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jonnyboy said:
You’d think somewhere in the liberal discourse you find some opposition to this move by Biden. After all, there did seem to be a strong anti-wall consensus pretty much across the board on the liberal side. Like enough consensus to call other people racists over it. Where are the anti-wall people now? Are you still out there? Or does everyone just jump to defend power when the policies flip flop? Where’s people’s principles on this one? Not trying to call people out but genuinely curious what liberals think and how this move is defended, if it is.
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I'm an anti-wall person. I think borders should be pretty open just like airports...you go through the checkpoints and enter the country. Joe Biden is not a liberal nor has he ever been or voted as a liberal. He's a hawk and a middle ground conservative who happens to support civil rights legislation and he didn't always support that. Biden is a political survivor for his willingness to cave into conservative legislation that hard core Dems don't favor. Joe is not dumb, he knows the wall will get him some GOP voters that are fed up with the orange douche bag. Trump's wall didn't make him racist, it was his words that made him racist with the rapist, terrorist and murderers coming into the country bullshit. As if our American rapists and terrorists and murderers haven't fled to Mexico for hundreds of years.
 
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jonnyboy said:
You’d think somewhere in the liberal discourse you find some opposition to this move by Biden. After all, there did seem to be a strong anti-wall consensus pretty much across the board on the liberal side. Like enough consensus to call other people racists over it. Where are the anti-wall people now? Are you still out there? Or does everyone just jump to defend power when the policies flip flop? Where’s people’s principles on this one? Not trying to call people out but genuinely curious what liberals think and how this move is defended, if it is.
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The fact that Biden lied, yet again, will not factor into a Biden supporters thinking. Same as with a Trump supporter on Trump's lies.

The only thing that matters is the besmirching of their candidate/party. A good clean party name comes before facts, the truth, etc. .
 
Road Ratt said:
The fact that Biden lied, yet again, will not factor into a Biden supporters thinking. Same as with a Trump supporter on Trump's lies.

The only thing that matters is the besmirching of their candidate/party. A good clean party name comes before facts, the truth, etc. .
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I've asked you many times, who has your support? Who did you vote for?
 
Road Ratt said:
The fact that Biden lied, yet again, will not factor into a Biden supporters thinking. Same as with a Trump supporter on Trump's lies.

The only thing that matters is the besmirching of their candidate/party. A good clean party name comes before facts, the truth, etc. .
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And you're just now figuring that out...........welcome to America.
 
Here is Biden's statement on the subject:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...e-national-security-team-briefing-on-ukraine/

THE PRESIDENT: I’ll answer one question on the border wall. The border wall — the money was appropriated for the border wall. I tried to get to them to reappropriate it, to redirect that money. They didn’t. They wouldn’t. And in the meantime, there’s nothing under the law other than they have to use the money for what it was appropriated. I can’t stop that.

Q Do you believe the border wall works?

THE PRESIDENT: No.
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I do not see anything in here that constitutes a lie. It is, simply, following the law, even if you disagree with the appropriation of the money. You can all yell from here to eternity, but I for one am happy that the president, unlike the previous one, does not act like a dictator and ignores the law, even when it disagrees with his opinion. When presidents do that kind of nonsense, we end up with January 6 style insurrection.

If you complain about the president following the law, quite frankly, you are the effin' problem.
 
andalusian said:
Here is Biden's statement on the subject:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...e-national-security-team-briefing-on-ukraine/



I do not see anything in here that constitutes a lie. It is, simply, following the law, even if you disagree with the appropriation of the money. You can all yell from here to eternity, but I for one am happy that the president, unlike the previous one, does not act like a dictator and ignores the law, even when it disagrees with his opinion. When presidents do that kind of nonsense, we end up with January 6 style insurrection.

If you complain about the president following the law, quite frankly, you are the effin' problem.
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I'm complaining about the president waiving environmental laws to expedite thw will of congress that he claims to disagree with.

Does not compute.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I'm complaining about the president waiving environmental laws to expedite thw will of congress that he claims to disagree with.

Does not compute.
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I am going to suspect there is a order of importance of laws, I know there is in other areas, so I suspect they know what they are doing. I am sure that if they are wrong, someone will sue the government for that. I would suspect that the government "waving" the laws is just a click-bait article header not understanding the precedence, but I might be wrong.

The simplest example for precedence I can give you is from the CA driving code - in a 4 way stop (or all way stop, I suspect), the first one to arrive to a stop has the right of way, but if multiple cars arrive to the stop at the same time, the one on the right has the right of way - so, we have 2 laws here, but one of them has precedence over the other. If a guy on the left stopped first, he has right of way even tho the guy on the right has the right of way if they arrived to a stop at the same time.

I would imagine that's exactly what happened here and the government had to follow that precedence of laws. I just do not see any reason for the Biden administration which is on record as opposing the waste of money on the wall not to do so. Let's just say that I find online or newspaper articles on the interpretation of law to be of suspect quality vs. actual people that deal with the law - and that's what I believe is happening here.
 
Trump chatted about nuclear submarines secrets with an Australian Mar a Lago member, who shared information with friends and media. Information included how many warheads on ships, how close they could get without being detected, etc.

But Biden is old.
 
With himself as Exhibit A, Trump said "we have the worst education in the large world, the world we know". As opposed to the small world, I guess?

And while he threatens to execute General Millie, said shoplifting suspects should be killed without charges or trial, declared immigrants are poisoning our blood, Newsweek blamed Biden's language for increase in political violence.
 
barfo said:
link?

barfo
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https://crooksandliars.com/2023/10/trump-we-have-worst-education-almost-large

Want more from stable genius?
He said he loves Hannibal Lecter. Because Lecter is a great actor who loves him. Lecter of course is fictional character played by Anthony Hopkins, who famously dislikes politics and never said he loves Trump.
https://crooksandliars.com/2023/10/donald-trump-hannibal-lecter-i-love-him
Also, he has a better body than Biden.
https://crooksandliars.com/2023/10/trump-biden-i-have-much-better-body-him
 
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. will run for president as an independent and drop his Democratic primary bid

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BY ALI SWENSON
Updated 9:57 AM PDT, October 9, 2023

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Longtime environmental lawyer and anti-vaccine activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said Monday he will run for president as an independent and drop his Democratic primary bid, adding a wrinkle to a 2024 race heading toward a likely rematch between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump.

Kennedy, a member of one of the most famous Democratic families in politics, was running a long-shot primary bid and has better favorability ratings among Republicans than Democrats. It’s unclear whether GOP support would translate to a general election when Kennedy would also be running against Trump. Allies of both Biden and Trump have at times questioned whether Kennedy would be a spoiler against their candidate.

Biden’s allies so far have dismissed Kennedy’s primary campaign as unserious. Asked for comment on his potential independent run, a Democratic National Committee spokesman responded with an eye roll emoji.

Awaiting Kennedy’s remarks Monday, hundreds of supporters gathered at Philadelphia’s Independence Mall, an apt location for the launch. Campaign signs teased a potential new slogan: “Declare your independence.”
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More than a little funny that Republicans were eagerly funding Kennedy when he was running against Biden, but now that he's decided to run in the general, they're afraid he'll take more votes from Trump.

And that's probably a correct calculation. The democratic voters who'd vote for anyone named Kennedy are mostly dead now, and Trump and Kennedy will be splitting the conspiracy theorist/anti-establishment/anti-science/pro-Putin voters.

barfo
 
Alabama banned a children's book titled Read Me a Story, Stella. The book is about a brother and sister who build a dog house together. No sex, no profanity, no politics, no queers. The book was banned following complaint by hate group Clean Up Alabama. Because the author's name is Marie-Louise Gay.
 
crandc said:
Alabama banned a children's book titled Read Me a Story, Stella. The book is about a brother and sister who build a dog house together. No sex, no profanity, no politics, no queers. The book was banned following complaint by hate group Clean Up Alabama. Because the author's name is Marie-Louise Gay.
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It occurs to me that Lincoln could have made a wiser decision when he was informed that the South wanted to secede from the Union. Instead of that “a house divided” nonsense, he should have just gone with “Bye bye, nut jobs”.
 
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e_blazer said:
It occurs to me that Lincoln could have made a wiser decision when he was informed that the South wasted to secede from the Union. Instead of that “a house divided” nonsense, he should have just gone with “Bye bye, nut jobs”.
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They take their inbreeding very seriously down there......
 
crandc said:
Alabama banned a children's book titled Read Me a Story, Stella. The book is about a brother and sister who build a dog house together. No sex, no profanity, no politics, no queers. The book was banned following complaint by hate group Clean Up Alabama. Because the author's name is Marie-Louise Gay.
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I thought maybe it was because a girl was building things. They will find anything to ban a book down there.
 
Idaho:
1. Outlawed all abortion
2. Turned down $36 million in federal money for childcare
3. Voted to end Medicaid coverage two months postpartum
4. Disbanded a state committee that investigated causes of maternal death.

It's not about "life", it's punish the sluts.
 
crandc said:
Alabama banned a children's book titled Read Me a Story, Stella. The book is about a brother and sister who build a dog house together. No sex, no profanity, no politics, no queers. The book was banned following complaint by hate group Clean Up Alabama. Because the author's name is Marie-Louise Gay.
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"Flagged for review" =/= "banned"
 
PtldPlatypus said:
"Flagged for review" =/= "banned"
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Depends on the number of books that have been flagged and if there is an actual person or group meeting to review them.

In business and government, it's called Death by Committee.
 
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