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because the alternative is to wait on mythical internal improvement Ill take the fucking dartboard thank you very much

Not saying sit still. We have guys we can trade and not just hit the reset button. We have a lot of guys we can trade that other teams would probably want.
 
We wouldn't even know our lottery position. What if we get the 10th pick in the draft, trade CJ for the next Noah Vonleh, then what? Its a total crapshoot. Got to construct the team smarter. Not the first sign of trouble, throw everything on the floor, kick the desk over and hope to lose every game.

Thats the point of a lottery tho isnt it? You are not supposed to know where you will be picking but its weighted its not like they pull fucking names outta a hat like they used to
 
Not saying sit still. We have guys we can trade and not just hit the reset button. We have a lot of guys we can trade that other teams would probably want.
I don't see any scenario where we don't try to make changes at the trade deadline....part of those might bring us picks...hard to say
 
We'll fire Stotts before we start looking to tank.
 
I don't see any scenario where we don't try to make changes at the trade deadline....part of those might bring us picks...hard to say

Our needs are pretty obvious. We need defense, rebounding. Not sure what getting draft picks for unknown college players will really accomplish. Some people are just in love with the idea of the lottery.

Team sucks...BAHHHH...let's tank for picks and let me find some obscure players that we'll never even draft!
 
I've never understood the notion that you should tank because you're just going to get blown out in the first round as the 7th or 8th seed. The premise seems to be that if you get a lottery pick somehow you'll be able to polevault that process in the next year, or at least in the near future. How often does that happen where a mid-level or even a top pick makes a team truly competitive in the short term? Sure, the Spurs were able to get Duncan and go on a tear, but they already had a championship level team that just tanked due to David Robinson's injury. Look at the Timberwolves. They've built their roster on top draft picks and they're still not challenging for even the bottom of the playoffs. If they happened to make the playoffs, the best they could hope for would be that 7th or 8th spot and a quick exit from the playoffs that some folks are so willing to pass on for the Blazers.

If the Blazers get into the lottery this year and luck into the number one pick, I could see that a couple of years down the road they'd be in a better spot than they are now, as long as they're able to keep Dame, CJ and Harkless. But, for the next few years, the route to the WCF still goes through Golden State or the Spurs. There's no avoiding that you have to play those teams. Maybe it wouldn't be until the second round, but you're still going nowhere unless you're good enough to beat them. I'm still of the opinion that angling for a trade to get a third star is the more certain track to improving the Blazers. That said, with the way they've been playing, the whole discussion may be moot anyway.
 
Like I said, some people are just lottery groupies.


If anything goes wrong in life, tank for lottery picks!
 
We wouldn't even know our lottery position. What if we get the 10th pick in the draft, trade CJ for the next Noah Vonleh, then what? Its a total crapshoot. Got to construct the team smarter. Not the first sign of trouble, throw everything on the floor, kick the desk over and hope to lose every game.

Well my thoughts on the lottery are valid, but couldn't happen now. we would have to wait until the end of the season. Im just saying that the draft could help us this next year. I also don't think we need to tank to get in. There is more than one option.

Not saying sit still. We have guys we can trade and not just hit the reset button. We have a lot of guys we can trade that other teams would probably want.

Right, and we might be able to trade up into the lottery to get a solid player in a position of need rather than breaking the bank for a vet.
There are still many many options and Portland is far from backed into a corner.
Its just that everyone wanted the WFC this year and are trying to think of ways to make that still happen...including me.

Im turning the corner on this and am of the mindset we need to think long term. It doesn't mean we trade for picks, but we shouldn't go all in for this year. If we make trades, the players we bring in should be on good contracts and fill our needs. If we trade a player to get into the lottery, then we better draft a player of need. If not, we draft the best player available and then trade him for a player of need.

We can actually play the trade deadline and the draft at the same time. It isn't an either or.

So we make a trade for DMC. Instead of then giving up Crabbe for Noel, we could possibly use him and/or our picks to move up in the lotto and nail one of those elite bigs they say are in this draft. find a defensive beast.

Many many options on the table still contrary to what many around here seem to think.
 
It would be better to have a lottery pick in hand when trying to pry Boogie away from the Kings in the off-season.
 
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Would you trade CJ and Crabbe for Noel, the 76ers pick, the Lakers pick (that the 76ers have) and expirings? I think I would. I wonder if they'd consider it. Maybe just Phili's pick.

Here's the route for blowing it up and still being competitive:

We would be trading a lot of our players for picks.

- CJ Crabbe, and CLEs 2018 pick for Noel, the 76ers pick, Sergio, Ilyasova and Henderson

- Turner and Meyers to Brooklyn for Scola and Foye (Cap dump)

- Plumlee to Chicago for Bobby Portis and a 2017 1st

- Aminu to Houston for Dekker and McDaniels

That gives us:

Lillard / Rodriguez / Napier
Henderson / McDaniels / Foye
Harkless / Dekker / Layman
Vonleh / Portis / Ilyasova
Noel / Davis / Scola

With apx. the 4th pick (PHI), 10th pick (POR), and 22nd pick (CHI)

Draft Josh Jackson 4th
- 6'8 SG that can guard 4 positions and has high offensive upside.

Draft OG Anunoby 10th
-6'8 SF/PF who weighs 230 and has a (reportedly) 7'6 wingspan. Would be good as a PF, and could be our Draymond Green. He can shoot.

Draft Jonathan Jeanne 22nd
-7'2 C with a 7'7 wingspan. have athlete. Could be the next Gobert.


We'd also have about $40M in cap space. I say go after Jrue Holiday and pay him whatever to be our 6th man (even if it takes over $20M). Sign Amir Johnson as well.

Lillard (36) / Holiday (12) / Napier
Jackson (30) / Holiday (18) / Pat
Harkless (30) / Dekker (10) / OG (10)
OG (12) / Johnson (22) / Portis (14)
Noel (30) / Davis (18) / Vonleh

That lineup has tremendous defensive upside and switch potential. Imagine Paul George, Harkless, Draymond Green, and DeAndre Jordan defensively (because that's the upside). That team would be competitive, and probably a top 10 defensive team and in the top half offensively (because Lillard).
 
If either Sacramento or Denver wins their next game, Portland will get surpassed for the current #8 playoff spot. That may only be temporary but not exactly the company you want to keep. Even if they maintain the #8 spot, that gets them a matchup with the Golden State Warriors which so far this year has been humiliating in it's outcome.

So what if, like last year, they got hot? Right now, OKC is sitting at #7. If Portland were to go on a 10-game winning streak (which means starting with a win over the Spurs) and if OKC were to continue just to play at the pace they are currently, Portland still would be in the #8 spot just percentage points behind the Thunder.

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That point is mute because in the next 6 games, they play the Spurs twice and the Warriors/Raptors once mixed in with more winnable games against the Kings and Timberwolves.

The Blazers are already 6 games out of the #7 spot just 30 games into the season. That is a massive number for so early in the year. The #7 spot is on pace to get 48 wins this year. Last year the #7 seed finished with 42 wins. Portland would have to go 35-16 the rest of the way to get to 48 wins and that might still only be good enough for 8th place. Even if they move up to 7th, they would be rewarded with the Spurs. Both of those are irrelevant at this point as Portland is at a .419 winning percentage and would need to play .686 to get to 48 wins.

Anyone see that happening anytime soon? We had similar debate last year when Portland was off to such a poor start. The Blazers got hot and then had playoff success which some deemed very valuable. IMO, they overachieved (a good thing) but obviously injuries played a part in the Clippers series as well as being competitive in the Warriors series.

You would have thought they would have progressed from last years late season run and the Playoff success but with almost the same roster, they have significantly regressed. I hate losing games but I hate 'basketball purgatory' even more which is right where I believed Portland was going into last season. That hot streak and Playoff series win now looks like an aberration rather than a continued improvement.

Portland isn't just losing, they are getting blown out more than any other team in the league.

What is even more unfortunate is Dame will be 27 next year and entering the prime of his career. That has something like a 3-5 year window and Portland is no where near being able to take advantage of that.

So will getting torched in the playoffs, if the Warriors/Spurs are healthy, help grow the franchise or would a Lottery pick/asset do more to move this team forward? Right now, Draft Express does not have one single PF or C in their Top 14 projected picks. Of course it is very early but it is mostly PG/SG and SF dominated.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

The roster is flawed, and performance has regressed. But how did we get from basically the same roster having so much energy, intensity, passion and drive to find a hot streak and some playoff success.....to this?

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First if we get picks from Philly we COULD win the lotto or be in the top 5 without actually being the worst. Second off it doesnt even need to be that high to get a stud. We may not get the next lebron but that doesnt mean the draft is useless, Paul George was like 15 and there are many other examples of this. Third this draft class is stacked apparently and if we could get a couple picks in the lottery this year we could set us up for the end of Lillards contract and we get to watch him be the good stats bad team guy he is until then.
OG Anunoby is going to be a defensive, 3-and-D stud. He'll be available around 10.
 
I've long advocated CJ be traded or be a 6th man because those two just CAN NOT be the first line of defense (or lack there of).

If the Blazers were locked into keeping McCollum for the rest of his career, this might have some merit. But since Portland can (and should, in my opinion) trade McCollum, it doesn't make sense to artificially reduce his value by relegating him to sixth man duties. Yes, teams "know" what he is and what he can do, but psychologically I think other executives will be loathe to give up an "All Star return" for a reserve. The most recent analogue to this would be James Harden when he was on Oklahoma City and I absolutely think it reduced the value the Thunder got back. Even without the benefit of hindsight, they didn't get the value of an All-Star-caliber talent. It does hurt the perception of the player, which is why I think players are generally loathe to leave the starting lineup and why it was so notable when Andre Iguodala agreed to without complaint.

So, no, I think you have to continue to start McCollum and maybe scheme defensively to make him look better even if it causes your defense to spring leaks elsewhere. It's superficial and ultimately meaningless but, again, I think you stand a better chance of another executive talking himself into love with McCollum if every night's highlights don't feature McCollum being visibly and obviously burned.

As for playoffs or lottery, I don't think it matters. I don't think you specifically destroy the team to tank, but whatever you can do to play for the future makes sense to do. It's unlikely, I think, that Portland ends up with a top-five pick and picks from 6-14 aren't really hugely dissimilar from the pick you'd get as the #8 seed. Not a franchise-changing difference, that is to say.
 
CJ is an All Star in the East IMHO. I think we'd miss CJ more than people think. One thing you can say about us this year is that we haven't had trouble scoring. That would change if CJ left.
He had 13/2/2 and 3 turnovers last game I think...we're already missing his scoring
 
CJ is an All Star in the East IMHO. I think we'd miss CJ more than people think. One thing you can say about us this year is that we haven't had trouble scoring. That would change if CJ left.
CJ is a great player in some matchups...others..not so much....I keep him if he becomes our Jamal Crawford
 

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