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Here is an analogy I ran into last night and decided to screenshot. All credit to random r/politics poster:

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I'll go with Taxi A easy, because this is the choices we have currently, and it is the only valid option.
Except Taxi A actually takes you to 15th and kicks you out of the taxi to walk alone, saying sorry, but Taxi B isn't letting them drive to 5th anymore. Which, fine, it's better than Taxi B, but you'd have been better off getting a bunch of friends together and walking.
 
Steve Bannon, convicted criminal, said President Biden should be arrested for criticizing the Supreme Court on foreign soil. Tuckums Carlson, on foreign soil, Brazil, claimed the president is putting opponents on prison.
Actually what his heroes Orban and Putin do and what Trump wanted to do.
 
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/masked-white-supremacist-march-boston-014402749.html

Looks like a bunch of white supremacists marched in Boston on Saturday. They all wore masks to hide their faces. Some of them carried police shields.

"Several dozen white supremacists marched through the streets of Boston Saturday. The men, some of whom carried police shields and flags, were part of the white supremacist group Patriot Front, CBS Boston reports. At one point, they boarded a subway train at a downtown station. The march drew the condemnation of Boston Mayor Michelle Wu. "To the white supremacists who ran through downtown today: When we march, we don't hide our faces," Wu tweeted. "Your hate is as cowardly as it is disgusting, and it goes against all that Boston stands for."

To the white supremacists who ran through downtown today: When we march, we don’t hide our faces. Your hate is as cowardly as it is disgusting, and it goes against all that Boston stands for."
 
Yep. And many Democrats don't really believe the shit they are pretending to advocate for. Many Republicans do. At least, they believe it will be good for them.

Most of the Democrats don't actually care if the middle class struggles. It's not personal for them. They'll be fine. So they don't go to the mats for those causes.

Once again, you are giving the opposition a pass (They are good honest fascists!) and dumping on your allies for not meeting your standards.

I don't buy your claim that most Democrats don't believe in what they advocate for. Nor do I believe that being moderately wealthy necessarily leads one to lose empathy for those less fortunate. In any case, I think electing only middle-class or poor folk as representatives is going to be a very hard hill to climb, given the state of campaign finance laws, or lack thereof.

I'm not arguing against voting Democrat. I'm arguing that we actually vote for the best Democrat for a change.

Sure, I think we can all agree on that. But there might be differences of opinion about who the best democrat is, and you might be in the minority.

barfo
 
Once again, you are giving the opposition a pass (They are good honest fascists!) and dumping on your allies for not meeting your standards.

I don't buy your claim that most Democrats don't believe in what they advocate for. Nor do I believe that being moderately wealthy necessarily leads one to lose empathy for those less fortunate. In any case, I think electing only middle-class or poor folk as representatives is going to be a very hard hill to climb, given the state of campaign finance laws, or lack thereof.



Sure, I think we can all agree on that. But there might be differences of opinion about who the best democrat is, and you might be in the minority.

barfo
Holding democrats accountable for their actions doesn't have anything to do with the opposition. That's team politics bullshit, and it is a huge part of the problem with this country.

I didn't say being moderately wealthy had anything to do with anything. And I didn't say electing middle class or poor people should be a goal.

People voted for Joe Biden.

Democrats need to fix that if they want to overcome the challenges we're facing.
 
Holding democrats accountable for their actions doesn't have anything to do with the opposition. That's team politics bullshit, and it is a huge part of the problem with this country.

Why did you say the following, then, if not to draw a distinction between the parties?

Yep. And many Democrats don't really believe the shit they are pretending to advocate for. Many Republicans do.

Sounds like team politics bullshit to me. With particular emphasis on the bullshit part.

I didn't say being moderately wealthy had anything to do with anything. And I didn't say electing middle class or poor people should be a goal.

It certainly sounded as if you did. What does the following mean, then? Isn't the implication that we need elected officials for whom the middle class struggles IS personal?

Most of the Democrats don't actually care if the middle class struggles. It's not personal for them. They'll be fine. So they don't go to the mats for those causes.

People voted for Joe Biden.

Democrats need to fix that if they want to overcome the challenges we're facing.

Sure, ok. He wasn't my first choice either. But my first choice wasn't the same as your first choice, so therein lies the problem.

barfo
 
Rock Bottom would make a great name for a band ..or a pub.
 
Why did you say the following, then, if not to draw a distinction between the parties?



Sounds like team politics bullshit to me. With particular emphasis on the bullshit part.



It certainly sounded as if you did. What does the following mean, then? Isn't the implication that we need elected officials for whom the middle class struggles IS personal?

It only sounds that way if you want to play team politics and argue. Otherwise you would have posted the whole quote. You choosing not quote the whole post just makes me think you aren't actually interested in having an honest conversation, rather, just another "my team vs your team" bullshit fest.


Sure, ok. He wasn't my first choice either. But my first choice wasn't the same as your first choice, so therein lies the problem.

barfo
Good. At least we agreed that he wasn't the best choice. As should be abundantly clear by now.

The Dems NEED to elect the best choice, and they NEED to fix their system so that they do. Otherwise, land will win. And that will be Republicans. The sooner Dems get used to that fact the better off they'll be. Neither Hillary or Biden were the best choice. They weren't close.

I think Obama probably was the best choice available... even though he wasn't all that great.
 
It only sounds that way if you want to play team politics and argue. Otherwise you would have posted the whole quote. You choosing not quote the whole post just makes me think you aren't actually interested in having an honest conversation, rather, just another "my team vs your team" bullshit fest.



Good. At least we agreed that he wasn't the best choice. As should be abundantly clear by now.

The Dems NEED to elect the best choice, and they NEED to fix their system so that they do. Otherwise, land will win. And that will be Republicans. The sooner Dems get used to that fact the better off they'll be. Neither Hillary or Biden were the best choice. They weren't close.

I think Obama probably was the best choice available... even though he wasn't all that great.

I don't think you will find anyone in here saying Biden should re-run. I can tell you he wasn't anywhere near my top choice. I didn't vote for him in the primary. I sure as hell did in the election to get out Trump.

But, yeah the Democrats need a better candidate. Someone younger, outspoken, confident.
 
Yep, as did I.


Someone actually dedicated to solving real problems...

I really hope he doesn't re-run or there is a primary.

Trump is going to run and probably get re-elected thanks to the work Republicans have done in states like Georgia and Arizona to disenfranchise Democratic voters and to control elections by putting final decisions into the hands of loyal Trump Republicans who will overturn it if Biden another Dem wins again.
 
It only sounds that way if you want to play team politics and argue. Otherwise you would have posted the whole quote. You choosing not quote the whole post just makes me think you aren't actually interested in having an honest conversation, rather, just another "my team vs your team" bullshit fest.

First of all, I did quote the entire thing previously in one lump, in post #354. Second, I did quote the entire thing in post #356 also, just in two parts, so that I could respond to each separately. I sometimes split up a post when I respond. Sorry if that makes you think I'm posting dishonestly. Thirdly, I don't see how the whole quote changes anything. But here it is again in the entirety:

Yep. And many Democrats don't really believe the shit they are pretending to advocate for. Many Republicans do. At least, they believe it will be good for them.

Most of the Democrats don't actually care if the middle class struggles. It's not personal for them. They'll be fine. So they don't go to the mats for those causes.

My prior comments stand.

Good. At least we agreed that he wasn't the best choice. As should be abundantly clear by now.

The Dems NEED to elect the best choice, and they NEED to fix their system so that they do. Otherwise, land will win. And that will be Republicans. The sooner Dems get used to that fact the better off they'll be. Neither Hillary or Biden were the best choice. They weren't close.

I think Obama probably was the best choice available... even though he wasn't all that great.

Ok. I don't think politics is suddenly going to start working differently, but it's up to you what you want to wish for.

barfo
 
First of all, I did quote the entire thing previously in one lump, in post #354. Second, I did quote the entire thing in post #356 also, just in two parts, so that I could respond to each separately. I sometimes split up a post when I respond. Sorry if that makes you think I'm posting dishonestly. Thirdly, I don't see how the whole quote changes anything. But here it is again in the entirety:



My prior comments stand.



Ok. I don't think politics is suddenly going to start working differently, but it's up to you what you want to wish for.

barfo
You didn't quote it all in the post I replied to. It's ok, I got yer schtick.

If Democrats don't fix it the country will go to shit. Republicans aren't going to move the other direction unless the country survives something far more existentially threatening than Trump.

You can long for the good old days all you want, but that will just lead us to a horrible future.
 
Good. At least we agreed that he wasn't the best choice. As should be abundantly clear by now.

Qualifications for best choice have to include electability, because if your guy doesn't get elected, he's the same as every other loser - irrelevant.

I don't know which, if any, of the other dozen(?) candidates in 2020 might have been elected had they been nominated, including my first choice. No way to ever know. But I'm pretty sure that some of them would have garnered fewer votes than Biden did, even though almost no one was excited about Biden.

barfo
 
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