OT Plastic Bags in Oregon

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I don't know where you shop but I haven't found a single grocery store in all of Portland that charges for paper bags.

My bad, my wife, who does all the shopping, says several stores charge 10 cents per paper bag. She has been doing what Maris does and that's carrying the items by hand from the store to her car. Winco provides bags for free.

I'm too disabled to shop myself so I will never have a problem with paying for bags. Luckily, Costco gives you a box to take everything to your car.

The Zupan’s in Lake Grove has been charging a dime a bag for the past year. I believe Whole Foods also charges a fee. Some chains have been ahead of the curve for awhile...

 

[CupWizier]

Fake news.
Portlanders separate their trash into 3 bins, pay extra for it, then it all gets dumped at the landfill.
Batteries are the most toxic, and abundant daily pollutant, both in production and disposal. Another reason electric vehicles are a really bad idea.

I call bullshit. I happen to know an owner of one of the largest garbage collectors on the west side and they initiated a program years ago where they separated the garbage from the recyclables on site and then transferred it to the appropriate facilities as it was cheaper for disposal rates and many have since followed.

 

[CupWizier]

Lanny, the law went into effect January 1st. It requires grocers to get rid of plastic bags and to charge customers 5 cents for each paper bag the store has to provide. This is supposed to”train” shoppers to bring their own bags.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oregonlive.com/politics/2019/12/come-jan-1-oregonians-must-pay-5-cents-for-paper-grocery-bags.html?outputType=amp

Although Multnomah County implemented the ban on plastic bags several years ago, you are correct that stores are now charging for using paper bags as I was at Winco on Jan. 1st and they charged a nickel for the bag. They had never charged before even though plastic bags were never an option.

 

[CupWizier]

I'm getting through this cold Blazer season by burning plastic bags in the fireplace during games. I'm pretty happy.

Hmmm? That explains a lot. Kind of like the tweakers aka as paint sniffers that use to inhale spray can fumes to get high. Good luck with that.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Although Multnomah County implemented the ban on plastic bags several years ago, you are correct that stores are now charging for using paper bags as I was at Winco on Jan. 1st and they charged a nickel for the bag. They had never charged before even though plastic bags were never an option.

Not all of Multnomah county--just the city of Portland. Stores in Gresham, Fairview, and Wood Village all had been providing plastic bags up until Wednesday.

 

[CupWizier]

Not all of Multnomah county--just the city of Portland. Stores in Gresham, Fairview, and Wood Village all had been providing plastic bags up until Wednesday.

I stand corrected. What gripes me is that it is mandated in the new law that a minimum of a nickel is charged for every paper bag used where as the Portland law that had been in effect didn't require that. I feel the cost should be put on the store rather than the customer.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I stand corrected. What gripes me is that it is mandated in the new law that a minimum of a nickel is charged for every paper bag used where as the Portland law that had been in effect didn't require that. I feel the cost should be put on the store rather than the customer.

You can always trade one empty beer can for two paper bags.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Paper bags suck ass. At least the plastic ones I can reuse as trash bags in my car.

Some groceries are just making plastic bags that are stronger (multiple use) and charging for them now.

 

[e_blazer]

You can always trade one empty beer can for two paper bags.

Ah, the Oregon Bottle Bill. Another bit of useless social engineering. Instead of being able to put the cans in the recycling bin, as they do in most reasonable states, we get to pay 10 cents per can/bottle, collect them for a few months and then go down to joyous bottle recycling center to deal with the lines, broken down sorting machines and wasted time for $10.00 or so in refunds. I used to just say screw it and put them into the recycling anyway, but then the geniuses down at the Oregon Legislature decided that they weren't getting enough bottles and cans returned and doubled the deposit charge. I figure if I continue doing the smart thing and tossing them into the recycling, after a couple more legislative sessions it will cost a dollar a can in deposit charges.

 

[Propagandist]

Paper bags suck ass. At least the plastic ones I can reuse as trash bags in my car.

Unsurprisingly, I feel just the opposite...

Trash bags in your car? Funny.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Unsurprisingly, I feel just the opposite...

Trash bags in your car? Funny.

Just one to put in there to toss my plastic water bottles into!

 

[Propagandist]

Ah, the Oregon Bottle Bill. Another bit of useless social engineering. Instead of being able to put the cans in the recycling bin, as they do in most reasonable states, we get to pay 10 cents per can/bottle, collect them for a few months and then go down to joyous bottle recycling center to deal with the lines, broken down sorting machines and wasted time for $10.00 or so in refunds. I used to just say screw it and put them into the recycling anyway, but then the geniuses down at the Oregon Legislature decided that they weren't getting enough bottles and cans returned and doubled the deposit charge. I figure if I continue doing the smart thing and tossing them into the recycling, after a couple more legislative sessions it will cost a dollar a can in deposit charges.

I looked up the statistics and am surprised. I was with you, and am with you as far as taking the bottles and cans to the recycling centers. Folks dig through our recycling on the curb for them. But check this out:

"Last year, Oregon recycled 90 percent of the beverage containers covered by its bottle deposit system. The rate has jumped from 64 percent just two years ago, and the total number of bottles recycled reached an all-time high of 2 billion in 2018."

So, maybe it does work.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesal...eposit-system-hits-90-percent-redemption-rate

 

[barfo]

Ah, the Oregon Bottle Bill. Another bit of useless social engineering. Instead of being able to put the cans in the recycling bin, as they do in most reasonable states, we get to pay 10 cents per can/bottle, collect them for a few months and then go down to joyous bottle recycling center to deal with the lines, broken down sorting machines and wasted time for $10.00 or so in refunds. I used to just say screw it and put them into the recycling anyway, but then the geniuses down at the Oregon Legislature decided that they weren't getting enough bottles and cans returned and doubled the deposit charge. I figure if I continue doing the smart thing and tossing them into the recycling, after a couple more legislative sessions it will cost a dollar a can in deposit charges.

Use BottleDrop. Get an account, you just drop your bag of bottles and walk away. Plus you get 12 cents back instead of 10.

barfo

 

[Propagandist]

Use BottleDrop. Get an account, you just drop your bag of bottles and walk away. Plus you get 12 cents back instead of 10.

barfo

What the shit. I didn't know about this. How cool.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Question for the lawmakers on this.

What do they plan on doing about all of the other bags that will now be bought to use in bathroom and office garbage cans that these grocery bags so conveniently fit?

Do they not know many people use the bags for this purpose and get a second use out of them, but now this law will negate that second use, but not the bag count if people then need to go buy bags to put in the small garbage cans most people have in their homes?

This is right up there with the straw law...

We are getting dumber by the year......

 

[e_blazer]

Use BottleDrop. Get an account, you just drop your bag of bottles and walk away. Plus you get 12 cents back instead of 10.

barfo

Dang, barfo, I didn't know about that. https://www.bottledropcenters.com/

I'd probably kiss you if it weren't for the stubble and the rum odor.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Dang, barfo, I didn't know about that. https://www.bottledropcenters.com/

I'd probably kiss you if it weren't for the stubble and the rum odor.

@barfo has been buying my empties for 11 cents and returning them for 12 cents. He'll be a millionaire in 80-90 years.

 

[kjironman1]

Portlanders separate their trash into 3 bins, pay extra for it, then it all gets dumped at the landfill.

This is absolute and complete bullshit! I personally know three people who work in the recycling industry.
The funniest part about this is you actually started it off by calling the original post "Fake News" and followed it with some lame brained made up idea that was supposed to make you look smart or something? Idiocracy at it's finest.

 

[kjironman1]

I call bullshit. I happen to know an owner of one of the largest garbage collectors on the west side and they initiated a program years ago where they separated the garbage from the recyclables on site and then transferred it to the appropriate facilities as it was cheaper for disposal rates and many have since followed.

You ain't the only one calling "Bullshit" here.

 

[barfo]

@barfo has been buying my empties for 11 cents and returning them for 12 cents. He'll be a millionaire in 80-90 years.

Don't let anyone tell you persistence doesn't pay off if you follow your dream.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

I call bullshit. I happen to know an owner of one of the largest garbage collectors on the west side and they initiated a program years ago where they separated the garbage from the recyclables on site and then transferred it to the appropriate facilities as it was cheaper for disposal rates and many have since followed.

I believe it was Willamette Week that exposed the illegal scam/taxation fraud by Portland government about a year ago, but it might have been the Oregonian. Yes, they separate recyclables. Then they truck them all to the landfill, except for a few categories that they can sell for a profit.

You call BS on pretty much anything you don't like the sound of, and never bring anything factual to back it up, so...

 

[Lanny]

Lanny, the law went into effect January 1st. It requires grocers to get rid of plastic bags and to charge customers 5 cents for each paper bag the store has to provide. This is supposed to”train” shoppers to bring their own bags.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oregonlive.com/politics/2019/12/come-jan-1-oregonians-must-pay-5-cents-for-paper-grocery-bags.html?outputType=amp

New Year's eve Winco was not charging for paper bags.

 

[Lanny]

I believe it was Willamette Week that exposed the illegal scam/taxation fraud by Portland government about a year ago, but it might have been the Oregonian. Yes, they separate recyclables. Then they truck them all to the landfill, except for a few categories that they can sell for a profit.

You call BS on pretty much anything you don't like the sound of, and never bring anything factual to back it up, so...

This means that you should be providing us with credible evidence supporting your claim.
I know there are some places that do as you describe but I do not know how prevalent it is.

 

[e_blazer]

New Year's eve Winco was not charging for paper bags.

Sure, New Years Eve was still 2019. As of the first, they will be charging 5 cents a bag.

 

[CupWizier]

I believe it was Willamette Week that exposed the illegal scam/taxation fraud by Portland government about a year ago, but it might have been the Oregonian. Yes, they separate recyclables. Then they truck them all to the landfill, except for a few categories that they can sell for a profit.

You call BS on pretty much anything you don't like the sound of, and never bring anything factual to back it up, so...

lmao! I have first hand information from an actual large disposal company and have actually been out there and shown how they separate the recycling and garbage. They pay a lot more to dispose of garbage thus it is cost effective for them to do it that way. You on the other hand say it was so and so or maybe it was so and so that said garbage companies all dump their recyclables along with their garbage at the same place. What facts have you brought. Nothing!!!!

 

[CupWizier]

New Year's eve Winco was not charging for paper bags.

I was charged at Winco yesterday lanny.

 

[Propagandist]

I believe it was Willamette Week that exposed the illegal scam/taxation fraud by Portland government about a year ago, but it might have been the Oregonian. Yes, they separate recyclables. Then they truck them all to the landfill, except for a few categories that they can sell for a profit.

You call BS on pretty much anything you don't like the sound of, and never bring anything factual to back it up, so...

The falsehood spewing fictional character you play is a fraud. I won't summarize the article for you, sorry, but you are mistaken.

https://www.wweek.com/news/2018/06/...se-we-keep-throwing-garbage-in-our-blue-bins/

 

[CupWizier]

@barfo has been buying my empties for 11 cents and returning them for 12 cents. He'll be a millionaire in 80-90 years.

I pulled off a great gain on returnable bottles a few years back. For some reason I had accumulated 7 large garbage bags of returnables and then they went from $.05 to $.10 so I eventually returned them to one of the bottle drop off locations and made double the money of what I paid for them. I think it was like $60 total so instead of the $30 I paid for them I made an extra $30.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I pulled off a great gain on returnable bottles a few years back. For some reason I had accumulated 7 large garbage bags of returnables and then they went from $.05 to $.10 so I eventually returned them to one of the bottle drop off locations and made double the money of what I paid for them. I think it was like $60 total so instead of the $30 I paid for them I made an extra $30.

"Hello IRS..."

 

[CupWizier]

"Hello IRS..."

I'm safe. That $30 profit doesn't change my tax status. Besides, I used the funds to buy some pot and it's taxed so I actually was helping Oregon's tax fund. Reinvest in Oregon!