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PCmor7 said:
Yeah. From Central American countries the U.S. destabilized in the 1980s so that drug cartels had the freedom to take over.
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I get that, my points was even with all the faults we have as Nation we still have lots to offer those wanting to come here.
 
Hoopguru said:
I get that, my points was even with all the faults we have as Nation we still have lots to offer those wanting to come here.
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I know, but obviously an amount of context needed to be added. The biggest, in this case, being that the people coming here were doing so not so much by economic possibilities or having less government in their lives but by simply trying to, you know, actually live in what's become a largely lawless place.
 
To put it in even better context, El Salvador has the highest death rate in the world because of violent crime. Honduras is second.

No one else is even close.
 
tlongII said:
You should ask that question of the Scandinavian countries.
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Why? They aren't seeing any problems with immigration either.

I see no evidence that immigration is a problem, so why would I ask anyone about it?
 
Hoopguru said:
I get that, my points was even with all the faults we have as Nation we still have lots to offer those wanting to come here.
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We have more natural resources and cheaper shipping (via our vast naturally navigable river systems which covers more miles than the rest of the world combined) than any other country in the world. We have built-in benefits that no other country enjoys.

We could have a worse system than every other country in the world and we would still live better than most.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Why? They aren't seeing any problems with immigration either.

I see no evidence that immigration is a problem, so why would I ask anyone about it?
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If immigration isn’t a problem then why do Scandinavian countries have stricter immigration policies?
 
After all it seems like you think the US should model its political system after theirs.
 
tlongII said:
After all it seems like you think the US should model its political system after theirs.
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That seems to be a very big leap from what they were saying. I don't want to judge your motives but the read I got from what they were saying is so far off from what you are taking that I almost see your response as a deliberate mischaracterization.

In simpler terms perhaps, it's not an all-or-nothing scenario.
 
PCmor7 said:
That seems to be a very big leap from what they were saying. I don't want to judge your motives but the read I got from what they were saying is so far off from what you are taking that I almost see your response as a deliberate mischaracterization.

In simpler terms perhaps, it's not an all-or-nothing scenario.
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Actually I’m not making an argument for or against immigration. It’s more about why Scandinavians are considered happier people and how they’ve been able to enact the social programs they have.
 
tlongII said:
If immigration isn’t a problem then why do Scandinavian countries have stricter immigration policies?
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To the best of my knowledge they generally have more strict immigration policies because of anti immigration rhetoric. But they have varying degrees of immigration policy.

I've been very consistent in that we should adopt policies that show benefits, regardless of where it's from. I've never once said that we should adopt all of anybody's policies.

If there is no evidence of any benefit due to their immigration policy then I wouldn't suggest that we adopt it. In general I don't support restrictions unless those restrictions are supported by hard evidence of a greater benefit.
 
PCmor7 said:
My cousin is the chairman of the Republican Party in a neighboring county.

Once we were going back and forth about the merits of Trump and I threw this quote into the thread.

He didn't get it. This movie was big when he was in his early 30s, and it went right over his head. He corrected me and then someone else explained it to him.

It was at that moment I knew you couldn't have a sense of humor and be a member of the GOP.
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I tell you what....the knowledge of pop culture is more impressive to me than a college education. HA! My kids left the house SET regardless of what path they chose. From 80s music to random movie trivia....they are good to go. My daughter and about 3 of her friends were walking to my car after a games a couple years ago and it started pouring...... I screamed....," GET TO THE CHOPPA'!" The only one that understood and started laughing was my daughter. I was very disappointed in these kids absentee parents!Screenshot 2024-09-02 at 12.51.26 PM.png
 
Phatguysrule said:
To the best of my knowledge they generally have more strict immigration policies because of anti immigration rhetoric. But they have varying degrees of immigration policy.

I've been very consistent in that we should adopt policies that show benefits, regardless of where it's from. I've never once said that we should adopt all of anybody's policies.

If there is no evidence of any benefit due to their immigration policy then I wouldn't suggest that we adopt it. In general I don't support restrictions unless those restrictions are supported by hard evidence of a greater benefit.
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I would argue that the reason Scandinavian countries have happier people and are able to enact better social programs is due to their more homogenous population. If most everyone looks alike and shares the same values it is easier to pass legislation that enables the social programs that many covet. That will never be an easy thing to do in the USA. That is in large part due to our diversity.
 
tlongII said:
I would argue that the reason Scandinavian countries have happier people and are able to enact better social programs is due to their more homogenous population. If most everyone looks alike and shares the same values it is easier to pass legislation that enables the social programs that many covet. That will never be an easy thing to do in the USA. That is in large part due to our diversity.
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Maybe. But that doesn't mean the programs wouldn't be every bit as effective here. Being hard to enact isn't an argument against the policies.

More likely, They had to enact such policies as a result of World Wars I and II having a far greater impact on their countries. They needed these policies.

US doesn't NEED these policies as much they did much because we are blessed with so many natural resources and so many natural defenses.

As we now have evidence of how much more effective those policies are, we can use those examples as a reason to adopt those effective policies here rather than supporting greater restrictions of our rights as potential solutions to our social challenges.
 
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tlongII said:
Actually I’m not making an argument for or against immigration. It’s more about why Scandinavians are considered happier people and how they’ve been able to enact the social programs they have.
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That doesn't seem to address what I posted at all.
 
Florida just banned 23 of Stephen King's books. They join a list that includes Diary of Anne Frank, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Brave New World, and The Adventures of Tom Sawyer.

King's succinct reply: what the fuck?
 
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crandc said:
Florida just banned 23 of Stephen King's books. They join a list that includes Diary of Anne Frank, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Brave New World, and The Adventures of Tom Sawyer.

King's succinct reply: what the duck?
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Good company.

It just means he's doing it right.
 
Fixed auto correct on King quote. He didn't say duck.
 
Alabama Is Generating Billions by Trapping People in Prison

 
Phatguysrule said:
To the best of my knowledge they generally have more strict immigration policies because of anti immigration rhetoric. But they have varying degrees of immigration policy.

I've been very consistent in that we should adopt policies that show benefits, regardless of where it's from. I've never once said that we should adopt all of anybody's policies.

If there is no evidence of any benefit due to their immigration policy then I wouldn't suggest that we adopt it. In general I don't support restrictions unless those restrictions are supported by hard evidence of a greater benefit.
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Rape and violent crime have entered the chat.
 
jonnyboy said:
Rape and violent crime have entered the chat.
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Except immigrants commit crime at lower rates than the general population in the US. Even illegal immigrants.

So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Except immigrants commit crime at lower rates than the general population in the US. Even illegal immigrants.

So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
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You were discussing Scandanavian countries where that assertion is not true.
 
jonnyboy said:
You were discussing Scandanavian countries where that assertion is not true.
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Gotcha.

Are you implying that offering better social services will turn immigrants to the US into rampant rapists?

I'm just trying to understand the implication as to how this would be relevant to the US offering comparable social services.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Gotcha.

Are you implying that offering better social services will turn immigrants to the US into rampant rapists?

I'm just trying to understand the implication as to how this would be relevant to the US offering comparable social services.
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Forgive me i joined the conversation late. I am saying the amount of immigrants that were invited to enter the country in the last few years are causing unprecedented problems and throwing other people’s money at the problem is not only wrong, but it isn’t a fix.
 
jonnyboy said:
Forgive me i joined the conversation late. I am saying the amount of immigrants that were invited to enter the country in the last few years are causing unprecedented problems and throwing other people’s money at the problem is not only wrong, but it isn’t a fix.
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What problem are you referring to? Once again, immigrants (even illegal immigrants) commit less crime than natural born Americans.
 
Phatguysrule said:
What problem are you referring to? Once again, immigrants (even illegal immigrants) commit less crime than natural born Americans.
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I’m not gonna play semantics with you. Nearly every major city is seeing the effects of the migrant crisis, if you are going to pretend it’s nothing then we live on different planets. They have no fucking place to put them. They cause crime, violent and otherwise. The (dipshit liberal) mayors of these cities are now whining about it even though they supported all of it. Even the dingbat Kamala Harris, the “border czar” is promising to do something about it after 3.5 years of actively and intentionally allowing it to happen. Even on this website most people are clapping like seals for Kamala being “strong on the border” now, after they sat around calling everyone racist for saying there was a problem for 3.5 years. Now they have morphed it into a Trump problem because one disastrous monstrosity of an omnibus bill didn’t get passed.
Do liberals ever get tired of being wrong about literally everything?

My new thing is gonna be to call you all bigots for your new found support of border security. Fucking racists.
 
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