Players that moved to another team around the league

[dviss1]

Tolliver and Johnson were young and had potential, unlike the 3 now who have no upsides.

And they wouldn't have SNIFFED minutes this season. You know we had Tolliver on the team before right? Well there's a reason why a soft 3 point shooting tweener PF/SF isn't needed on this team.

He's cheap and his name is Luke Babbit. And at least Luke is not soft. He may be cheap wasted space (won't be with the team next year IMHO) but he has a small role on the team and he is better than tolliver. Tolliver is supposed to take minutes away from people we drafted? D-Leauge tolliver? We sent him to the D-League man...

 

[Boob-No-More]

BTW, if you're so concerned with stocking up on young players with future potential, you should LOVE Olshey's moves.

In the Felton sign-and-trade, we got the following assets, for a guy we would have let walk for nothing:

2016 second-round pick, the rights to Georgios Printezis and Kostas Papanikolaou.

We also got two 2013 second round picks in the Pavlovic trade.

There, better now? That should help us fill out those bottom three roster spots with "potential" for years to come. Seriously, one of the Greek guys may actually crack our top 12 some day.

BNM

 

[dviss1]

There, better now? That should help us fill out those bottom three roster spots with "potential" for years to come. Seriously, one of the Greek guys may actually crack our top 12 some day.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Tolliver and Johnson were young and had potential, unlike the 3 now who have no upsides.

Do you ever bother to check facts? Chris Johnson is 4 days older than LaMarcus Aldridge. Anthony Tolliver a month and and a half older still. Both of those guys kicked around the D League for years before the Blazers called them up. Earl Barron was pushing 30 when we called him up. Are these REALLY the best examples you can come up with for young guys dripping with potential to fill out out bottom three roster spots?

Color me unimpressed, but I assure you I won't be losing any sleep knowing we passed on the next Earl Barron because his roster spot was taken up by Sasha Pavlovic or Jared Jeffries.

BNM

 

[jlprk]

C'mon man! The 13-15 men NEVER matter... Not on ANY team.

Not familiar with our injury history, eh? Tell you what. You find me a link to the opening rosters of each of the last few seasons (I checked first game box scores, but they list only players who played, not the bottom ones we're talking about), and I'll do the legwork and report back who the bottom 5 were. I think you'll find that all were considered to have some kind of upside, unless they were an emergency short-term fill-in like Shavlik for Oden.

What I've been posting about has been our abnormally low-expectation roster so early in the summer (July) when many better players are always still unsigned, yet Olshey is firmly committed to several crappy pickups. But since there's no link to July expectaions of each year, I'll let you off and compare opening day rosters.

 

[dviss1]

Not familiar with our injury history, eh? Tell you what. You find me a link to the opening rosters of each of the last few seasons (I checked first game box scores, but they list only players who played, not the bottom ones we're talking about), and I'll do the legwork and report back who the bottom 5 were. I think you'll find that all were considered to have some kind of upside, unless they were an emergency short-term fill-in like Shavlik for Oden.

What I've been posting about has been our abnormally low-expectation roster so early in the summer (July) when many better players are always still unsigned, yet Olshey is firmly committed to several crappy pickups. But since there's no link to July expectaions of each year, I'll let you off and compare opening day rosters.

Do your own legwork.... And if you think we are making the playoffs next season then you are SORELY mistaken.

Firmly committed??

Those players will NOT be on the roster in 13-14. They were brought in for emergency situations ONLY. AND because of their non guaranteed contracts.
Price MAY get some run. But our PGs will be Lillard and Nolan. What PG would you have gotten instead of Price? What players would you have gone after instead of Jefferies and Gadzuric?
We do have players with untapped potential:

BTW, if you're so concerned with stocking up on young players with future potential, you should LOVE Olshey's moves.
In the Felton sign-and-trade, we got the following assets, for a guy we would have let walk for nothing:
2016 second-round pick, the rights to Georgios Printezis and Kostas Papanikolaou.
We also got two 2013 second round picks in the Pavlovic trade.

Lillard/Smith/Price (Lillard 35+Mins per game)
Matthews/Williams/Barton/Pavlovic
Batum/Claver/Babbit (Batum 35+ Mins per game)
Lamarcus/Hixon/Jefferies (LA 35+ Mins per game)
Leonard/Freeland (not sure who will start but they will probably split time here)

Where are the minutes for the guys with untapped potential? Again, guys with potential don't sit on the end of the bench.

 

[jlprk]

Giorgios and Kostas aren't on this year's roster. If we include them in this debate, then we should include in past years any future draft picks we owned, and we should include Freeland in every roster of the last few years, etc. I'm talking about how satisfied the GM was with nonpotential scrubs we actually had, ending all moves to improve early in the summer.

Chris Johnson and Tolliver ranked at the top of the D-League and had never played in the NBA. That means that they were widely considered to have potential to be adequate in the NBA, which is far more upside than Jeffries, Sasha, and Ronnie Price.

More important, those 2 were not on our roster at the beginning of the season, much less in July, with the GM passing up much better signings all summer to make room for Tolliver or Johnson, as he has now for Price, Jeffries, and Sasha.

By the way, I expect Jeffries, with years of experience, to initially outplay Leonard and Freeman, so don't hold that against me. But after a month, he'll fade as they improve.

 

[dviss1]

Giorgios and Kostas aren't on this year's roster. If we include them in this debate, then we should include in past years any future draft picks we owned, and we should include Freeland in every roster of the last few years, etc. I'm talking about how satisfied the GM was with nonpotential scrubs we actually had, ending all moves to improve early in the summer.

Chris Johnson and Tolliver ranked at the top of the D-League and had never played in the NBA. That means that they were widely considered to have potential to be adequate in the NBA, which is far more upside than Jeffries, Sasha, and Ronnie Price.

More important, those 2 were not on our roster at the beginning of the season, much less in July, with the GM passing up much better signings all summer to make room for Tolliver or Johnson, as he has now for Price, Jeffries, and Sasha.

By the way, I expect Jeffries, with years of experience, to initially outplay Leonard and Freeman, so don't hold that against me. But after a month, he'll fade as they improve.

What are you talking about? They WERE BOTH on the Blazers! We've already seen their "untapped potential"....

And where would there EVER be time to put EITHER of those players on the floor?

 

[jlprk]

You seem to be arguing some point which is different from mine. You keep veering off and then wildly claiming, what are you talking about. I think you're talking about whether we're barely adequate, while I'm comparing how Olshey isn't using the Allen spending machine as much as his predecessors. We could be a little better and he's satisfied with Clipper quality, like you are.

 

[dviss1]

You seem to be arguing some point which is different from mine. You keep veering off and then wildly claiming, what are you talking about. I think you're talking about whether we're barely adequate, while I'm comparing how Olshey isn't using the Allen spending machine as much as his predecessors. We could be a little better and he's satisfied with Clipper quality, like you are.

Headline: Trail Blazers owner Paul Allen says he isn't selling the team, but his days as a big-spender are over.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...ers_owner_paul_allen_says_he_isnt_sellin.html

 

[Blazer4ever]

Al Harrington is with Orlando.

Samuel Dalembert with Milwaukee.

 

[Blazer4ever]

Courtney Lee - Celtics

Grant Hill - Clippers

Chris Kaman - Mavericks

Devin Harris - Hawks

Emeka Okafor - Wizards

Jason Richardson - 76ers

Carl Landry - Warriors

Mo Williams - Jazz

Marcus Camby - Knicks

Lamar Odom - Clippers

Chase Budinger - TimberWolves

 

[Denny Crane]

Gotta love how Mark Cuban operates his team.

He's got a young and talented back court in Collison and Mayo. To go along with Dirk and Marion, he went out and got Kaman and Brand in the front court.

And according to StoryTeller, they have just $60M in salaries.

 

[mook]

Gotta love how Mark Cuban operates his team.

He's got a young and talented back court in Collison and Mayo. To go along with Dirk and Marion, he went out and got Kaman and Brand in the front court.

And according to StoryTeller, they have just $60M in salaries.

That is a pretty nice lineup. In a typical year where there aren't any superteams (Miami/Lakers and maybe Thunder) you'd have to consider them a contender. As it is, though, I don't think they even make the WCF.