Players that moved to another team around the league

[Blazer4ever]

I'm reading some of the player rankings on espn.com (places 160-240) and find out a few things I didn't know:

Anthony Morrow is with the Hawks

Aaron Brooks with Sacramento

Jarrett Jack is with Golden State

Landry Fields is with Toronto

Gustavo Ayon is with Orlando

 

[KingSpeed]

Good post. I was unaware that Jarrett Jack was on the Warriors.

 

[crandc]

I knew. He's their latest savior.

 

[maxiep]

Good post. I was unaware that Jarrett Jack was on the Warriors.

I was unaware there was a player named Gustavo Ayon.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

morrow went to atl in the jj trade
aaron brooks to sac-as if they need another shoot first guard?
landry went to toronto with a stupid big restricted deal
ayon went to orlando in a s&t for ryan anderson

get your shit together boys

 

[dviss1]

I was unaware there was a player named Gustavo Ayon.

He was a rookie last season. He's actually a pretty damn decent player. He'll be just as good or better than Freeland IMHO.

Watch him SWAT that bitch Westbrook's dunk attempt at :34.

[video=youtube;o4c_nzKxwPM]

 

[dviss1]

Here he is again giving us the biz...

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[THE HCP]

But he doesn't even speak english!!! Send him back to Mexico!

 

[THE HCP]

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[Blazer4ever]

Ramon Sessions and Ben Gordon with the Bobcats.

D.J. Augustin with Indiana.

(according to places 140-160 on espn.com's rankings)

 

[Natebishop3]

Ramon Sessions and Ben Gordon with the Bobcats.

D.J. Augustin with Indiana.

(according to places 140-160 on espn.com's rankings)

I knew the others but I hadn't heard about Sessions and Gordon to the Bobcats.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Check out the player movement page on hoopshype.com. It has a great list of all the acquisitions for every team.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I knew the others but I hadn't heard about Sessions and Gordon to the Bobcats.

detroit traded gordon to the bobcats for maggette

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Ayon is interesting because the Hornets signed him mid-season from his Spanish club (where he was, indeed, putting up a superior "ranking" number (sort of the ACB version of PER) than Freeland, and might've been leading the league at the time. He was MVP of November in the ACB:

[video]http://acbtv.acb.com/video/4349-lac...gustavo_ayon_mvp_del_mes_de_noviembre[/video]

It always surprises me that (a) this is possible (Euro teams releasing players from their contracts in the middle of a season - it also happened with Nenad Krstic when the Thunder signed him first) and (b) that if it IS possible, why it doesn't happen more often. My guess is that it happens to players who have made a surprising leap in productivity that their Euro team didn't foresee enough to put a big buyout in their contract.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Fans of other teams are probably unaware that we have Sasha Pavlovic and Jared Jeffries. Or that the Bucks have Joel Przybilla.

 

[BlazerBeav]

Fans of other teams are probably unaware that we have Sasha Pavlovic and Jared Jeffries. Or that the Bucks have Joel Przybilla.

Wow, even I'd forgotten we have Pavlovic.......

 

[mook]

Fans of other teams are probably unaware that we have Sasha Pavlovic and Jared Jeffries. Or that the Bucks have Joel Przybilla.

I bet those fans will be jealous when they find out.

Seriously, though, just look at the career stats for Sasha and Jeffries. How do these guys last in the league for 9-10 years? It's not like they were practice guys on good teams--they were often on bad Knicks, Wizards, T-wolves and Cleveland teams. Why would you keep them around instead of going with younger guys with some amount of upside?

Come to think of it, what the fuck are we doing with them?

 

[jlprk]

Have I ever mentioned that Olshey thinks like a Clipper?

We've been on the Allen gravy boat so long, buying the best reserves. Welcome to the other half, what it will be like if we change owners.

 

[dviss1]

Have I ever mentioned that Olshey thinks like a Clipper?

We've been on the Allen gravy boat so long, buying the best reserves. Welcome to the other half, what it will be like if we change owners.

Have you done your homework before making this comment? We haven't bought anyone and are most certainly not paying their salaries.

What Olshey did was BRILLIANT.

Come to think of it, what the fuck are we doing with them?

OK Let's break it down. Click on the link then go to our salary.

http://www.storytellerscontracts.com/

1. These guys are simply practice players who will rarely play in games.
2. Their $$$ counts against our cap, but we are NOT paying them. NY is paying Jefferies and Boston's paying Pav (Gadzurich's salary fell RIGHT off our books as it was already not guaranteed money)
3. Look at next year. Their salaries are NOT guaranteed. They will NOT be on the roster next season and those salaries (along with probably Babbit and Nolan) will fall off our our books immediately.

What Olshey is doing is positioning our team to be able to offer ANOTHER Max Deal next season. All while not paying these players EVER.

It's a brilliant move and we did it by trading FELTON.... (Olshey actually GOT something for Felton!!)

 

[jlprk]

For most owners, especially the Clippers, saving a couple of million dollars is a priority. But Paul Allen has always paid a little extra to have potential, not just scrubs, in those bottom roster slots. We're now seeing how most owners operate, with a few old, truly hopeless journeymen with no potential, even if only of the imaginable variety.

 

[dviss1]

For most owners, especially the Clippers, saving a couple of million dollars is a priority. But Paul Allen has always paid a little extra to have potential, not just scrubs, in those bottom roster slots. We're now seeing how most owners operate, with a few old, truly hopeless journeymen with no potential, even if only of the imaginable variety.

Did you even read my post? Those salaries will be gone next season so we can REALLY add a max player...

 

[jlprk]

So for the low probability that some team hands us a free Hibbert next summer, we exchange the probability of long-term successful development of at least 1 of the 3 players, signed for their potential, who would have filled the Jeffries, Sasha, and Price slots.

 

[dviss1]

So for the low probability that some team hands us a free Hibbert next summer, we exchange the probability of long-term successful development of at least 1 of the 3 players, signed for their potential, who would have filled the Jeffries, Sasha, and Price slots.

Dude, you just saw that we added 5 rookies right? How many more do you need? We have youth and next year we'll have max money to add someone from this list:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents/

The last thing we need on this team is more youth and players who are going to take away minutes from our rookies. We need a max veteran on this team.

Who do you think we should have instead of those players who are going to give us the opportunity to offer a MAX deal? The 2012 FA class SUCKED.

Sounds like you would want more players to take away 2013 salary cap room for a really good player?

 

[Boob-No-More]

So for the low probability that some team hands us a free Hibbert next summer, we exchange the probability of long-term successful development of at least 1 of the 3 players, signed for their potential, who would have filled the Jeffries, Sasha, and Price slots.

You're attempting to rewrite history. Go back and look at our rosters over the last several seasons. Those 13 - 15 roster spots have long been filled by big-body-with-a-pulse practice fodder - guys like Shavlik Randolph, Michael Ruffin, Ike Diogu, Anthony Tolliver, Earl Barron, Chris Johnson, etc. Given our shortage of healthy big men, it made sense to keep a few, cheap bigs around as insurance and practice dummies. Now, with our lack of experience at PG, it also makes sense to fill one of those bottom three roster spots with a cheap vet PG like Ronnie Price. This method of filling those inconsequential 13th - 15th roster spots is not unique to Olshey. So, I don't get your reference to "Clipper mentality".

So, what 13th - 15th man, dripping with untapped potential, have we had on our roster in the last 10 years that has developed into a player worth keeping long term, Taureen Green? I think not. We have enough guys to develop at the top and middle of our roster. We don't need even more young guys at the bottom three roster spots sucking up playing time and coaching resources that would be better spent developing the guys who actually have a chance to matter to the future of this team.

BNM

 

[jlprk]

Dude, you just saw that we added 5 rookies right? How many more do you need? We have youth and next year we'll have max money to add someone from this list:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents/

The last thing we need on this team is more youth and players who are going to take away minutes from our rookies. We need a max veteran on this team.

Who do you think we should have instead of those players who are going to give us the opportunity to offer a MAX deal? The 2012 FA class SUCKED.

Sounds like you would want more players to take away 2013 salary cap room for a really good player?

Unless you're a new Blazer fan, you are familiar with how our roster hasn't contained several no-potentials for a number of years, as it apparently will this season. I don't know why this seems like an alien concept to you. You ask who was available. Just skim through this thread to see names who are better than Jeffries, Sasha, and Price.

 

[dviss1]

You're attempting to rewrite history. Go back and look at our rosters over the last several seasons. Those 13 - 15 roster spots have long been filled by big-body-with-a-pulse practice fodder - guys like Shavlik Randolph, Michael Ruffin, Ike Diogu, Anthony Tolliver, Earl Barron, Chris Johnson, etc. Given our shortage of healthy big men, it made sense to keep a few, cheap bigs around as insurance and practice dummies. Now, with our lack of experience at PG, it also makes sense to fill one of those bottom three roster spots with a cheap vet PG like Ronnie Price. This method of filling those inconsequential 13th - 15th roster spots is not unique to Olshey. So, I don't get your reference to "Clipper mentality".

So, what 13th - 15th man, dripping with untapped potential, have we had on our roster in the last 10 years that has developed into a player worth keeping long term, Taureen Green? I think not. We have enough guys to develop at the top and middle of our roster. We don't need even more young guys at the bottom three roster spots sucking up playing time and coaching resources that would be better spent developing the guys who actually have a chance to matter to the future of this team.

BNM

Excellent post. Well put.

Your point is reinforced by looking at our 96-97 Roster. When Jermaine O'neal was a rookie. OT: 1st of all, look how much $$$ they were making then... WOW. But compared to the rest of the team, look at what Chris Dudley is making while only playing 22+ mins per.... HUGE FAIL...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/1997.html

But Jermaine O'neal, "dripping with untapped potential", was the 9th man on this roster. How much PT did he get? Not much.. 10+ mins per

Do you even remember the 13-15 men? Exactly....

OT: Do you remember this cat from Weber state?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nembhru01.html

 

[jlprk]

You're attempting to rewrite history. Go back and look at our rosters over the last several seasons. Those 13 - 15 roster spots have long been filled by big-body-with-a-pulse practice fodder - guys like Shavlik Randolph, Michael Ruffin, Ike Diogu, Anthony Tolliver, Earl Barron, Chris Johnson, etc.

Those guys, except Diogu who was a lottery pick with potential I think, were picked up midseason. As of July, we've already lowered our hopes to the emergency midseason pickup level. Tolliver and Johnson were young and had potential, unlike the 3 now who have no upsides.

It's easy to list players we signed years ago for potential and say look, they didn't turn out well. But now, our bottom guys have no potential, and we already KNOW they won't turn out well when we sign them in July. That's the difference between Paul Allen spending vs thinking like a defeatist Clipper.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Unless you're a new Blazer fan, you are familiar with how our roster hasn't contained several no-potentials for a number of years, as it apparently will this season.

Seriously, you consider guys like Shavlik Randolph, Earl Barron and Micheal Ruffin ripe with potential. I call bullshit on this one. I've gone back and looked at our rosters over the past 10 years and don't see anyone occupying the bottom 3 roster spots that was even worth remembering , let alone keeping around long term. Who were these mythical players bursting forth with untapped potential and where are they now?

You made up a strawman argument - that we have always had players with potential occupying our bottom three roster spots, until Olshey became our GM. We haven't. Go back and look at the players in those spots again and tell me one you wish we still had.

BNM

 

[dviss1]

Unless you're a new Blazer fan, you are familiar with how our roster hasn't contained several no-potentials for a number of years, as it apparently will this season. I don't know why this seems like an alien concept to you. You ask who was available. Just skim through this thread to see names who are better than Jeffries, Sasha, and Price.

C'mon man! The 13-15 men NEVER matter... Not on ANY team. Not until Linsanity. Are you hoping for that? Because it ain't happenin here.

Olshey has filled out the bottom of the roster with people who won't be here next year (great plan for most 13-15 guys) who give us excellent cap flexibility next season.

Look who we have to Develop:

Lillard, Leonard, Barton, Williams, Freeland, Claver, Smith, and Babbit. Hell Even Batum and Wesley need more development. Where are the minutes going to come from to develop the 13-15 guys?

Here's a simple sentence:

In the NBA when you have "untapped potential" you usually AREN'T the 13-15 guy.

 

[dviss1]

You made up a strawman argument - that we have always had players with potential occupying our bottom three roster spots, until Olshey became our GM.
BNM

I concur. jlprk you are complaining about a problem that doesn't exist.