PLAYERS GONE AFTER THE SEASON

[yankeesince59]

yeah... but 0.438 K/game (16 games) in 2012, 0.585 K/game (159 games) in 2011, 0.673 K/game (150 games) in 2010, 0.241 K/game (108 games) in 2009, 0.714 K/game (42 games) in 2008. Career average of 0.642 K/game... so in Gardner's worst year (this year by far) he's basically the same as Granderson's best year in pinstripes... Gardner also has 24 steals this year on a down year while Granderson has 7 (comes out to about 21 if it were a full season) on a better year in that sense... so Gardner's having a worse year and for everything other than HR & SLG, Gardner's seem better. I'm not saying there's a better option out there... but how can you expect so much in someone who strikes out so much?

...but the point was that Granderson is a higher OPS guy while Gardner is a slap hitting leadoff man and should not be striking out so often.

 

[rickysapreal]

...but the point was that Granderson is a higher OPS guy while Gardner is a slap hitting leadoff man and should not be striking out so often.

yea that is his biggest problem right now i agree. as long as he doesnt cost over 5 million then i think hes a good deal. his on base percentage was well over league average this year and he is the yanks rock in the outfield. if it came to a point where he wants something like 10 million then no way. u have to cut him loose at that kind of contract imo

 

[yankeesince59]

yea that is his biggest problem right now i agree. as long as he doesnt cost over 5 million then i think hes a good deal. his on base percentage was well over league average this year and he is the yanks rock in the outfield. if it came to a point where he wants something like 10 million then no way. u have to cut him loose at that kind of contract imo

...ricky, the thing that mystifies me the most about Gardner is why so many people point to him seeing a lot of pitches as such a plus...working the count is fine when facing some pitchers but it does generally work in your favor as much when facing elite pitching. I don't care who you are, when a good pitcher gets ahead of you in the count, you're in trouble. Pitchers don't want to walk him for obvious reasons, and so Gardner needs to be looking for that first FB right down the middle and swinging instead of always taking it and being down 0-1 in the count.


...here's a little tidbit for you concerning Gardner in particular...when Gardner is down 0-2 his career BA is .170 ...when down 1-2 his BA is .207 ...when the count is 2-2 his BA is .208...........................but, on the first pitch his career BA is ........................ .379 ...yup.


http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=gardnbr01&year=Career&t=b#count

 

[rickysapreal]

im in that camp with you. i think the only time seeing a lot of pitches has benefits is the first time up for a leadoff hitter. the guy on deck and players in the dugout can get a feel for the velocity, rhythm of the pitcher and sometimes the break on his pitches if he doesnt come with all fastballs. to me that has some importance. but after that i dont see it being real important the second, third and fourth time thru. he seems like a selective hitter that looks for something outer half more than inside. i dont think hes a great player but i think he has a place on the team as a cheap contract that produces pretty good especially compared to some of the crazy contracts on the yanks

 

[yankeesince59]

...^^^not sure if they'll offer arbitration or simply ink him to a longer term deal...I'd think the longer deal is more likely...but since he's now on the other side of 30, I'm thinking 4 years, with maybe at most, a TEAM option/buyout for a 5th year. I say this because Gardner's wheels are what makes him what he is...and I would think that by age 34-35 he'll lose a good bit of his speed and will be more prone to injury.

 

[cagedlion]

I HAVE NO TRUST IN YANKEE MANAGEMENT, from the owners down.
They will continue to do patch work on this team.....it is bad enough
they do not know talent, but to spend unwisely on 'dreck' is ludicrous.