fucking Republican bias there. Whenever they have an election poll it seems to favor a Republican about 5 points more than it turns out.

In any case, I have no problem with some form of socialism, but the problem is that it isn't feasible for the United States. We're too large, have too many immigrants, and too many bottom feeders. Denmark, where I lived for 5 months, is probably the epitome of socialism. It's a really nice place. No one is "that" poor...but on the flip side you don't have many billionaire's either. I understand the criticism that people want to make as much as they can, but heart strings tug at me too. Both sides make sense to me. I don't like to see people suffer. But I also realize that education and committing your life to a profession are expensive (financially and time wise) and people need to be rewarded as such.

In any case, socialism can't work in the US Federally. A better idea is to let the individual states run their version of "socialism" (or anti-socialism, whatever they want). The Federal government is too big, and I saw that as someone who votes democrat probably 80% of the time.

I also now share a desk with a state employee, and he does nothing. I was told that what I did today in 3 hours (in my first full week on the job) would have taken him more than a full week to do. Ridiculous. Government could be more innovative and efficient. That's the reform that's needed. It'd be nice if working for the government drew the best talent from schools, paid competitively, and was considered a "top-tier" career as opposed to a place for the lazy and complacent people. But it's just so hard to change the culture. You can make changes at the top, like a President (Obama) or GM (Pritchard), but you have to get rid of the players (government employees) and get them to buy into the system (a lean, hardworking organization)...neither of which seem very likely. It's a dream...unfortunately it stops about there.

As for the tax tea party, there was a big rally outside the state capitol in Colorado. Some of my conservative and libertarian co-workers went today. As someone who will pay a pretty high tax rate next year, I understand. but I don't know what can realistically be done about it.

:-(

 

[Denny Crane]

A govenrment that doesn't favor the wealthy to the degree that I percieve . . . a government committed to grow and strengthen the middle class.

The Bush era felt like an era of old school politics in which the poor got neglected, the middle class got few advantages and the wealthy were loving life. (ie Oil companies were making record profits quarter after quarter while the poor in Katrina got ignored).

Obama feels like he comes from the poeple . . . and I hope he remembers where he comes from and that he is a president for the people and not just the rich or big corporations.

As far as specifics actions Obama should take to get there . . . I don't know. I'll follow to some degree what he is doing, I will examine the results and hope at the end of 4 years that I get the feeling he was a president for the poeple and not a president for the wealthy . . . or worse the old brand of politics of saying all the right things but taking action to the contrary. I believe many are fed up with politics because it is all feels like political rehtoric among a bunch of rich powerful people.

But one thing that was very clear in that blowout of an election . . . people want change.

Why is all the bailout money going to the friends of the treasury secretary?

For reference:

 

[Denny Crane]

More reference:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-04-14-biggovernment_N.htm

Although an expansive federal government hasn't had a defender in the White House for nearly a half-century — since Lyndon Johnson and his Great Society program — most Americans in a nationwide USA TODAY/Gallup Poll approve of President Obama and the government's latest assertiveness. However, some of the steps he has ordered have made them wary.


By 3-to-1, those surveyed say government's expansion should be cut back when the economic crisis is over.

Comfortable with Big Government 37%
Only while we have to 15%
Not sure 27%
Not on our dime 21%

Source: Analysis by Jim Norman of USA TODAY/Gallup Poll of 1,007 adults taken March 27-29. Reported by Susan Page, USA TODAY.

 

[maxiep]

I'm guessing wherever it affects his pocketbook.

You're just like Roger Maris, but without the home runs. Instead, it's just a lot of strikeouts.

 

[maxiep]

Interesting. In your mind, where does liberty transcend justice?

When Justice for an individual comes at the expense of Liberty for the society at large.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

overall, lame. I hate protesters in general because they fuck traffic up and are usually pretty tame.

same with the anti-war fucks. or anti-globalism nerdz. tea party people = teh lame.

if you want to protest, do it like they do in Europe. Be hardcore as fuck and don't just hold signs up. set shit on fiyuah!