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Rastapopoulos said:
I have a feeling that this would be Orlando's highest offer:
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And you'd really have to believe in addition by subtraction to go for that.
I looked up the minutes of players like Anthony Black and Tristan De Silva, both of whom I'd like, and there's no way they're giving up either. Even KCP, who's having a HORRIBLE shooting slump, is very much a positive part of their rotation. And Isaac, Bitadze and Mo Wagner are also valued rotation players. I don't think they really feel they need Anfernee, so why offer anything of value?

Here's their pick situation:
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Yeah, that's a terrible trade because those players are on the books longer than Simons. If we trade Simons for "nothing" it should be for expirings.
 
POR is clearly, far and away the worst offensive team. The wins are because Chauncey continues to play JG, AS etc. This is such a huge mistake on his part. Really really inexcusable and proof, imho, of his incompetence. It makes no sense to fight tooth and nail with vets to eek out a win here or there when all it does is lessen the chances of, potentially, drafting a bona fide transformative franchise player. This franchise is in pretty bad shape any way you look at it. The only keepers being Deni and Toumari but neither are ready yet to start for a winning team. Happy to be proven wrong but until I see otherwise SS, SH, and KM are busts. That hurts but what can you do?

The vets must be dealt for picks. A top pick in the upcoming draft is essential.
 
Foxx said:
I don’t think anyone’s value has declined. Most anyone who’d want our vets could easily see for themselves they’re mostly all poor fits for the current Blazers and likely play huge roles on actual contenders.
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I disagree. 1-2 seasons ago his breakout was still fresh and there was a narrative that “well he’s avg 23 a game in his first extended run, he’s only 24, how much better might he get?”

That potential value and upside narrative is now gone. Similar to CJ actually, who we could have traded with picks for PG in his prime. By the time we traded CJ, there was no perceived potential left.
 
Freshtown said:
I disagree. 1-2 seasons ago his breakout was still fresh and there was a narrative that “well he’s avg 23 a game in his first extended run, he’s only 24, how much better might he get?”

That potential value and upside narrative is now gone. Similar to CJ actually, who we could have traded with picks for PG in his prime. By the time we traded CJ, there was no perceived potential left.
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I’ve been saying this for awhile now. One of the traits of a bad GM is holding onto players too long and they get exposed and their value plummets.
 
Cugel said:
POR is clearly, far and away the worst offensive team. The wins are because Chauncey continues to play JG, AS etc. This is such a huge mistake on his part. Really really inexcusable and proof, imho, of his incompetence. It makes no sense to fight tooth and nail with vets to eek out a win here or there when all it does is lessen the chances of, potentially, drafting a bona fide transformative franchise player. This franchise is in pretty bad shape any way you look at it. The only keepers being Deni and Toumari but neither are ready yet to start for a winning team. Happy to be proven wrong but until I see otherwise SS, SH, and KM are busts. That hurts but what can you do?

The vets must be dealt for picks. A top pick in the upcoming draft is essential.
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I mean sure but what’s the alternative? Benching both and playing them 10 min a game? Chauncey is a bad coach who should not return next year but the roster mismatch and unnecessary vets are cronin’s fault.
 
Cugel said:
POR is clearly, far and away the worst offensive team. The wins are because Chauncey continues to play JG, AS etc. This is such a huge mistake on his part. Really really inexcusable and proof, imho, of his incompetence. It makes no sense to fight tooth and nail with vets to eek out a win here or there when all it does is lessen the chances of, potentially, drafting a bona fide transformative franchise player. This franchise is in pretty bad shape any way you look at it. The only keepers being Deni and Toumari but neither are ready yet to start for a winning team. Happy to be proven wrong but until I see otherwise SS, SH, and KM are busts. That hurts but what can you do?

The vets must be dealt for picks. A top pick in the upcoming draft is essential.
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Where's Clingan in your "keepers", if he is not no one else is
 
Cugel said:
POR is clearly, far and away the worst offensive team. The wins are because Chauncey continues to play JG, AS etc. This is such a huge mistake on his part. Really really inexcusable and proof, imho, of his incompetence. It makes no sense to fight tooth and nail with vets to eek out a win here or there when all it does is lessen the chances of, potentially, drafting a bona fide transformative franchise player. This franchise is in pretty bad shape any way you look at it. The only keepers being Deni and Toumari but neither are ready yet to start for a winning team. Happy to be proven wrong but until I see otherwise SS, SH, and KM are busts. That hurts but what can you do?

The vets must be dealt for picks. A top pick in the upcoming draft is essential.
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Freshtown said:
I mean sure but what’s the alternative? Benching both and playing them 10 min a game? Chauncey is a bad coach who should not return next year but the roster mismatch and unnecessary vets are cronin’s fault.
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Holding onto and playing Grant Ayton Ant is idiotic - but that's a failure of Cronin not a failure of Billups.
 
Freshtown said:
I mean sure but what’s the alternative? Benching both and playing them 10 min a game? Chauncey is a bad coach who should not return next year but the roster mismatch and unnecessary vets are cronin’s fault.
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Roster mismatch notwithstanding, the coach should be able to dictate players' usage in a way that would benefit the team. For Ant/Grant/Ayton, sure they should play (when healthy), but <30 mpg, with the understanding that they are to focus primarily on ball-movement, attacking the rim, taking jump-shots only when assisted and in rhythm, and expending the majority of their energy on the defensive end, with the coach being willing to sit them down for extended stretches if they cannot/will not follow that assignment.
 
Blazinaway said:
Where's Clingan in your "keepers", if he is not no one else is
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I like him but do you see him as a starter on a very strong team? Defense and heart are his strengths. His offense is really non-existent and his hands don't seem very "sticky" either. I see a place for him on a roster but probably not as a starter. I would prefer to have a JJJ, EM type. Hell even a Zach Collins type of player that can move and create a bit of offense. That said he is looking like a great defender and teammate and that counts for a lot.

Edit: I think it's possible Joe has to wait to dump Simons and Ayton until they are expiring deals. I mean, at this point, it won't be super surprising to see both in POR uniforms next season. Thybulle and Williams III are attractive cheap options for teams. JG is pricey but maybe there will be a team that will take a flier on him?
 
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Would you do this? Obviously you would if we also get our pick back from Chicago, but how about just adding a bit more protection (like 1-20 instead of 1-14)?
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The puzzle is why the Bulls would do it. Cuz they're kinda dumb? Cuz they don't value cap space?
 

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Cugel said:
POR is clearly, far and away the worst offensive team. The wins are because Chauncey continues to play JG, AS etc. This is such a huge mistake on his part. Really really inexcusable and proof, imho, of his incompetence. It makes no sense to fight tooth and nail with vets to eek out a win here or there when all it does is lessen the chances of, potentially, drafting a bona fide transformative franchise player. This franchise is in pretty bad shape any way you look at it. The only keepers being Deni and Toumari but neither are ready yet to start for a winning team. Happy to be proven wrong but until I see otherwise SS, SH, and KM are busts. That hurts but what can you do?

The vets must be dealt for picks. A top pick in the upcoming draft is essential.
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Even if Grant, Simons left, we'd still struggle with Chauncy as our coach, and our overall bad shooting. Deni, Camara, and Clingan are defensive specialists. Scoot is just...Scoot. Leaving Sharpe as the lone talented offensive player. But he's yet to reach even the league average in TS%.
 
Cugel said:
POR is clearly, far and away the worst offensive team. The wins are because Chauncey continues to play JG, AS etc. This is such a huge mistake on his part. Really really inexcusable and proof, imho, of his incompetence. It makes no sense to fight tooth and nail with vets to eek out a win here or there when all it does is lessen the chances of, potentially, drafting a bona fide transformative franchise player. This franchise is in pretty bad shape any way you look at it. The only keepers being Deni and Toumari but neither are ready yet to start for a winning team. Happy to be proven wrong but until I see otherwise SS, SH, and KM are busts. That hurts but what can you do?

The vets must be dealt for picks. A top pick in the upcoming draft is essential.
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If you think that we're winning BECAUSE of Ant and Ayton, all I can say is you haven't been watching the games.
 
Freshtown said:
Please someone take ayton off our hands

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salaries of mentioned C's:

Ayton - 34M (2 years)
Claxton - 27.6M (4 years - decreasing salaries)
Vucevic - 20M (2 years)
Poeltl - 19.5M (3 years all at 19.5M)
Timelord - 12.4M (2 years)
Valanciunas - 9.9M (3 years)
 
wizenheimer said:
salaries of mentioned C's:

Ayton - 34M (2 years)
Claxton - 27.6M (4 years - decreasing salaries)
Vucevic - 20M (2 years)
Poeltl - 19.5M (3 years all at 19.5M)
Timelord - 12.4M (2 years)
Valanciunas - 9.9M (3 years)
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Excellent. If somebody wants to offload some salaries and a pick for Ayton we could make that work.

I'd take a pick for Timelord as well.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Would you do this? Obviously you would if we also get our pick back from Chicago, but how about just adding a bit more protection (like 1-20 instead of 1-14)?
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The puzzle is why the Bulls would do it. Cuz they're kinda dumb? Cuz they don't value cap space?
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This is basically crap and an unprotected 1st for Jerami Grant. It gets Grant's contract off our books. And that 1st could be used, or packaged to move up in the 2025 draft.

The Kings are under performing, but have a lot invested in their middle aged roster, so they'd be in win now mode.
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beast blazer said:
This is basically crap and an unprotected 1st for Jerami Grant. It gets Grant's contract off our books. And that 1st could be used, or packaged to move up in the 2025 draft.

The Kings are under performing, but have a lot invested in their middle aged roster, so they'd be in win now mode.
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It would need to be their '27 pick to be legal. But yeah, that's not terrible. And then try to rehab Huerter's shot to return him to being a useful player. I could see it.
 
beast blazer said:
This is basically crap and an unprotected 1st for Jerami Grant. It gets Grant's contract off our books. And that 1st could be used, or packaged to move up in the 2025 draft.

The Kings are under performing, but have a lot invested in their middle aged roster, so they'd be in win now mode.
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the Kings have a losing record; they were in the lottery last year. I'd seriously doubt they'd give up an unprotected pick in this 2025 draft for a player like Grant. Too much risk, even though it's small, of it being a top-4 pick. They might do a top-4 protected pick but they'd quite possibly demand top-10 or so; maybe split the difference and land at top-7. That would be a decent trade for Portland, IMO

it would be great if the Blazers could find a taker for Heuter. He's been a fairly solid 3 point threat in his career. But 17M is pretty steep and 18M next season is steeper; and he hasn't been solid from the arc last season or this

by the way, this trade would bump the Blazers just above the tax line. They are 3.7M below so the trade would put them 200K over the line. And they'd have to waive a player, almost certainly Reath. Both are fairly minor issues though but for sure the Blazers would need a follow-up trade to dump some salary

PtldPlatypus said:
It would need to be their '27 pick to be legal. But yeah, that's not terrible. And then try to rehab Huerter's shot to return him to being a useful player. I could see it.
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I didn't even check that; good catch

I'd think that makes it even more unlikely the Kings risk an unprotected pick. Fox will be UFA in 2026; the Kings only have 5 players under contract that season; and Derozan will be 37. They might be a pretty deep lottery team
 
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Starting to worry that we won't be able to unload any of our vets because it's a glutted market. Suddenly there's a slew of teams looking to offload practically their entire roster. Bulls, Pelicans, possibly the Kings. Meanwhile the teams that are succeeding are doing it with a patient build-slowly approach (Orlando, Boston, OKC in particular) and as their core is young they're unlikely to do a classic Brooklyn Nets gamble-on-a-bunch-of-aging-stars approach.

Be prepared to have possibly all three of Ant, Ayton and Jerami still on the roster after the trade deadline. I can see RWIII and (if he ever gets health) Matisse being moved, but I'm pretty pessimistic about the others.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Starting to worry that we won't be able to unload any of our vets because it's a glutted market. Suddenly there's a slew of teams looking to offload practically their entire roster. Bulls, Pelicans, possibly the Kings. Meanwhile the teams that are succeeding are doing it with a patient build-slowly approach (Orlando, Boston, OKC in particular) and as their core is young they're unlikely to do a classic Brooklyn Nets gamble-on-a-bunch-of-aging-stars approach.

Be prepared to have possibly all three of Ant, Ayton and Jerami still on the roster after the trade deadline. I can see RWIII and (if he ever gets health) Matisse being moved, but I'm pretty pessimistic about the others.
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I doubt it. Our five vets (also including Matisse plus rwill) could compose a starting lineup in it of itself. I don’t see a lot of competition for the trade market with our overall available players.
 
wizenheimer said:
the Kings have a losing record; they were in the lottery last year. I'd seriously doubt they'd give up an unprotected pick in this 2025 draft for a player like Grant. Too much risk, even though it's small, of it being a top-4 pick. They might do a top-4 protected pick but they'd quite possibly demand top-10 or so; maybe split the difference and land at top-7. That would be a decent trade for Portland, IMO

it would be great if the Blazers could find a taker for Heuter. He's been a fairly solid 3 point threat in his career. But 17M is pretty steep and 18M next season is steeper; and he hasn't been solid from the arc last season or this

by the way, this trade would bump the Blazers just above the tax line. They are 3.7M below so the trade would put them 200K over the line. And they'd have to waive a player, almost certainly Reath. Both are fairly minor issues though but for sure the Blazers would need a follow-up trade to dump some salary



I didn't even check that; good catch

I'd think that makes it even more unlikely the Kings risk an unprotected pick. Fox will be UFA in 2026; the Kings only have 5 players under contract that season; and Derozan will be 37. They might be a pretty deep lottery team
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The Heuter and Lyles make about 25 mil per year, so it would be a cap savings for Portland, even this year. They probably would protect it, but I think their lineup would be too solid for them to get a top pick anyway. I think they're in the Damian Lillard era Blazer territory, of being too good to suck but not good enough to really complete. So I think they'd be in the same mode we were in, of trying to get talented vets.
 
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