Player Recap: Jamal Crawford

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">?Once he understands, there's not going to be too many two-guards better than him, other than the elite ones, Kobe Bryant and Tracy McGrady. Once he gets stronger and understands, it's going to be over. He can shoot and drive. It's a nasty combination." ? Stephon Marbury

?I think Jamal's going to be a terrific player, I really do. He's figuring it out now. It looks to me he's trying to play the right way. He's not racing down the court and firing shots up. He's trying to play within the offense. It takes a player a year to adjust unless they walk into a ready-made team and it's not.? ? Pacers president/CEO Donnie Walsh

?I?m still learning, man. I?m so far from being a finished product. I have so far to go, and I?m willing to get better and willing to learn.? -- Jamal Crawford

SEASON HIGHS:
POINTS: 41 (Dec 4 at Charlotte)
ASSISTS: 12* (March 15 vs. Miami)
REBOUNDS: 7, twice
30+ SCORING GAMES: 8
40+ SCORING GAMES: 2
10+ ASSIST GAMES: 2

THE SEASON
Fifth-year pro made auspicious Big Apple debut by scoring a career-high 17.7 ppg (second on team to Marbury?s 21.7), adding 4.3 apg (also second on squad) and 2.9 rpg over 38.4 mpg in 70 games (67 starts). . .Shot .398 from the field (437-1097 FGA). . .Went 185-512 (.361) from Downtown, leading Knicks in 3PT FGM with second-highest single-season home run total in club annals. . .Notched a team-leading and career-high .843 FT pct. (182-216 FTA), his third straight .800+ season from the line. . .Has increased his scoring average in each of his first five NBA seasons.

Led Knicks in scoring 26 times, assists 10 times. . .Authored 30 20+ scoring games, eight 30+ games and two 40+ efforts. . .Now owns 18 career 30+ games and four 40+ games, to go along with career-high 50 points for Bulls at Toronto, April 11, 2004. . .Dished off 10+ assists twice, in back-to-back games (career high-tying 12 on March 15 vs. Heat, 10 on March 18 vs. Hawks) and now has eight career 10+ assist games.</div>
Knicks.com
It?s seems like just yesterday we were so excited about newly acquired Jamal Crawford from the Bulls. Originally thought to be the 6th man, Crawford played more than he was supposed to due to the injury of Knicks? sharpshooter, Allan Houston. Now his season is done and as we look back at it I wonder how does everyone think it?s gone?

Crawford is a good player and has many features to his game. Probably his most noticeable aspect of his game is the excitement he brings. Crawford is probably the Knicks most exciting player on the Knicks roster (50% agreed on 5/16/05) and watching him will definitely put you on the edge of your seat. Some of his highlights included his self-assist off the backboard and dunking, hitting a buzzer-beater in Houston to defeat the Rockets, and of course the numerous ankles he?s broken not to mention making David Wesley fall!

In addition, Crawford has had some great scoring outings including two 40 point games and has shot a career high in 3-Point Field Goal Percentage (not including his 23 game sophomore season). He?s also been a great role model and a gentleman representing the Knicks well.

While Crawford has tons of talent, his biggest knock is his shot selection. Crawford has always been criticized for his ill-advised shots throughout his career and isn?t shooting 40%+ from the field. He has told the coaching staff on many occasions to tell him about his decision making and he is taking better shots, however, it still isn?t to the liking of me nor any Knick fan for that matter. I think trying to fill in the shoes of Allan Houston, has caused him to do too much. The common misconception of Crawford is that he is selfish which is not at all true. Crawford is a natural point guard playing shooting guard and as a result, he makes some bad decisions because of the mismatches not in his favor.

Crawford can also learn not to settle for so many jumpers. He has the speed, quickness, and ballhandling ability to be a devastating driver, but he settles for too many jumpers as can be seen from the number of 3-Point attempts in comparison to free throw attempts he takes. Once he improves on that, he?ll be set.

I have a lot of confidence in Crawford and I think he will improve drastically in the offseason especially mentally. An improved shot selection and decision making on the court is what I hope to see more of on the court for him next year. I think this year he will shut all of the doubters and haters up.

 

[Tribute to H2O]

Crawford has the potential to be a premier shooting guard in the league. There arent many players who can stay in front of him when he wants to go to the basket and when you throw in his respectable jumper he should be nearly impossible to guard. If he wanted to be he could be an All Star...but that's not going to happen.

If he would stop shooting so many treys and start attacking the basket he would be so much more effective. If he decided to step inside the arc and shoot from the midrange area his shooting percentage would be much better. But I doubt any of this is going to happen. For some odd reason he has it in his head that he's a sharpshooter when he isnt. He also doesnt play good defense despite having the quickness and long arms. Then there's his shot selection which is...pretty bad. Sometimes I wonder if he has any basketball IQ.

I know some people are expecting big things out of Crawford next season but he wont be noticeably different next season. Hopefully we'll be able to bring him off the bench next season because right now he's better suited as an explosive sixth man. Who knows maybe the experience of coming off the bench will help him mature as a player and realize his full potential.

And for the last time Crawford is not a natural point guard. He's a two guard with better than average ball handling who doesnt understand the concept of a bad shot. That is why Crawford has played the point before because when he's playing the shooting guard position he doesnt know whether to pass or shoot. But if he's playing the point he knows his job is to pass. So can people please stop saying he's a natural point guard??? Thank you!



Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.

 

[Custodianrules2]

Well said, Tribute

I kind of believe that Jamal Crawford is so much in between, he's better off being used as a utility guy rather than a starting two guard. I'm sure if the Knicks find a replacement for Allan Houston that can consistently score, defend and make good decisions with the ball, Crawford can go in when the shooting guards are too slow to guard him or the point guards are too small to defend him. Hopefully this mismatch will make Crawford outweigh his own weaknesses on the defensive end by being able to score more easily or dish out assists based on dribble penetration. I'm not sure if he's strong enough to post up any point guard in the league, but he should work on that strength conditioning so that he's got more versatility. He's such a streak shot, he's got to make up for when he's not feeling it by creating for others and trying to make an effort on D.

I think if the Knicks have at least 3 guys on the perimeter that can play individual D and team D, it puts less stress on the guys that guard the interior. Knicks situation is much like the 2002 Warriors situation when nobody on the starting 5 played any defense, except for Erick Dampier. They could score, but who cares because the other team could do it even easier and just trade baskets. Now Kurt Thomas plays some solid D, but they're playing him at center? That's not really his position at 6'9 and he doesn't even like it. Stephon Marbury's not that great of a defender, Crawford is kind of poor, Tim Thomas isn't good, Sweetney can't block shots even with the long wingspan or defend in transition. Damn, Isiah should be fired for allowing the lineup to get this messed up. What the heck? Anyway, Knicks fans be glad that Isiah can definitely draft some players with potential.

 

[ChicagoSportsFan]

Jamal has to work on his shot, Gain a little weight, and hell be okay. but his biggest down fall in my opinion is his descision making. If he spent some time watching tape of himself hed see where alot of his shots were out of rythem and out of the offence. until then hes gonna be a off where ever he may end up.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

I have to agree to a certain extent with what you said about Crawford coming off the bench, CR2. Crawford tends to feel obligated to shoot early on in the game, and then in the 2nd-3rd quarter he'd have reservations about hoisting it. What would help him off the bench would be the discipline, which Crawford desperately needs. The only thing that worries me with him coming off the bench is that he may get frantic, and from that point on he would start putting up shots with every single chance he gets; that would intensify the problem at hand.

One thing of very many that I want Crawford to improve his shot fakes. He tends to hesitate on three's in the 1st-2nd quarter. Then when it comes time to the 3rd and 4th, he starts to shoot far too quickly. I wish he could learn to balance it out, all the while appropriately applying pump fakes. Crawford can be found on the perimeter employing needless pump fakes, or he'd put up some contested three's without even coming close to performing a pump fake, and that is a serious problem. Too many times in this past season I saw Crawford's defender put his hands over Crawford's eyes, and all of that really messes him up.

Shot selction is putrid, shoots too much and takes too many bad shots. Nothing more to say, he flat-out needs some disclipline.
Crawford often goes with crossovers for no point, just doing it to get the crowd into it. And that damages any tempo he builds. I've seen him make a few good shots in a row, then he pulled out a random crossover on nobody, then he took a shot and missed by quite a bit. He's got to tone down his game in that sense. He has to alter his game and how he's played throughout his career to suit the Knicks and their offensive plans, he hasn't applied himself there.

These kinks along with his defense (which needs a lot of attention this summer) need to be worked out before he can be considered a start-quality player.
And lastly, he simply needs to get smarter in terms of playing the NBA game! He gives off no proof that he knows a substantial amount about basketball.

 

[Tribute to H2O]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Well said, Tribute

I kind of believe that Jamal Crawford is so much in between, he's better off being used as a utility guy rather than a starting two guard. I'm sure if the Knicks find a replacement for Allan Houston that can consistently score, defend and make good decisions with the ball, Crawford can go in when the shooting guards are too slow to guard him or the point guards are too small to defend him. Hopefully this mismatch will make Crawford outweigh his own weaknesses on the defensive end by being able to score more easily or dish out assists based on dribble penetration. I'm not sure if he's strong enough to post up any point guard in the league, but he should work on that strength conditioning so that he's got more versatility. He's such a streak shot, he's got to make up for when he's not feeling it by creating for others and trying to make an effort on D.

I think if the Knicks have at least 3 guys on the perimeter that can play individual D and team D, it puts less stress on the guys that guard the interior. Knicks situation is much like the 2002 Warriors situation when nobody on the starting 5 played any defense, except for Erick Dampier. They could score, but who cares because the other team could do it even easier and just trade baskets. Now Kurt Thomas plays some solid D, but they're playing him at center? That's not really his position at 6'9 and he doesn't even like it. Stephon Marbury's not that great of a defender, Crawford is kind of poor, Tim Thomas isn't good, Sweetney can't block shots even with the long wingspan or defend in transition. Damn, Isiah should be fired for allowing the lineup to get this messed up. What the heck? Anyway, Knicks fans be glad that Isiah can definitely draft some players with potential.</div>

Thanks! Find a replacement for Houston that can score, defend and make good decisions?? Do they even make players like that anymore??? If/when Houston comes back we'll be fine. He can score(better than anyone on the team) and make good decisions(probably better than anyone on the team). He's not a particularly good defender...but hey 2 out of 3 isnt bad. Crawford will be a nice spark off the bench and have a distinct edge since he'll be playing against the other team's 2nd unit. Plus if he continues to add muscle he'll be able to post up other point guards(I want him to play point guard until he understands the meaning of a bad shot). Knicks Analyst, what you said about Crawford needing discipline is absolutely true! Having him come off the bench would definetely help with that. I am still convinced Crawford will learn much under Houston(as he learned much under Starks) about how to play and help him mature.

The Knicks issues on defense are serious. The only guys who really play defense for us arent the kind of guys you want starting for you(JYD, Ariza, etc....). When you have a bunch of offensive minded guys like the Knicks have I think the coach is responsible for getting the team to play defense. Like Avery in Dallas. He took a bunch an offensive oriented team and got it to play some defense. It's the coach's job to instill that mentality or at the very least to come up with ways that make up for poor individual defense(i.e. zone defense). So while it's also the player's fault for poor effort on defense I think the coach is to blame the most. So the coach has to be the one to improve the Knicks defense(whoever it will be) and Isiah getting a shot blocker would help too. And another thing custodian(dont mind if I call you custodian do you?), Sweetney doesnt have long arms and he gets back in transition just fine, at least he gets back in time to defend his own man or the other big.


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.

 

[Custodianrules2]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Thanks! Find a replacement for Houston that can score, defend and make good decisions?? Do they even make players like that anymore??? If/when Houston comes back we'll be fine. He can score(better than anyone on the team) and make good decisions(probably better than anyone on the team). He's not a particularly good defender...but hey 2 out of 3 isnt bad. Crawford will be a nice spark off the bench and have a distinct edge since he'll be playing against the other team's 2nd unit. Plus if he continues to add muscle he'll be able to post up other point guards(I want him to play point guard until he understands the meaning of a bad shot). Knicks Analyst, what you said about Crawford needing discipline is absolutely true! Having him come off the bench would definetely help with that. I am still convinced Crawford will learn much under Houston(as he learned much under Starks) about how to play and help him mature.

The Knicks issues on defense are serious. The only guys who really play defense for us arent the kind of guys you want starting for you(JYD, Ariza, etc....). When you have a bunch of offensive minded guys like the Knicks have I think the coach is responsible for getting the team to play defense. Like Avery in Dallas. He took a bunch an offensive oriented team and got it to play some defense. It's the coach's job to instill that mentality or at the very least to come up with ways that make up for poor individual defense(i.e. zone defense). So while it's also the player's fault for poor effort on defense I think the coach is to blame the most. So the coach has to be the one to improve the Knicks defense(whoever it will be) and Isiah getting a shot blocker would help too. And another thing custodian(dont mind if I call you custodian do you?), Sweetney doesnt have long arms and he gets back in transition just fine, at least he gets back in time to defend his own man or the other big.


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.</div>
Custodian or CR2 is fine

Thanks for the feedback. I was certain that during some Knicks games it was Mike Sweetney who got smoked a couple times, but it might not have been him. All I know is he's not a great athlete and he seems like the player more suited for the half court game. I still think he's a good player worth keeping, though.

As for Knicks playing some team defense, that would help. Mavs have had some of the better wing defenders in Michael Finley, Josh Howard, and Marquis Daniels, and now with Jason Terry and minus Steve Nash. They've also added Erick Dampier who can be a big presence on the defensive end. The Mavs of the old who did not having a true defensive center, a soft power forward or a great on the ball defender (at point guard) kind of hurts any team's defense, but with a motivated Dampier, an aggressive Dirk Nowitzki and better defensive players the Mavs look pretty good. One thing about New York is I just don't get why Starbury isn't a great defender. He's already super strong, big and quick. I think with the backcourt of Jamal Crawford and Starbury, the Knicks will have to use a lot of team D to force turnovers and deny entry passes because the starting 5 has some mediocre to weak defenders in there that can't handle players by themselves if they play one-on-one. I thought the Knicks were doing okay with Lenny, but Herb Williams to me wasn't that great. But hey, who else can you hire in the middle of the season when the Czar and George Karl are already taken.

Who would be a coach that could turn the Knicks around?

 

[Custodianrules2]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">I have to agree to a certain extent with what you said about Crawford coming off the bench, CR2. Crawford tends to feel obligated to shoot early on in the game, and then in the 2nd-3rd quarter he'd have reservations about hoisting it. What would help him off the bench would be the discipline, which Crawford desperately needs. The only thing that worries me with him coming off the bench is that he may get frantic, and from that point on he would start putting up shots with every single chance he gets; that would intensify the problem at hand.

One thing of very many that I want Crawford to improve his shot fakes. He tends to hesitate on three's in the 1st-2nd quarter. Then when it comes time to the 3rd and 4th, he starts to shoot far too quickly. I wish he could learn to balance it out, all the while appropriately applying pump fakes. Crawford can be found on the perimeter employing needless pump fakes, or he'd put up some contested three's without even coming close to performing a pump fake, and that is a serious problem. Too many times in this past season I saw Crawford's defender put his hands over Crawford's eyes, and all of that really messes him up.

Shot selction is putrid, shoots too much and takes too many bad shots. Nothing more to say, he flat-out needs some disclipline.
Crawford often goes with crossovers for no point, just doing it to get the crowd into it. And that damages any tempo he builds. I've seen him make a few good shots in a row, then he pulled out a random crossover on nobody, then he took a shot and missed by quite a bit. He's got to tone down his game in that sense. He has to alter his game and how he's played throughout his career to suit the Knicks and their offensive plans, he hasn't applied himself there.

These kinks along with his defense (which needs a lot of attention this summer) need to be worked out before he can be considered a start-quality player.
And lastly, he simply needs to get smarter in terms of playing the NBA game! He gives off no proof that he knows a substantial amount about basketball.</div> Gotcha. Well the guy does struggle with when to shoot and when to pass. Aside from defense, the guy has been looking pretty explosive. I like those players that can just rail in shots again and again (but decision-making will make it hard for him to be consistent). He can definitely break down defenses. But man that defense...

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Crawford has the potential to be a premier shooting guard in the league. There arent many players who can stay in front of him when he wants to go to the basket and when you throw in his respectable jumper he should be nearly impossible to guard. If he wanted to be he could be an All Star...but that's not going to happen.</div>
I think you?re giving up on him too soon. Crawford just needs time and I think he?ll show it next season.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If he would stop shooting so many treys and start attacking the basket he would be so much more effective. If he decided to step inside the arc and shoot from the midrange area his shooting percentage would be much better. But I doubt any of this is going to happen. For some odd reason he has it in his head that he's a sharpshooter when he isnt. He also doesnt play good defense despite having the quickness and long arms. Then there's his shot selection which is...pretty bad. Sometimes I wonder if he has any basketball IQ.</div>
You?re right, but the thing is, Crawford has players who are bigger and much stronger than him so it?s not so easy for him to just take it to the basket on a consistent basis. You mention Crawford being a defensive liability, but a good reason for it is because of his weight and size. Playing defense on shooting guards he?s just asking to be abused in the low post. Crawford is a very capable shooter it?s just some of the shots that he takes ill-advised shots he takes kills his percentages. Despite launching up reckless treys all the time, he shoots at a respectable 36% from there which is more than the league average.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I know some people are expecting big things out of Crawford next season but he wont be noticeably different next season. Hopefully we'll be able to bring him off the bench next season because right now he's better suited as an explosive sixth man. Who knows maybe the experience of coming off the bench will help him mature as a player and realize his full potential.</div>
Again, I think you?re being a little too harsh. While I would want Crawford to come off the bench with instant offense, I think he will improve his game this offseason. He is a hard worker from what I have heard and I believe he can reach is full potential with or without the assistance of the bench.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And for the last time Crawford is not a natural point guard. He's a two guard with better than average ball handling who doesnt understand the concept of a bad shot. That is why Crawford has played the point before because when he's playing the shooting guard position he doesnt know whether to pass or shoot. But if he's playing the point he knows his job is to pass. So can people please stop saying he's a natural point guard??? Thank you!</div>
Crawford has been a point guard all of his life. He isn?t a shooting guard. In high school, and at Michigan State, even when he was with the Bulls early on his career, he always played point guard. A part of the reason why he hasn?t bulked up is because he is wasn?t expected to play shooting guard consistently. Even his own teammate Marbury who has played with him on numerous occasions be it practice, or games said ?Actually, Jamal is a scoring point guard.? His decision making has left us with a lot to be desired, but I don?t think that?s the only attribute in determining a good point guard. Crawford is young adjusting from one team to another, going from this coach to that coach, and playing this position to the next. That?s tough to deal with. Add that to the fact Crawford is playing against players taller and strong than him on a gamely basis. It?s not his fault he was given a huge role that he wasn?t ready for. When Crawford plays point guard for us, it?s obvious he?s a great fit because the results of the team. The fluency of team is so much better. Another reason why he will make a good point guard is the height he has. He will play against players who he will have 2-3 inches on consistently which will increase the accuracy of his shots, and he will be able to see over defenders better which will increase the accuracy of his courtvision.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post"> I kind of believe that Jamal Crawford is so much in between, he's better off being used as a utility guy rather than a starting two guard. I'm sure if the Knicks find a replacement for Allan Houston that can consistently score, defend and make good decisions with the ball, Crawford can go in when the shooting guards are too slow to guard him or the point guards are too small to defend him. Hopefully this mismatch will make Crawford outweigh his own weaknesses on the defensive end by being able to score more easily or dish out assists based on dribble penetration. I'm not sure if he's strong enough to post up any point guard in the league, but he should work on that strength conditioning so that he's got more versatility. He's such a streak shot, he's got to make up for when he's not feeling it by creating for others and trying to make an effort on D.</div>
I think Crawford is so much better at point guard for the reasons I mentioned to Tribute.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I think if the Knicks have at least 3 guys on the perimeter that can play individual D and team D, it puts less stress on the guys that guard the interior. Knicks situation is much like the 2002 Warriors situation when nobody on the starting 5 played any defense, except for Erick Dampier. They could score, but who cares because the other team could do it even easier and just trade baskets. Now Kurt Thomas plays some solid D, but they're playing him at center? That's not really his position at 6'9 and he doesn't even like it. Stephon Marbury's not that great of a defender, Crawford is kind of poor, Tim Thomas isn't good, Sweetney can't block shots even with the long wingspan or defend in transition. Damn, Isiah should be fired for allowing the lineup to get this messed up. What the heck? Anyway, Knicks fans be glad that Isiah can definitely draft some players with potential.</div>
I agree, I would love that but it will take some trades and players in the draft to get that which is why I support that trade he made at the deadline. Although undersized with a big contract, Malik Rose gives us experience and defense and I believe he will give us tremendous energy off the bench. The key to the deal were the two 1st rounders we got from San Antonio though. As you said, Isiah can draft and although they are late, with these picks he can draft a very good player. Taylor expires when Houston is gone when some of the good free agents become available. He also gives us a very reliable spark off the bench and instant offense. Kurt Thomas was definitely temporarily at center, there?s no way he?s doing it for a whole ?nother season. Isiah is look through trade, free agency, and the draft for answers at our center position. Trust me, he won?t do it next season

 

[CB4 RAPTOR MVP]

Why are you guys talking about Jamal Crawford? Say all you want about his "upside" but look at the teams he's been on. When he was with the Bulls they sucked, he leaves and there the fourth seed in the east. he comes to the knicks and they absolutely suck with him. He's a good individual player, but he's one of the work team players in theleague. Anyway the Knicks are done since they're in Toronto Raptors' division andn CB4 is the truth.
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Please use proper grammar/diction in your posts. Thank you. - Knicks Analyst</font>

 

[Beat]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CB4 RAPTOR MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">Y R U GUYS TALKIN ABOUT JAMAL CRAWFORD. say all u want about his "upside" but look at the teams hes been on. when he was with the bulls they sucked, he leaves and there the fourth seed in the east. he comes to the knicks n they absolutely suck with him. hes a good individual player, but hes one of the work team players in theleague. any way the knicks r done since there in torontos division n CB4 IS THE TRUTH</div>
OK he leaves and the pick up Gordan Deng and Nociona(?). Dont make it seem like its the only reason they're better is because Crawford left.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CB4 RAPTOR MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">Y R U GUYS TALKIN ABOUT JAMAL CRAWFORD. say all u want about his "upside" but look at the teams hes been on. when he was with the bulls they sucked, he leaves and there the fourth seed in the east. he comes to the knicks n they absolutely suck with him. hes a good individual player, but hes one of the work team players in theleague.</div>
When he came to the Knicks, they were severly injury riddled. And then when he leaves the Bulls, they get Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, and Andres Noccioni. You forgot to mention that.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">any way the knicks r done since there in torontos division n CB4 IS THE TRUTH</div>

 

[CB4 RAPTOR MVP]

Haha we'll see who's laughiing next year when New York is 20-60 with the highest payroll in the league (lol). And the Raps win the Atlantic and Bosh makes 1st-Team & All Star.

<font color="Red">Please edit your own posts for grammar. - Knicks Analyst</font>

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CB4 RAPTOR MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">Haha Will See Who Laffin Next Year Wen New York Is 20-60 With The Highest Payroll In The League (lolllllll) And The Raps Win The Atlantic N Bosh Is 1st Team All Star</div>

 

[CB4 RAPTOR MVP]

Knicks Payroll Highest In League - 200 Mil
Jamal Crawford - Overrated
Isiah Thomas - Worst Gm In Nba

Knicks Cellar Dwellars Forever - Priceless

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CB4 RAPTOR MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">Knicks Payroll Highest In League - 200 Mil
Jamal Crawford - Overrated
Isiah Thomas - Worst Gm In Nba

Knicks Cellar Dwellars Forever - Priceless</div>
1. Do your research, it's not 200 million, it's much lower than that. It shows how much you know about the Knicks.
2. I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
3. Thomas > Babcock

Anyway, let's stick to the topic. I could careless about what you think about the Knicks. Please do us a favor and post relevant, intelligent posts. Thanks.

 

[CB4 RAPTOR MVP]

all i was sayin was the knicks payroll is the highest in the L n they didnt make the playoffs. Am i right?

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CB4 RAPTOR MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">all i was sayin was the knicks payroll is the highest in the L n they didnt make the playoffs. Am i right?</div>
Yes, the injury riddled Knicks did not make the playoffs, and this is irrelevant, right?

 

[QbanBalla15]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CB4 RAPTOR MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">Y R U GUYS TALKIN ABOUT JAMAL CRAWFORD. say all u want about his "upside" but look at the teams hes been on. when he was with the bulls they sucked, he leaves and there the fourth seed in the east. he comes to the knicks n they absolutely suck with him. hes a good individual player, but hes one of the work team players in theleague. any way the knicks r done since there in torontos division n CB4 IS THE TRUTH</div>



if im not mistaken the raps wer last in the division werent they? So u shud just shut up.

 

[CB4 RAPTOR MVP]

haha u know nothing do u lol. the raps finished fourth in the atlantic n the KNICKS FINISHED LAST. lol u know nothin about the nba

 

[QbanBalla15]

if i didnt i wudnt post on this site <strike>retard</strike>, and by the way they tied 4 last smart 1.

<font color="Red">Enough of the childish insults please. If you can't make your point(s) in an intelligent manner, then please don't try to make any at all. - Knicks Analyst</font>

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CB4 RAPTOR MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">haha u know nothing do u lol. the raps finished fourth in the atlantic n the KNICKS FINISHED LAST. lol u know nothin about the nba</div>
They were tied for the same record. You shouldn't be so happy having the same record as a lottery team.

For the last time, CB4 RAPTOR MVP, please stay on topic.

 

[QbanBalla15]

Back to the topic at hand. I think Crawford is oing to be a great player and a future all star. I think eventually he will be more important to the knicks than marbury.

 

[Mr. J]

I agree with you, QBanBalla. Crawford will definitely be more important than Marbury eventually.

 

[CB4 RAPTOR MVP]

crawford more imprtant then marbury? how can u say that. marburys a top 5 pg in the league n hes all the knicks have goin for them. at best crawfrd mite just squeak in as top 10-15

 

[CB4 RAPTOR MVP]

crawford more imprtant then marbury? how can u say that. marburys a top 5 pg in the league n hes all the knicks have goin for them. at best crawfrd mite just squeak in as top 10-15 sg

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CB4 RAPTOR MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">crawford more imprtant then marbury? how can u say that. marburys a top 5 pg in the league n hes all the knicks have goin for them. at best crawfrd mite just squeak in as top 10-15 sg</div>
The key word was eventually.

 

[QbanBalla15]

next time just edit your post. IF marbury's so good why hasnt he ever done anything for his teams. Hes been traded three times i wouldnt be suprised if he get6s the axe from new york in the next few seasons because of them not winning. If im correct has marbury never gotten out of the first round with players on his team like KG, Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudmire. Lets put him bak on Phoenix and see where they go.

 

[CB4 RAPTOR MVP]

i know. but i dont agree

 

[Nasty]

I agree with the notion that Crawford is more important to Knicks future than Marbury, and it doesn't have much to do with age.

With the way Steph plays, he has to have the ball to be effective. Also, his defence is nothing to brag about. You can't build a championship team with a guy like him since his ego won't allow him to differ to others for long.