Player Contributions Thus Far This Season

[GrandpaBlaze]

Only providing the stats I track for the predictions game: Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, Blocks, TO's.

Points:
1. Simons - 403
2. Grant - 386
3. Avdija - 319
4. Sharpe - 301
5. Ayton - 242
6. Camara - 237
7. Banton - 235
8. Henderson - 206
9. Clingan - 115
10. Murray - 95
11. Williams III - 75
12. Rupert - 73
13. Walker - 64
14. Reath - 27
15. Moore - 6
16. McGowens - 2


Rebounds:
1. Ayton - 170
2. Avdija - 152
3. Camara - 133
4. Clingan - 130
5. Grant - 87
6. Simons - 67
7. Walker - 65
8. Sharpe - 62
9. Banton - 55
10. Henderson - 51
11. Murray - 48
12. Williams III - 45
13. Rupert - 34
14. Reath - 13
15. Moore - 8
16. Minaya - 1


Assists:
1. Simons - 110
2. Henderson - 96
3. Avdija - 81
4. Banton - 63
5. Grant - 56
6. Camara - 54
7. Sharpe - 45
8. Ayton - 21
9. Murray - 14
10. Walker - 13
11. Rupert & Williams III - 11
12. Clingan - 10
13. Reath - 3
14. McGowens & Moore - 1


Steals:
1. Camara - 36
2. Avdija - 25
3. Grant - 24
4. Banton - 22
5. Simons - 21
6. Henderson - 17
7. Ayton - 15
8. Sharpe - 14
9. Clingan & Murray - 9
10. Walker & Williams III - 8
11. Rupert - 7
12. Moore - 2


Blocks:
1. Clingan - 39
2. Grant - 24
3. Avdija - 19
4. Williams III, Camara, Banton & Ayton - 13
5. Sharpe - 4
6. Henderson, Murray, Walker & Simons - 3
7. Rupert & Reath - 2


Turnovers:
1. Henderson - 54
2. Simons & Avdija - 53
3. Camara - 41
4. Banton - 40
5. Sharpe & Grant - 34
6. Ayton - 31
7. Clingan - 23
8. Rupert & Murray - 12
9. Walker - 11
10. Williams III - 8
11. Moore - 2
12. Reath - 1

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

What strikes me about this is how absolutely average Sharpe is in every category. There is nothing in which he is outstanding. Forgiveness from @Mediocre Man but Sharpe is playing as the ultimate Mediocre Man.

Scoot is outstanding in only one category - turnovers. Sorry, dude, below average in everything except the bad one - there you are exceptional.

Doesn't make me very excited about a future with those two.

 

[andalusian]

What strikes me is that Portland's best player, contribution wise, is Avdija so far...

 

[Phatguysrule]

Scoot is outstanding in only one category - turnovers. Sorry, dude, below average in everything except the bad one - there you are exceptional.

Doesn't make me very excited about a future with those two.

He's second in assists and plays a lot less than the guy at #1

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

Thought I'd check Clingan's per-minute blocks to the top guys on the Blazer all-time list as well as a few other well known-shot blockers we've had:

1. Clingan - .12 blocks per minute
2. Hassan Whiteside - .098 blocks per minute
3. Theo Ratliff - .096
4. Sam Bowie - .087
5. Bill Walton - .076
6. Wayne Cooper - .071
7. Joel Pryzbilla - .067
8. Arvydas Sabonis - .043

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

He's second in assists and plays a lot less than the guy at #1

He may be #2 in assists but plays a lot less than #1, but he is also #1 in turnovers and plays a lot less than #2.

No matter how you slice it, I find him increasingly underwhelming.

 

[THE HCP]

He may be #2 in assists but plays a lot less than #1, but he is also #1 in turnovers and plays a lot less than #2.

No matter how you slice it, I find him increasingly underwhelming.

He’s 20

 

[wizenheimer]

Thought I'd check Clingan's per-minute blocks to the top guys on the Blazer all-time list as well as a few other well known-shot blockers we've had:

1. Clingan - .12 blocks per minute
2. Hassan Whiteside - .098 blocks per minute
3. Theo Ratliff - .096
4. Sam Bowie - .087
5. Bill Walton - .076
6. Wayne Cooper - .071
7. Joel Pryzbilla - .067
8. Arvydas Sabonis - .043

I'm not sure how it could be gauged, but I think those numbers have to be connected to average minutes. Whiteside averaged 30 minutes while Clingan is only averaging 17. I'd think it's a lot easier to chase blocks when you only play half of the minutes of the other guy

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

He’s 20

And last year he was 19. Adding a year to his age hasn't change his underwhelming-ness.

Next year he will be yet another year older and likely still underwhelming.

I've reached the "sunk cost" / cut losses and move on threshold and would not be sad to see him go in a trade.

I've been hoping to see growth and improvement and kind of like Shae, there is the occasional "yeah, maybe he could work out", more often than not it is more of a "why don't we play someone else"?

 

[THE HCP]

And last year he was 19. Adding a year to his age hasn't change his underwhelming-ness.

Next year he will be yet another year older and likely still underwhelming.

I've reached the "sunk cost" / cut losses and move on threshold and would not be sad to see him go in a trade.

I've been hoping to see growth and improvement and kind of like Shae, there is the occasional "yeah, maybe he could work out", more often than not it is more of a "why don't we play someone else"?

Yeah, keep setting the bar high and you’ll continue to be upset. Just like people in here with win predictions. I knew we were getting a kid who was just turned 19. How can you expect him to kill it in the league until he’s played a few years? I certainly didn’t’. I’ll wait to judge like I’ve said before for a few seasons. Especially when he isn’t playing behind these vets. To soon to judge.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Yeah, keep setting the bar high and you’ll continue to be upset. Just like people in here with win predictions. I knew we were getting a kid who was just turned 19. How can you expect him to kill it in the league until he’s played a few years? I certainly didn’t’. I’ll wait to judge like I’ve said before for a few seasons. Especially when he isn’t playing behind these vets. To soon to judge.

Nobody is expecting Scoot to kill it. Yes we see a few 20 year old like Anthony Edwards or Luka in their second years scoring over 20ppg. That is super rare and those end up being hall of fame level players.

Scoot hasn't even been at a level of an NBA backup. At #3 overall just like Luka there was hope he would have a positive impact on the court. Here is a list of PG that by age 20 all scored over 15ppg, ranked by winshare;

Chris Paul
Luka Dončić
Tony Parker
LaMelo Ball
Jamal Murray
Kyrie Irving
Stephon Marbury
Derrick Rose
Brandon Jennings
Kyrie Irving
Ja Morant
Stephon Marbury
Trae Young
LaMelo Ball
Coby White
Isiah Thomas
John Wall
Russell Westbrook
D'Angelo Russell

Unfortunately Scoot isn't the scorer any of those players are nor does he have a positive winshare as they all do.

Not sure what you expected from the #3 overall pick who was sold as being a #1 overall quality. I was hopeful we could at least have a long term starting PG. He isn't close to that level yet and has shown little improvement in two years.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

LaMelo, Kyrie, Marbury are on that list twice as they did it both as 19 year olds and 20 years olds.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I'm not sure how it could be gauged, but I think those numbers have to be connected to average minutes. Whiteside averaged 30 minutes while Clingan is only averaging 17. I'd think it's a lot easier to chase blocks when you only play half of the minutes of the other guy

I'd assume Clingan minutes will go up over the next 3 years so we'll just have to see what his block rate does.

Might be better to compare him with some of the all time NBA block leaders.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Only providing the stats I track for the predictions game: Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, Blocks, TO's.

Points:
1. Simons - 403
2. Grant - 386
3. Avdija - 319
4. Sharpe - 301
5. Ayton - 242
6. Camara - 237
7. Banton - 235
8. Henderson - 206
9. Clingan - 115
10. Murray - 95
11. Williams III - 75
12. Rupert - 73
13. Walker - 64
14. Reath - 27
15. Moore - 6
16. McGowens - 2


Rebounds:
1. Ayton - 170
2. Avdija - 152
3. Camara - 133
4. Clingan - 130
5. Grant - 87
6. Simons - 67
7. Walker - 65
8. Sharpe - 62
9. Banton - 55
10. Henderson - 51
11. Murray - 48
12. Williams III - 45
13. Rupert - 34
14. Reath - 13
15. Moore - 8
16. Minaya - 1


Assists:
1. Simons - 110
2. Henderson - 96
3. Avdija - 81
4. Banton - 63
5. Grant - 56
6. Camara - 54
7. Sharpe - 45
8. Ayton - 21
9. Murray - 14
10. Walker - 13
11. Rupert & Williams III - 11
12. Clingan - 10
13. Reath - 3
14. McGowens & Moore - 1


Steals:
1. Camara - 36
2. Avdija - 25
3. Grant - 24
4. Banton - 22
5. Simons - 21
6. Henderson - 17
7. Ayton - 15
8. Sharpe - 14
9. Clingan & Murray - 9
10. Walker & Williams III - 8
11. Rupert - 7
12. Moore - 2


Blocks:
1. Clingan - 39
2. Grant - 24
3. Avdija - 19
4. Williams III, Camara, Banton & Ayton - 13
5. Sharpe - 4
6. Henderson, Murray, Walker & Simons - 3
7. Rupert & Reath - 2


Turnovers:
1. Henderson - 54
2. Simons & Avdija - 53
3. Camara - 41
4. Banton - 40
5. Sharpe & Grant - 34
6. Ayton - 31
7. Clingan - 23
8. Rupert & Murray - 12
9. Walker - 11
10. Williams III - 8
11. Moore - 2
12. Reath - 1

If those were all calculated per 36, would Avdija lead in every category? (including turnovers )

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

If those were all calculated per 36, would Avdija lead in every category? (including turnovers )

The answer is No. He doesn't play many minutes a game but is healthy so plays all the games. Banton actually leads in points, then Simons and Sharpe.
Rebounds: Clingan, than Ayton
Assists: Scoot
Steals: Correction, Banton leader , then Williams, but Taze Moore actually the winner in very limited minutes
Blocks: Clingan, then Williams, then Banton.
Turnovers: Scoot, Banton clear winners, then Simons and Clingan tied.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Nobody is expecting Scoot to kill it. Yes we see a few 20 year old like Anthony Edwards or Luka in their second years scoring over 20ppg. That is super rare and those end up being hall of fame level players.

Scoot hasn't even been at a level of an NBA backup. At #3 overall just like Luka there was hope he would have a positive impact on the court. Here is a list of PG that by age 20 all scored over 15ppg, ranked by winshare;

Chris Paul
Luka Dončić
Tony Parker
LaMelo Ball
Jamal Murray
Kyrie Irving
Stephon Marbury
Derrick Rose
Brandon Jennings
Kyrie Irving
Ja Morant
Stephon Marbury
Trae Young
LaMelo Ball
Coby White
Isiah Thomas
John Wall
Russell Westbrook
D'Angelo Russell

Unfortunately Scoot isn't the scorer any of those players are nor does he have a positive winshare as they all do.

Not sure what you expected from the #3 overall pick who was sold as being a #1 overall quality. I was hopeful we could at least have a long term starting PG. He isn't close to that level yet and has shown little improvement in two years.

It isn't Scoot's fault fans were suckered into thinking our team would draft anybody worth keeping at #3.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

It isn't Scoot's fault fans were suckered into thinking our team would draft anybody worth keeping at #3.

Plenty of media, scouts, teams, and others were high on Scoot - so its pretty reasonable for many Blazer fans to have got their hopes up.

It's not like we had some big playoff run to sit back and root for or reminisce about. We had finished our second year of tanking, had a roster that made no sense, and were days away from our franchise icon demanding out.

If Blazer fans didn't get excited about a hyped rookie like Scoot - there's just about zero things for Blazer fans to be excited for.

If we somehow get one of Flagg/Bailey/Harper fans are going to get super hyped as well. That won't be "suckered into" anything - that would just be hoping for something of a damn while the team will be in their 5th year of losing and tanking.

That pressure on Scoot of being a top 3 pick just goes with the territory. NBA players get huge paychecks and tons of endorsement opportunities. The flip side is they have expectations and pressure.

 

[wizenheimer]

I certainly remember a ton of pre-draft hype for Scoot

"would be the #1 pick in a normal draft"

"best PG prospect in a decade"

" athleticism like Russell Westbrook"

* a more than worthy replacement for Dame"

the gap between the hype and the reality is gigantic

 

[Everything Beagle]

I certainly remember a ton of pre-draft hype for Scoot

"would be the #1 pick in a normal draft"

"best PG prospect in a decade"

" athleticism like Russell Westbrook"

* a more than worthy replacement for Dame"

the gap between the hype and the reality is gigantic

I was suckered by this too, yeah.

 

[Cugel]

Deni and Toumani are the base. Two very talented players that aren’t afraid to play defense and have excellent size. No more small guys.

 

[Stevenson]

I certainly remember a ton of pre-draft hype for Scoot

"would be the #1 pick in a normal draft"

"best PG prospect in a decade"

" athleticism like Russell Westbrook"

* a more than worthy replacement for Dame"

the gap between the hype and the reality is gigantic

I remember at the time seeing story about how Scoot's family, especially his sisters, had become very media savvy. That they were the ones, behind the scenes, who were responsible for a lot of the buzz about Scoot. And I thought, "uh oh."

But I believed it too.

 

[blazerkor]

I think when the OP is posting macro stats, it's probably important for context to see how man games and minutes each of our players have played so far this season.

Games:
Deni 26
Tou 26
Jerami 24
Dalano 24
Ant 23
Jabari 21
Kris 21
Rayan 21
Scoot 19
Donovan 19
Shaedon 18
Deandre 17
Duop 13
Rob 8
Taze 2
Justin 1
Bryce 1

Minutes:
Tou 790.4
Jerami 789.6
Ant 710.7
Deni 691.6
Shaedon 554.4
Deandre 513.4
Scoot 486.4
Dalano 400.8
Donovan 324.9
Kris 266.7
Jabari 233.1
Rayan 222.6
Rob 148
Duop 83.2
Taze 20
Juston 6
Bryce 3

So yeah I've been impressed with Tou and Deni on a game to game level like most of you but the stats in the OP are obviously going to favor the two guys who have played the most games. One being the team leader in minutes played and the other being fourth on the team in minutes played.

 

[Blazinaway]

What strikes me is that Portland's best player, contribution wise, is Avdija so far...

Not surprising, he's a very good all-around player, IMO best player on this team which is sorta sad because as much as I like the way he plays he's a perfect 3rd/4th option type guy on a good team

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Agreed Scoot has been underwhelming. However, I'm honestly not sure whether it's his fault or the coaches fault.

Scoot seems like he's overthinking it. He feels very "Leashed".

 

[Phatguysrule]

Agreed Scoot has been underwhelming. However, I'm honestly not sure whether it's his fault or the coaches fault.

Scoot seems like he's overthinking it. He feels very "Leashed".

Exactly.