Game Thread PLAYOFFS: ROUND 1, GAME 3: NUGGETS @ BLAZERS - MAY 27, 2021 - THURSDAY, 7:30, NBATV & NBCSNW

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Now that we've experienced a win and a loss, how far do you think POR will go in the Playoffs?

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blazerkor said:
See, I would be happy with Wiggins or Gordon for him if we were able to also re-sign Norm and let him play at his natural position.

I do think that it might be smart to start realizing that different GMs may see things your way and a small group might see things the way of the others you were talking about do. So maybe there will be an opportunity to trade CJ to a team that has high value for him and flip what we get from them in a three team deal for a real second option. Who knows though. None of us have ever had the opportunity to gauge his trade value and I don't think our front office has ever really delved too deeply into it either.
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The good news about a trade is that it only takes one GM to totally overvalue CJ in order to get a great trade. Sadly, I'm not sure even 1 out of the 29 other GMs think he's worth what Olshey does.
 
Tince said:
If your theory is right I would be excited and upset at the same time. If CJ has high value, we're crazy for having not traded him, but I'd be pump that we still have a chance to get something of value in return.

CJ is a bucket getter, and I fully expect a great game 4 from him. However, if you're an inconsistent bucket getter and a consistent bucket giver-upper, you can't take up 30% of the salary cap.
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Yeah, that cap number has to stick in the throat of most GMs but I just have a feeling that there are a few out there that see his inconsistency as being a result of playing with a better version of himself whose redundant skill set is what causes CJ to be so inconsistent. Those GMs could point to his very consistent play when Dame has been out to support that line of thinking.

If Neil stays you can just be upset and upset at the same time because, I really don't think that Neil will ever trade CJ for something of realistic return value and we're not getting an all-nba player for Mr. McCollum.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah, that cap number has to stick in the throat of most GMs but I just have a feeling that there are a few out there that see his inconsistency as being a result of playing with a better version of himself whose redundant skill set is what causes CJ to be so inconsistent. Those GMs could point to his very consistent play when Dame has been out to support that line of thinking.

If Neil stays you can just be upset and upset at the same time because, I really don't think that Neil will ever trade CJ for something of realistic return value and we're not getting an all-nba player for Mr. McCollum.
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I'm trying to think of what type of team would want him. He's getting a bit long in the tooth for someone trying to do a total rebuild, but a team needing one more scorer probably isn't going to give us anything but future assests and a salary to match. If we were rebuilding w/out Dame, I think we'd have options, but that would be a stupid strategy in my opinion.
 
Tince said:
The good news about a trade is that it only takes one GM to totally overvalue CJ in order to get a great trade. Sadly, I'm not sure even 1 out of the 29 other GMs think he's worth what Olshey does.
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This is the problem. We might be able to get a really solid starter, maybe even a not so spectacular second option for CJ but I doubt that would ever be enough for Neil.
 
blazerkor said:
Even if you are Neil and think Simons is the absolute shit... why the fuck wouldn't we pick up Rivers instead of TJ fucking Leaf?!?
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I think the likely scenario is that Rivers saw a ton of opportunity in Denver and zero chance to get big minutes in Portland.

The headscratcher is how we couldn't obtain a defensive big as the opportunity was clearly there for clutch playoff minutes.
 
Tince said:
I'm trying to think of what type of team would want him. He's getting a bit long in the tooth for someone trying to do a total rebuild, but a team needing one more scorer probably isn't going to give us anything but future assests and a salary to match. If we were rebuilding w/out Dame, I think we'd have options, but that would be a stupid strategy in my opinion.
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I really have only heard of two teams that like him and don't know if Philly still does and that would just leave the Knicks who aren't looking for a youth movement and he would pair great with Randle. They have a ton of picks and they have Toppin who really isn't a good fit with Randle unless they play 4 and 5 together and that's some small ball. So right now all of my theoretical CJ moves go through the Knicks giving us what a rebuilding team would want and us finding a rebuilding team with what we want.

This is all a little premature. Let's just tough out the rest of these playoffs... maybe only two more games and then dream about splitting up Dame and CJ.
 
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LayneStaley said:
I think the plan of letting Jokic go apeshit is a bad one. I don’t think that plan took a lot of thought.
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What do you want him to do? Jokic shot almost every shot as well contested as you could possibly ask for and he just made them. The only other thing you could do is bring the hard double and open up the passing game. I think that's an even worse answer.
 
Man like me and the NateBishop guy have been telling you since January........man we’ve been telling you we suck man. See NateBishiop and me been telling you since Christmas man that their GM is better than ours.......Me and that NateBishop guy been telling you since like March that Austin Rivers is NICE! Remember when we told you that? Nate and me been telling you that big changes are coming........ who said that, ME!
 
blazerkor said:
I really have only heard of two teams that like him and don't know if Philly still does and that would just leave the Knicks who aren't looking for a youth movement and he would pair great with Randle. They have a ton of picks and they have Toppin who really isn't a good fit with Randle unless they play 4 and 5 together and that's some small ball. So right now all of my theoretical CJ moves go through the Knicks giving us what a rebuilding team would want and us finding a rebuilding team with what we want.

This is all a little premature. Let's just tough out the rest of these playoffs... maybe only two more games and then dream about splitting up Dame and CJ.
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When I've looked at rosters team by team, the NYK are the only ones I see that could have enough interest to give up value.

I hope you're right....
 
Tince said:
I didn't realize that's how it works in Europe and it's an interesting concept. I would love to see the GM work for the coach instead of the other way around.
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Bruh you really think a coach can just say "I want them" and a GM can AUTOMATICALLY make it happen?! Shit doesn't work like that bro. Olshey and Stotts work together but you can't just snap your fingers and get whoever you want.
 
Nice team.
Predictable clown coaching
Predictable poor defense
Predictable post-season isn't the same as the regular season results.

Will always love this team....but watching year after year of the same thing with almosts zero growth is painful.
 
Tru. It is sad, but you can predict travel south after this game. I don't know why this team is still what Denver's fan called them, but it is true. Of course it came from pussy coach.

And of course I'll seat and watch next game and if we win I'll be happy, but I don't believe in them any more. CJ 4th quarter killed me.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
We need to set him up for that, but i don't think that play is in our playbook.
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Its there, however, you have two ball dominate guards that do their own thing's. Powell didn't get that many touches because the ball doesn't come to him like it should. Just my opinion.
Anytime you have a player shooting 30 times plus in a game, its 100% not coaching.
 
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Mr. Robot said:
this fucking team is all talk, no action, he said its gonna be different, but it was the same fucking shit

(this was after game 2)

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This whole Dame/CJ era has been all talk no action. I can't read this bullshit quotes every time. They need to shut the fuck up. This team is embarrassing and has zero pride
 
A good team finds ways to win when the shots aren't falling, they do it on the other side, with defense, we let scrubs like Rivers and Campazzo beat us, think about it, we cant beat a fucking Campazzo/Rivers backcourt. We are pathetic on defense
 
blazerkor said:
I really have only heard of two teams that like him and don't know if Philly still does and that would just leave the Knicks who aren't looking for a youth movement and he would pair great with Randle. They have a ton of picks and they have Toppin who really isn't a good fit with Randle unless they play 4 and 5 together and that's some small ball. So right now all of my theoretical CJ moves go through the Knicks giving us what a rebuilding team would want and us finding a rebuilding team with what we want.

This is all a little premature. Let's just tough out the rest of these playoffs... maybe only two more games and then dream about splitting up Dame and CJ.
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I would think New Orleans would like him. They have a PG, a SF, Zion and a couple decent centers. They need a good scoring guard. Adding CJ should get them into the playoffs.
 
Labinot41 said:
A good team finds ways to win when the shots aren't falling, they do it on the other side, with defense, we let scrubs like Rivers and Campazzo beat us, think about it, we cant beat a fucking Campazzo/Rivers backcourt. We are pathetic on defense
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You thought we were a “good” team? You thought our defense would get BETTER coming into this series? No wonder you’re always pissed off on here everyday.
 
Labinot41 said:
A good team finds ways to win when the shots aren't falling, they do it on the other side, with defense, we let scrubs like Rivers and Campazzo beat us, think about it, we cant beat a fucking Campazzo/Rivers backcourt. We are pathetic on defense
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You think we’ll be a better defensive team in Game 4?
 
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