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I guess I'll tell my story here. It was either here or on the civil rights lawyer thread.

On April 22, I was on business that took me through a town I rarely go through but where I have a couple of old friends. One of them, who I hadn't talked to in three years and works as a probation officer, lost their aunt a couple of weeks earlier, so I dropped off a sympathy card at the front desk of the courthouse and asked if it could be passed along to them. I'd done something similar six months earlier for their co-worker and they thanked me and welcomed me to stop again.

Three weeks later, police showed up at my door and told me I was under arrest for stalking and harassment.

Before the preliminary hearing, the DA gave us a deal to drop the stalking and drop everything else to disorderly conduct, which we didn't take because we didn't think leaving a sympathy card could be construed as an attempt to create a disturbance.

At the preliminary hearing, the probation officer and her co-worker refuted everything they gave in their police report. However, the magistrate, who apparently knew the primary complaintant before she started working at the courthouse, didn't recuse himself and passed the case on to the Court of Common Pleas anyway.

It wasn't the first conflict of interest in this case. The arresting officer's fiancee went to school with the probation officer. The magistrate that signed the arrest warrant was friends with her mother since they were kids. The magistrate that held the prearraignment was the complaintant's internship advisor.

Then, on top of that, not just the judge but the president judge decided to preside over the case. He'd worked with her since April 20222. Normally, a judge recuses themselves from a case involving someone they know that well. He didn't.

My lawyer and I thought we had a very solid motion to get the case dismissed on about a half-dozen reasons, but the likely partisan judge would decide the motions and anything at a jury trial and even my attorney said he was surprised he was keeping the case. He also tried to accommodate the probation officer, who lied about not being able to testify again at the pretrial hearing in person by asking if she could just testify over the phone. Weird.

The DA came back with a deal to cut the stalking and reduce all the harassment to disorderly conduct, and make two of those summary offenses. Then they told us the 3 1/2 days I had to make the decision was down to 12 hours because the complaintant needed to know whether or not she'd have to be at the pretrial hearing.

I talked to my attorney as much as I could and decided to take the plea deal for probation rather than risk a trial that could give me 10 years in jail -- yes, 10 years in jail for a card saying "I'm sorry about your aunt. She was really nice. Your family was lucky to have her" -- and try to go through non-partisan agencies to sue for false arrest and defamation, since all of the conditions for stalking and harassment were eliminated by the complaintants' prior testimony.

I talked to a defamation lawyer that's won cases against these people today. He said I was write, but I don't have a case. First, I don't have a case because I took a plea deal. Second, I don't have a case because you can't sue a judge or a prosecutor, even if they are acting corruptly. Third, I'd have to pursue a case for malicious prosecution against the police and the probation officers, and he said winning that is very rare -- even if I went to trial and won, I probably wouldn't win a judgment for that.

Basically, he said I was right, I had legitimate damages, but the system isn't set up to protect people from something like this, so I just needed to move on. He said he wouldn't even go to the press with my story because I'd probably get into more trouble for doing that.

I had no record, but I lost my job just because I was accused of this. Then the complaintants basically said they made it all up, and I had no way to recover anything because our system protects judges, prosecutors, cops and anyone else in the judiciary from everything. I had no way to protect myself or to recover damages.

We have a president-elect who tried to overthrow the government and broke numerous laws and it's OK, but a normal person is at the mercy of the whims of the system. Yeah, hard for me to see how our country is the greatest in much of anything.
Shit. That really sucks. I'm really sorry you're going through that. Thank you for sharing.

I agree. We have so much potential to be so much better. But it's all set up to be shit. It's all set up to be the good old boy network.

The extreme natural advantages we have allow us to be so corrupt in so many ways while still keeping our head above water.
 
Shit. That really sucks. I'm really sorry you're going through that. Thank you for sharing.

I agree. We have so much potential to be so much better. But it's all set up to be shit. It's all set up to be the good old boy network.

The extreme natural advantages we have allow us to be so corrupt in so many ways while still keeping our head above water.

Thanks.

Yeah, I can't even describe how I feel. Maybe beaten. I'm 57. I beat cancer. I was caretaker for both my mother and her sister in the last years of their lives. I've advocated for at-risk young people and supported the local animal shelters and wildlife rescues my whole life. Now, I have no idea what's next for me. I kind of feel like I've outlived my place in the world. Not depressed about it. It's just like, "Oh well, you lived a little too long."

The primary complaintant got her job because of me. I took up for her co-worker when her family was guilting her when she dated a transgender boy.

It'd seem like in a country as advanced as ours is supposed to be that there'd be better ways to respond to something like this, but apparently there aren't. It's like Boss Hogg and Roscoe P. Coletrain from "Dukes of Hazzard."

Yeah, not sure how much I believe in our country, our people or justice of any kind anymore. Seems to me the United States never has been about any of that. It says it is so we feel better about ourselves. But we know it really isn't.
 
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LOL, the local newspaper even ran an incorrect headline that I pleaded guilty to harassment. They later changed the headline online and ran a small correction in the paper, but the damage was already done.

I asked the attorney if I was able to recover any damages from them. "No, it was just a mistake. It'd have to be malicious or reckless." Running a headline that says a private citizen pleaded to harassment rather than disorderly conduct isn't reckless? My Facebook got spammed with all kinds of hate on Christmas day on a post wishing everyone Merry Christmas and they linked that article with the wrong headline. How is what they did not reckless?

Nope. Not reckless enough.
 
Thanks.

Yeah, I can't even describe how I feel. Maybe beaten. I'm 57. I beat cancer. I was caretaker for both my mother and her sister in the last years of their lives. I've advocated for at-risk young people and supported the local animal shelters and wildlife rescues my who life. Now, I have no idea what's next for me. I kind of feel like I've outlived my place in the world. Not depressed about it. It's just like, "Oh well, you lived a little too long."

The primary complaintant got her job because of me. I took up for her co-worker when her family was guilting her when she dated a transgender boy.

It'd seem like in a country as advanced as ours is supposed to be that there'd be better ways to respond to something like this, but apparently there aren't. It's like Boss Hogg and Roscoe P. Coletrain from "Dukes of Hazzard."

Yeah, not sure how much I believe in our country, our people or justice of any kind anymore. Seems to me the United States never has been about any of that. It says it is so we feel better about ourselves. But we know it really isn't.

Terrible you’ve had to go through that. But no, you haven’t outlived your place in this world. You were given a real shitty hand of cards that’s for sure.
 
Thanks.

Yeah, I can't even describe how I feel. Maybe beaten. I'm 57. I beat cancer. I was caretaker for both my mother and her sister in the last years of their lives. I've advocated for at-risk young people and supported the local animal shelters and wildlife rescues my who life. Now, I have no idea what's next for me. I kind of feel like I've outlived my place in the world. Not depressed about it. It's just like, "Oh well, you lived a little too long."

The primary complaintant got her job because of me. I took up for her co-worker when her family was guilting her when she dated a transgender boy.

It'd seem like in a country as advanced as ours is supposed to be that there'd be better ways to respond to something like this, but apparently there aren't. It's like Boss Hogg and Roscoe P. Coletrain from "Dukes of Hazzard."

Yeah, not sure how much I believe in our country, our people or justice of any kind anymore. Seems to me the United States never has been about any of that. It says it is so we feel better about ourselves. But we know it really isn't.
Damnit. Man, I think I know somewhat how you are feeling having been through something similar, yet different. But involved my kids being targeted.

It's a shitty feeling and I really feel for you.
 
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LOL, the local newspaper even ran an incorrect headline that I pleaded guilty to harassment. They later changed the headline online and ran a small correction in the paper, but the damage was already done.

I asked the attorney if I was able to recover any damages from them. "No, it was just a mistake. It'd have to be malicious or reckless." Running a headline that says a private citizen pleaded to harassment rather than disorderly conduct isn't reckless? My Facebook got spammed with all kinds of hate on Christmas day on a post wishing everyone Merry Christmas and they linked that article with the wrong headline. How is what they did not reckless?

Nope. Not reckless enough.
Fuck. I wish there were some way we could help... I'm sorry. You definitely don't deserve that bullshit.
 
I guess I'll tell my story here. It was either here or on the civil rights lawyer thread.

On April 22, I was on business that took me through a town I rarely go through but where I have a couple of old friends. One of them, who I hadn't talked to in three years and works as a probation officer, lost their aunt a couple of weeks earlier, so I dropped off a sympathy card at the front desk of the courthouse and asked if it could be passed along to them. I'd done something similar six months earlier for their co-worker and they thanked me and welcomed me to stop again.

Three weeks later, police showed up at my door and told me I was under arrest for stalking and harassment.

Before the preliminary hearing, the DA gave us a deal to drop the stalking and drop everything else to disorderly conduct, which we didn't take because we didn't think leaving a sympathy card could be construed as an attempt to create a disturbance.

At the preliminary hearing, the probation officer and her co-worker refuted everything they gave in their police report. However, the magistrate, who apparently knew the primary complaintant before she started working at the courthouse, didn't recuse himself and passed the case on to the Court of Common Pleas anyway.

It wasn't the first conflict of interest in this case. The arresting officer's fiancee went to school with the probation officer. The magistrate that signed the arrest warrant was friends with her mother since they were kids. The magistrate that held the prearraignment was the complaintant's internship advisor.

Then, on top of that, not just the judge but the president judge decided to preside over the case. He'd worked with her since April 20222. Normally, a judge recuses themselves from a case involving someone they know that well. He didn't.

My lawyer and I thought we had a very solid motion to get the case dismissed on about a half-dozen reasons, but the likely partisan judge would decide the motions and anything at a jury trial and even my attorney said he was surprised he was keeping the case. He also tried to accommodate the probation officer, who lied about not being able to testify again at the pretrial hearing in person by asking if she could just testify over the phone. Weird.

The DA came back with a deal to cut the stalking and reduce all the harassment to disorderly conduct, and make two of those summary offenses. Then they told us the 3 1/2 days I had to make the decision was down to 12 hours because the complaintant needed to know whether or not she'd have to be at the pretrial hearing.

I talked to my attorney as much as I could and decided to take the plea deal for probation rather than risk a trial that could give me 10 years in jail -- yes, 10 years in jail for a card saying "I'm sorry about your aunt. She was really nice. Your family was lucky to have her" -- and try to go through non-partisan agencies to sue for false arrest and defamation, since all of the conditions for stalking and harassment were eliminated by the complaintants' prior testimony.

I talked to a defamation lawyer that's won cases against these people today. He said I was write, but I don't have a case. First, I don't have a case because I took a plea deal. Second, I don't have a case because you can't sue a judge or a prosecutor, even if they are acting corruptly. Third, I'd have to pursue a case for malicious prosecution against the police and the probation officers, and he said winning that is very rare -- even if I went to trial and won, I probably wouldn't win a judgment for that.

Basically, he said I was right, I had legitimate damages, but the system isn't set up to protect people from something like this, so I just needed to move on. He said he wouldn't even go to the press with my story because I'd probably get into more trouble for doing that.

I had no record, but I lost my job just because I was accused of this. Then the complaintants basically said they made it all up, and I had no way to recover anything because our system protects judges, prosecutors, cops and anyone else in the judiciary from everything. I had no way to protect myself or to recover damages.

We have a president-elect who tried to overthrow the government and broke numerous laws and it's OK, but a normal person is at the mercy of the whims of the system. Yeah, hard for me to see how our country is the greatest in much of anything.

P.S. The probation officer that first said she couldn't be at the pretrial hearing and then said she had to know by the following morning whether she had to be there that cut into my time to evaluate my options, then showed up at the pretrial hearing when she didn't have to be there. The judge had her introduce her fiance, who had nothing to do with the case, to the court. Yeah, this would have been fair.
Sorry you had to go through all that. What a disgrace of justice and those that were involved. Fucking kangaroo court!
 
Wow, that's a crazy scary frustrating story. Recommend you never ever drive through that town again.

barfo
 
Wow, that's a crazy scary frustrating story. Recommend you never ever drive through that town again.

barfo

Yeah. Probably not. But I was getting shots for two of my cats, and I just thought while I was up there I'd offer a bit of support to someone I thought could use it.
 
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You could really fuck with someone like that. Next time I'm with Mrs @THE HCP I'll take a picture of us together. Borrow her phone and enter the picture into AI. Then all of the ads on her phone will be with me and her.

#Chaos
 
Thanks.

Yeah, I can't even describe how I feel. Maybe beaten. I'm 57. I beat cancer. I was caretaker for both my mother and her sister in the last years of their lives. I've advocated for at-risk young people and supported the local animal shelters and wildlife rescues my whole life. Now, I have no idea what's next for me. I kind of feel like I've outlived my place in the world. Not depressed about it. It's just like, "Oh well, you lived a little too long."

The primary complaintant got her job because of me. I took up for her co-worker when her family was guilting her when she dated a transgender boy.

It'd seem like in a country as advanced as ours is supposed to be that there'd be better ways to respond to something like this, but apparently there aren't. It's like Boss Hogg and Roscoe P. Coletrain from "Dukes of Hazzard."

Yeah, not sure how much I believe in our country, our people or justice of any kind anymore. Seems to me the United States never has been about any of that. It says it is so we feel better about ourselves. But we know it really isn't.

Yeah what shitty situation. But I’d imagine in rural small town America that exploitation and corruption like this happens more than people think.

I’m not sure if you’re tied down to this particular area or not. But if it were me I’d be getting out of BFE Pennsylvania ASAP.
 
Yeah what shitty situation. But I’d imagine in rural small town America that exploitation and corruption like this happens more than people think.

I’m not sure if you’re tied down to this particular area or not. But if it were me I’d be getting out of BFE Pennsylvania ASAP.

I am kind of tied here, but the thing is that what was done to me was perfectly legal. It could happen to me, you or anyone else in this thread unless you live in a state which a much higher threshhold for arrests, taking a case to trial and checks on judicial misconduct.

I was thinking about it after I woke up this morning. I'm going to post something about this in the Civil Rights Lawyer thread shortly.
 
After being a barely elected speaker, Mike Johnson recited a fake Thomas Jefferson prayer. Common tactic of Christian nationalists is to give fake quotes from founders to bolster their fake claim founders intended to establish Christian country. This is taught in many states, especially using fake Praeger "University" materials.

The prayer has been traced to the 1920s, long after Jefferson died. But facts don't matter.
 
After being a barely elected speaker, Mike Johnson recited a fake Thomas Jefferson prayer. Common tactic of Christian nationalists is to give fake quotes from founders to bolster their fake claim founders intended to establish Christian country. This is taught in many states, especially using fake Praeger "University" materials.

The prayer has been traced to the 1920s, long after Jefferson died. But facts don't matter.

Feelings don’t care about facts.
 
Republicans all rewriting history of January 6. Congressman caught on camera dragging heavy chair to barricade door against insurrectionists now says it was just a normal tourist day.

Elise Stefanik, four years ago, said insurrectionists should be prosecuted to fullest extent of the law. Yesterday she said she is concerned about treatment of January 6 "hostages".

There were hostages in Gaza, you fuckhead. Doubt any are still alive. No trial by jury, no presumption of innocence, no defense attorney, no right to appeal. When Israel crushed Gaza they had little concern their own were also dying.

Those are hostages.
 
Anybody see these fires down in LA?

Looks pretty awful and the Santa Ana winds are supposed to be picking up tomorrow morning to make things worse before they get better.
 
It's extremely windy in Northern California. Enough recent rain so not immediate danger but with no rain in forecast we could have fires as well.
 
Attorney for January 6 defendant demanded Liz Cheney be arrested and her personal assets seized as restitution for January 6 insurrectionists. He also demanded January 6 insurrectionists be made a protected class like race, religion, sex, national origin so employers can't refuse to hire them.
 
Attorney for January 6 defendant demanded Liz Cheney be arrested and her personal assets seized as restitution for January 6 insurrectionists. He also demanded January 6 insurrectionists be made a protected class like race, religion, sex, national origin so employers can't refuse to hire them.

Oh, heck, the way this country is going, employers are going to be fighting to hire them. Probably can get any number of great paying jobs at Meta.
 
Meta went out of its way to add an exception allowing users to call trans people mentally ill.

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I didn’t want to make a thread but did want to say that I’m going to take a mental health break from here; not because here is bad or anything but because I can’t process everything in the world and keep myself sane. I’ll be back. I just gotta be elsewhere for a while.
I will miss you. Take care of yourself. Eat chicken soup. Pet a cat.
 

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