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[crandc]

Utah is a Republican state with very successful mail in voting. So naturally they decided to eliminate it.

Arkansas saw successful citizen initiatives. Response is to make putting citizen initiatives on the ballot impossible.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Utah is a Republican state with very successful mail in voting. So naturally they decided to eliminate it.

Arkansas saw successful citizen initiatives. Response is to make putting citizen initiatives on the ballot impossible.

Unfortunately, if the citizens of these two states do not fight back, then they get what they deserve. Though it sounds like that is already happening........

 

[crandc]

Trump's former spiritual advisor, who sponsored round table on "restoring America's greatness" indicted for sexual abuse of a child. He blamed the then 12 year old girl.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Everything Beagle]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/live-blog/senate-democrats-cr-republicans?entry=1514608

Looks like we found our Neville Chamberlain…

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[crandc]

Saw Chuck Schumer interview. He argued government shutdown would enable Musk to do anything. He already is. Schumer might mean well but he is wrong.

 

[barfo]

It's a shit sandwich either way. Not sure there is a right answer.
Shutting down the government just gets President Musk to his end goal faster, and also allows Musk to avoid the blame for doing it.

barfo

 

[MickZagger]

Saw Chuck Schumer interview. He argued government shutdown would enable Musk to do anything. He already is. Schumer might mean well but he is wrong.

Spineless

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Because the majority of Democrats are spineless cowards who don't mean anything they say. That's why they can't be trusted. As I've said before, the elites don't have a political party. Trump used to run in Democrat circles and not a peep about him being a bad guy. Now that he's on the other side he's suddenly Hitler?

Gtfo.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Because the majority of Democrats are spineless cowards who don't mean anything they say. That's why they can't be trusted. As I've said before, the elites don't have a political party.

Agreed

Trump used to run in Democrat circles and not a peep about him being a bad guy. Now that he's on the other side he's suddenly Hitler?

His actions definitely make it seem so...

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Agreed

His actions definitely make it seem so...

As long as billionaires are giving to the Democrats they're fine. That's why Jeffries and the Dems continue to say they'll take money from them.

Billionaires are psychos. Trump is not unique in that regard.

 

[Phatguysrule]

As long as billionaires are giving to the Democrats they're fine. That's why Jeffries and the Dems continue to say they'll take money from them.

Billionaires are psychos. Trump is not unique in that regard.

Yep. However, that does not change the fact that Trump is definitely a risk to be as bad as Hitler or even possibly worse.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Yep. However, that does not change the fact that Trump is definitely a risk to be as bad as Hitler or even possibly worse.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

The U.S. is Israeli occupied territory.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

You won't see this one on CNN or Fox News...

 

[Phatguysrule]

You won't see this one on CNN or Fox News...

We have much bigger problems.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

We have much bigger problems.

Bigger problems than genocide? I think you have that backwards.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Bigger problems than genocide? I think you have that backwards.

We have our own genocides to stave off. You aren't giving the current situation here in the United States proper respect.

Unfortunately they're going to have to deal with their own genocide until we can hopefully get our own house in order.

That's what happens when we allow evil to win in our country.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

We have our own genocides to stave off. You aren't giving the current situation here in the United States proper respect.

What? The United States is on the cusp of a genocide? Wtf?

I would go look at the definition of genocide and reconsider your words.

 

[Phatguysrule]

What? The United States is on the cusp of a genocide? Wtf?

I would go look at the definition of genocide and reconsider your words.

"an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group."

Daily Wire Contributor Michael Knowles Called For The Eradication Of Transgender People. “Michael Knowles—right-wing political commentator associated with the Daily Wire—said “for the good of society … transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely” at the Conservative Political Action Conference Saturday afternoon.”

https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/...ot-of-vile-legislation-targeting-trans-people

Project 2025 is very clear. And if you don't think they're following project 2025 then you aren't paying enough attention to American politics.

And it's not just transgender. That's just a clearest example right now.

"It Can Happen Here: White Power and the Rising Threat of Genocide in the US"

Pay attention to project 2025. Until we get these people out of power it is absolutely an imminent threat.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

"an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group."

At CPAC Daily Wire Contributor Michael Knowles Called For The Eradication Of Transgender People. “Michael Knowles—right-wing political commentator associated with the Daily Wire—said “for the good of society … transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely” at the Conservative Political Action Conference Saturday afternoon.”

Project 2025 is very clear. And if you don't think they're following project 2025 then you aren't paying enough attention to American politics.

Bruh. Comparing this to what's happening in the middle east is completely misguided and insensitive. This is why the country has tuned out from what Democrats are saying. You think everything in the world revolves around Donald Trump and has administration. Nobody is going to be systematically mass murdering trans people.

It's the funniest thing to see liberals up in arms about Trump but didn't have a damn thing to say about the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians under Biden.

It's almost as if you have no moral standing. You're more Democrat than you are an actual liberal it seems.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Bruh. Comparing this to what's happening in the middle east is completely misguided and insensitive. This is why the country has tuned out from what Democrats are saying. You think everything in the world revolves around Donald Trump and has administration. Nobody is going to be systematically mass murdering trans people.

It's the funniest thing to see liberals up in arms about Trump but didn't have a damn thing to say about the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians under Biden.

It's almost as if you have no moral standing. You're more Democrat than you are an actual liberal it seems.

I'm going to be real. I don't care about the rest of the world right now. We need to get our own house in order.

I couldn't give a shit less about Democrats.

You're just talking gibberish at this point. I was very clearly opposed to Israeli action against Palestine.

Unfortunately, we aren't in a position to have any say now because we have Donald Trump in power. Literally nothing we do means anything until he's gone because he's not going to listen to a fucking thing we say.

People worrying about anything other than Donald Trump winning were fooling themselves. You can bitch about what's happening in Palestine or the rest of the world all you want. We are powerless to do anything about it because we have elected an authoritarian oligarch who is destroying our ability to do anything.

All of our complaining about other countries is just a worthless distraction at this point.

You're worrying about your neighbor's wife fucking the mailman while your house is burning down.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I'm going to be real. I don't care about the rest of the world right now. We need to get our own house in order.

I couldn't give a shit less about Democrats.

You're just talking gibberish at this point. I was very clearly opposed to Israeli action against Palestine.

Unfortunately, we aren't in a position to have any say now because we have Donald Trump in power. Literally nothing we do means anything until he's gone because he's not going to listen to a fucking thing we say.

People worrying about anything other than Donald Trump winning were fooling themselves. You can bitxb about what's happening in Palestine or the rest of the world all you want. We are powerless to do anything about it because we have elected an authoritarian oligarch who is destroying our ability to do anything.

All of our complaining about other countries is just a worthless distraction at this point.

You're worrying about your neighbor's wife fucking the mailman while your house is burning down.

Bingo! Some folks are more worried about what our politicians AREN'T doing with and about other countries, rather than worry about what our politicians AREN'T doing for and about our own country. Screw both Israel AND Palestine. One is no better than the other. Try as I might I just don't really understand (or care to understand) what our "national interests" are in that particular area. We should have smacked both Israel and Palestine hard. And when they both flipped us off, we should have walked. Trump and his minions are hell bent on stopping U.S. funds going to virtually every other foreign country. Why is Israel any different? We call them our allies but they piss on our legs every chance they get. They're like the scrawny little, mouthy school yard punk who trashes and pokes everyone with impunity because they have the biggest bully in the world (next to Russia) to back them up without question. If we're going to pull the plug on the rest of the world, Israel should be at the top of the list. Again, they are a country founded via a combination of terrorism and collective world wide guilt. And don't even try to accuse me of being an anti semite. I'm just trying to call balls and strikes as I see them.......the actual roots of the conflict are so old, convoluted and misrepresented I'm not sure anyone honestly untangle or adequately explain them.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I'm going to be real. I don't care about the rest of the world right now. We need to get our own house in order.

I couldn't give a shit less about Democrats.

You're just talking gibberish at this point. I was very clearly opposed to Israeli action against Palestine.

Unfortunately, we aren't in a position to have any say now because we have Donald Trump in power. Literally nothing we do means anything until he's gone because he's not going to listen to a fucking thing we say.

People worrying about anything other than Donald Trump winning were fooling themselves. You can bitxb about what's happening in Palestine or the rest of the world all you want. We are powerless to do anything about it because we have elected an authoritarian oligarch who is destroying our ability to do anything.

All of our complaining about other countries is just a worthless distraction at this point.

You're worrying about your neighbor's wife fucking the mailman while your house is burning down.

That's where you're wrong. A foreign nation is occupying our country and stealing billions when our people can't afford housing and healthcare. That is a much larger issue than Trump. They are the ones who put him in the Whitehouse. If you don't solve that, you're going to see worse than Trump, which we already have.

This has everything to do with our country.

 

[Phatguysrule]

That's where you're wrong. A foreign nation is occupying our country and stealing billions when our people can't afford housing and healthcare. That is a much larger issue than Trump. They are the ones who put him in the Whitehouse. If you don't solve that, you're going to see worse than Trump, which we already have.

This has everything to do with our country.

We don't solve that by worrying about Israel or Palestine. We solve that by fixing our own issues right here by addressing our own house.

If we ever get our house in order it won't be possible for Israel (or any other country) to corrupt our leaders.

But worrying about what Israel is doing now wherever they're doing it is pointless. It's just a distraction. We have more important issues to deal with right here. We can't help anybody until we can at least get back to where we were under the prior administration.

Unfortunately that extends to Ukraine. Europe is going to have to help them until we can get our shit figured out.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

We don't solve that by worrying about Israel or Palestine. We solve that by fixing our own issues right here by addressing our own house.

We solve that by stopping Israel's influence on the United States. That's the big picture. Small picture is Donald Trump.

If we ever get our house in order it won't be possible for Israel (or any other country) to corrupt our leaders.

Your main priority is removing Donald Trump which does nothing for getting our "house in order." We need to get foreign money and all money out of our system. Removing Trump doesn't change that because they'll just buy another candidate.

But worrying about what Israel is doing now wherever they're doing it is pointless. It's just a distraction. We have more important issues to deal with right here. We can't help anybody until we can at least get back to where we were under the prior administration.

How is it pointless to worry that our billions are going to another nation who is carrying out a genocide? You won't be saying that on the next attack on American soil. What a shortsighted and rudimentary response.

Unfortunately that extends to Ukraine. Europe is going to have to help them until we can get our shit figured out.

We shouldn't be funding Ukraine either as they push their citizens to war to appease the U.S. military industrial complex.

 

[Phatguysrule]

We solve that by stopping Israel's influence on the United States. That's the big picture. Small picture is Donald Trump.



Your main priority is removing Donald Trump which does nothing for getting our "house in order." We need to get foreign money and all money out of our system. Removing Trump doesn't change that because they'll just buy another candidate.



How is it pointless to worry that our billions are going to another nation who is carrying out a genocide? You won't be saying that on the next attack on American soil. What a shortsighted and rudimentary response.



We shouldn't be funding Ukraine either as they push their citizens to war to appease the U.S. military industrial complex.

When did I say my main priority was removing Donald Trump? I said my main priority was getting our house in order. Which means we need to first survive Donald Trump and maga as long as we have to. Then we'll have to prevent political influence from other countries, and any corporations or oligarchs.

We can't do any of that with Donald Trump in power. The first step is dealing with Donald Trump. Because nothing else can be done with him in the way. And then we need to take steps to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Which is what we should have done after the last time.

Now, our first step is just fighting to maintain the ABILITY to choose. Step two is to prevent it happening again.

You're talking about step 395.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

When did I say my main priority was removing Donald Trump? I said my main priority was getting our house in order. Which means we need to first survive Donald Trump and maga as long as we have to. Then we'll have to prevent political influence from other countries, and any corporations or oligarchs.

It feels like every time we bring up an issue, you tie it back to Trump. Don't miss the moment. With Trump so out of the norm, now is the time to rally people to get sweeping changes done. We would not have that opportunity if it was business as usual under a corporate Democrat.

We can't do any of that with Donald Trump in power. The first step is dealing with Donald Trump. Because nothing else can be done with him in the way. And then we need to take steps to make sure it doesn't happen again.

You're right, we can't. But we can start assembling instead of trying to take it back to "normal." I don't want to live in"normal" when people can't access healthcare or affordable housing. All that would also exist under Democrats. Because Trump is so far reaching, now is the moment to establish those sweeping changes.

Which is what we should have done after the last time.

Now, our first step is just fighting to maintain the ABILITY to choose. Step two is to prevent it happening again.

You're talking about step 395.

Ability to choose what? You keep acting like this is a democracy when most realize it's an oligarchy and the difference between candidates is quite miniscule. I'm talking about step one. There's nothing you can do to Trump with the feckless Democrats in the way for the next four years. They take money from the same people Trump is. If you stop that money source, you might actually get them to take action. Until then it's a fairytale.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It feels like every time we bring up an issue, you tie it back to Trump. Don't miss the moment. With Trump so out of the norm, now is the time to rally people to get sweeping changes done. We would not have that opportunity if it was business as usual under a corporate Democrat.



You're right, we can't. But we can start assembling instead of trying to take it back to "normal." I don't want to live in"normal" when people can't access healthcare or affordable housing. All that would also exist under Democrats. Because Trump is so far reaching, now is the moment to establish those sweeping changes.



Ability to choose what? You keep acting like this is a democracy when most realize it's an oligarchy and the difference between candidates is quite miniscule. I'm talking about step one. There's nothing you can do to Trump with the feckless Democrats in the way for the next four years. They take money from the same people Trump is. If you stop that money source, you might actually get them to take action. Until then it's a fairytale.

You can't stop that money source without the help of the Democrats. The only option is to get the Democrats on the correct page with as many independents as possible.

We can't do anything about Israel or Ukraine or anything in any other country until Democrats get their shit figured out. Or until people lose complete faith in the Democrats and a valid alternative arises.

Either way, anything happening in any other country has almost no bearing on that.