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The right has gone so full-tilt christofascist, the only logical conclusion:

They believe they are here to bring about the end times prophecy shite. They are trying to be as terrible as possible to fulfill the persecution complex bullshit. It's a death cult. And they run things.
 
The right has gone so full-tilt christofascist, the only logical conclusion:

They believe they are here to bring about the end times prophecy shite. They are trying to be as terrible as possible to fulfill the persecution complex bullshit. It's a death cult. And they run things.
They are just ignorant, selfish, and greedy. As are our president and pretty much anybody the DNC supports.
 
As are all humans, to some degree.

The degree matters, though. A lot.

This both-siderism is bullshit.

barfo
Sure. How's the green new deal coming? How about increased access to healthcare? Education? Right... we're INCREASING the cost of those things with total Dem control... And drill baby drill...

You know what's bullshit? Constantly giving Dems a pass because they blow smoke up your ass.
 
Sure. How's the green new deal coming? How about increased access to healthcare? Education? Right... we're INCREASING the cost of those things with total Dem control... And drill baby drill...

You know what's bullshit? Constantly giving Dems a pass because they blow smoke up your ass.

If you can get people to be blindly partisan over social issues, it’s easier to steal all their money and continue to tax them without any actual representation. Both parties work for the same people and it’s not you or me. It’s hard to even call it both-siderism when there is really only one side at the end of the day.
 
Sure. How's the green new deal coming? How about increased access to healthcare? Education? Right... we're INCREASING the cost of those things with total Dem control... And drill baby drill...

You know what's bullshit? Constantly giving Dems a pass because they blow smoke up your ass.

"The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them."
- Julius Nyerere
 
Sure. How's the green new deal coming? How about increased access to healthcare? Education? Right... we're INCREASING the cost of those things with total Dem control... And drill baby drill...

You know what's bullshit? Constantly giving Dems a pass because they blow smoke up your ass.

Not giving them a pass, but at the same time recognizing that (a) they don't really have full control because of Manchin and Sinema, and (b) even if they do nothing, they aren't actively working to do things like ban abortions, dismantle the EPA, give tax cuts to the rich, etc etc. Unlike a certain other party we could name.

barfo
 
If you can get people to be blindly partisan over social issues, it’s easier to steal all their money and continue to tax them without any actual representation. Both parties work for the same people and it’s not you or me. It’s hard to even call it both-siderism when there is really only one side at the end of the day.

Yes, and red looks the same as blue if you keep your eyes closed. 99 and 1 are the same thing, they are both numbers. Etc.

barfo
 
Not giving them a pass, but at the same time recognizing that (a) they don't really have full control because of Manchin and Sinema, and (b) even if they do nothing, they aren't actively working to do things like ban abortions, dismantle the EPA, give tax cuts to the rich, etc etc. Unlike a certain other party we could name.

barfo

Oh they are doing something. They are increasing drilling at an incredibly rapid pace. Also raising the price of healthcare. They are in the way of people who would actually do good.

Of course Dems aren't actively for those things. That would wreck the whole thing. They are supposed to say they are opposed to those things. If they all publicly said they were for those things people who stop giving them money.https://archive.ph/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/us/politics/biden-abortion-rights.html

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Oh they are doing something. They are increasing drilling at an incredibly rapid pace.


Evidence? I don't think Democrats actually do any drilling themselves. Oil companies aren't increasing drilling, in fact there is plenty of criticism of them from some quarters for sitting on the leases they have instead of drilling. See e.g. this article (which I haven't read yet, I'm just guessing from the title it supports what I just said).

Also raising the price of healthcare. They are in the way of people who would actually do good.

Not sure what this refers to either.

barfo
 

Evidence? I don't think Democrats actually do any drilling themselves. Oil companies aren't increasing drilling, in fact there is plenty of criticism of them from some quarters for sitting on the leases they have instead of drilling. See e.g. this article (which I haven't read yet, I'm just guessing from the title it supports what I just said).



Not sure what this refers to either.

barfo

@Phatguysrule has gone full @Road Ratt apparently.
 
the infrastructure bill introduced by Biden was killed off by the coal state democrat and the entire rebuplican vote....dems don't have a 2/3rds majority so passing these laws takes bipartisan cooperation...and no republican wants to see Biden succed. Failure as a political voting tool is ruining the country. I'm not impressed with the Dems at all...but I'm pissed at the Republicans for making lies the tools of debate and standing behind corruption and sedition at the highest level of government. Democrats have plenty of flaws and bs in their ranks but compared to the Republicans that have stonewalled democracy behind the insurrection....yeah...it's a much bigger problem and to those who think the fault is equally spread out...don't fool yourselves.
 

Evidence? I don't think Democrats actually do any drilling themselves. Oil companies aren't increasing drilling, in fact there is plenty of criticism of them from some quarters for sitting on the leases they have instead of drilling. See e.g. this article (which I haven't read yet, I'm just guessing from the title it supports what I just said).
Infuriating climate activists, Biden expands oil drilling on public land

Biden Plans to Open More Public Land to Drilling


Not sure what this refers to either.
Largest-ever Medicare premium hikes: Biden just handed a huge “gift to McConnell” ahead of midterms

CMS finalizes 8.5% rate hike for Medicare Advantage, Part D


 
Biden went after guns......that explains that in my view.
This has been my view on Biden forever. The only reason I voted for him was Trump is a far bigger scumbag, and an immediate threat to our country.

It's interesting how people need to compartmentalize others... "Team Politics" are a big part of the problem. We're supposed to hold these people to a high standard...

Besides, I'd support Bernie for president and he's caved to DNC pressure on guns as well.

Sorry if I don't fit one of your compartments...
 
Biden did this to help workers get a break on oil prices....new circumstances have come up since he was elected concerning energy costs and his green infrastructure bill got a no vote ..it's not like he wasn't trying to transition to clean energy...he didn't have the votes to make that happen, then this war changed everything recently....as a president you need to adapt to circumstances. That's what I see him trying to do. Some rate hikes are directly tied to inflation as well....and I'm supposed to get a bump in Social Security benefits but my medicare costs haven't changed nor have I recieved any notice that they will....what's changed is the value of the dollar. This is one of the toughest eras of American politics to weather. The pandemic and trade wars and rise of facism have made people who wanted to avoid foreign wars, have no choice at a big cost to the world...not just America. Joe won't have time to fix the country...as I've always said...he's a band aid president who has to clean up a big mess from the previous idiot and try to put people who are good at their job back in those jobs...Trump fired them all
at this point I'm grateful for small successes given we almost became a monarchy dictatorship
 
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The only thing Democrats are worse at than Republicans is messaging. Republicans can find a way of selling things that are in fact killing their constituents, and they make it compelling because it is basically easier - think masks, or fossil fuels. Democrats, even main stream ones like Biden, are generally on the right side of things but their messaging sucks. They need better messaging, and stop explaining things to such a degree that people fall asleep. Republicans understand this, and are okay with being disingenuous snake oil salesmen.
 
the infrastructure bill introduced by Biden was killed off by the coal state democrat and the entire rebuplican vote....dems don't have a 2/3rds majority so passing these laws takes bipartisan cooperation...and no republican wants to see Biden succed. Failure as a political voting tool is ruining the country. I'm not impressed with the Dems at all...but I'm pissed at the Republicans for making lies the tools of debate and standing behind corruption and sedition at the highest level of government. Democrats have plenty of flaws and bs in their ranks but compared to the Republicans that have stonewalled democracy behind the insurrection....yeah...it's a much bigger problem and to those who think the fault is equally spread out...don't fool yourselves.
Nobody said anything was equal. I'm not sure where that's coming from.
 
Biden did this to help workers get a break on oil prices....new circumstances have come up since he was elected concerning energy costs and his green infrastructure bill got a no vote ..it's not like he wasn't trying to transition to clean energy...he didn't have the votes to make that happen, then this war changed everything recently....as a president you need to adapt to circumstances. That's what I see him trying to do. Some rate hikes are directly tied to inflation as well....and I'm supposed to get a bump in Social Security benefits but my medicare costs haven't changed nor have I recieved any notice that they will....what's changed is the value of the dollar.

The irony is the same folks screaming bloody murder for Biden not getting results in a democracy designed to make change and progress slow, are the same people angry at other politicians that are happy to sideline said democracy to get results.. Just not quite the results they want. I can't quite square what they actually want, results or democracy. Being a Democrat is hard, they generally follow the rules and traditions of government because they value, well, rules, tradition, and democracy, even when those things get in the way of what they seemingly want. Republicans have a much easier time of things because they don't care about any of that and just want results, case in point like at the rulings of the Beef Supreme court in the last two weeks. They overturned precedent and used logically inconsistent arguments in back to back cases to get the results they wanted rather than interpreting the law in a way that is consistent and coherent.
 
Sure. How's the green new deal coming? How about increased access to healthcare? Education? Right... we're INCREASING the cost of those things with total Dem control... And drill baby drill...

You know what's bullshit? Constantly giving Dems a pass because they blow smoke up your ass.
yeah...this post wasn't me compartmentalizing you...it was you compartmentalizing dems with some whataboutisms.....I responded to this..as if you think Joe wanted to lose his infrastructure bill....fact is he didn't. And Dems don't have a 2/3rds majority so they don't have "control" of voting blocks.....another thing you've compartmentalized my friend...the connection I made was you really, really disagree with the gun laws and since that debate have changed tact a bit around partisan issues. .I'm just a guy reading opinions. Tossing out a few of my own. You and I have one major issue disagreement but I think you've lumped a lot into that that isn't a point of contention at all concerning me at least. Joe's had very little time in office to affect major changes...they say in govt it takes 7 years to affect change which is why a president wants that second term to put their stamp on the country.
 
The only thing Democrats are worse at than Republicans is messaging. Republicans can find a way of selling things that are in fact killing their constituents, and they make it compelling because it is basically easier - think masks, or fossil fuels. Democrats, even main stream ones like Biden, are generally on the right side of things but their messaging sucks. They need better messaging, and stop explaining things to such a degree that people fall asleep. Republicans understand this, and are okay with being disingenuous snake oil salesmen.

Joe Biden has been on the wrong side of just about every important debate in his political career...

Joe Biden didn't just compromise with segregationists He fought for their cause
Joe Biden Has Advocated Cutting Social Security for 40 Years
Joe Biden, Mass Incarceration Zealot - Jacobin
Flashback: When Biden opposed Roe; when Trump supported it




 
you don't like Joe....got it...I like democracy...he's my only hope to save it...ghost dancing over 50 years of someone's career doesn't do anything for today and today's problems.
 

I qualified my statement by saying 'generally' -- I think it would be hard for you to come up with a compelling way of convincing me Democrats as a whole are as bad as Republicans as a whole. The parties are different, I am sorry but your narrative is false, and although I know you are upset that they are not achieving more, and I can sympathize with your frustration, it doesn't help in any way to lump them together. Even Joe Manchin is better than virtually any Republican in office even if I only agree with him on about 50-70% of subjects, that is 50-70% more than any Republican currently in congress.

Saying Joe Biden or Joe Manchin is just as bad as a Republican is not only not true, it is counter productive to what you claim to be your agenda.
 
yeah...this post wasn't me compartmentalizing you...it was you compartmentalizing dems with some whataboutisms.....I responded to this..as if you think Joe wanted to lose his infrastructure bill....fact is he didn't. And Dems don't have a 2/3rds majority so they don't have "control" of voting blocks.....another thing you've compartmentalized my friend...the connection I made was you really, really disagree with the gun laws and since that debate have changed tact a bit around partisan issues. .I'm just a guy reading opinions. Tossing out a few of my own.

I haven't changed anything. I've been critical of Biden all along. The only compliment I've ever given him was that he wasn't as bad as Trump. I've made many posts criticizing democrats, and Joe Biden, prior to the recent gun debate.

I don't really really disagree with gun laws. I disagree with spreading misinformation. I oppose laws and restrictions which do not clearly make a positive impact. I have actually proposed gun laws with that in mind. I really disagree with Democrats dishonest attempts to restrict law abiding Americans of their rights.

Again, this feels a lot like you trying to compartmentalize me because we disagree on guns.

Since when is calling Dems out for their lies whataboutism? Again, we should be very critical of these people. Otherwise it's just Team Politics, which is exactly what they want.
 
Where did this weird saying "blowing smoke up your ass" ever come from? Is that supposed to be some sort of magnet for extending trust?
 
The only thing Democrats are worse at than Republicans is messaging. Republicans can find a way of selling things that are in fact killing their constituents, and they make it compelling because it is basically easier - think masks, or fossil fuels. Democrats, even main stream ones like Biden, are generally on the right side of things but their messaging sucks. They need better messaging, and stop explaining things to such a degree that people fall asleep. Republicans understand this, and are okay with being disingenuous snake oil salesmen.
Or they have a much much dumber base. Selling to the derp derp party pretty easy.
 
I haven't changed anything. I've been critical of Biden all along. The only compliment I've ever given him was that he wasn't as bad as Trump. I've made many posts criticizing democrats, and Joe Biden, prior to the recent gun debate.

I don't really really disagree with gun laws. I disagree with spreading misinformation. I oppose laws and restrictions which do not clearly make a positive impact. I have actually proposed gun laws with that in mind. I really disagree with Democrats dishonest attempts to restrict law abiding Americans of their rights.

Again, this feels a lot like you trying to compartmentalize me because we disagree on guns.

Since when is calling Dems out for their lies whataboutism? Again, we should be very critical of these people. Otherwise it's just Team Politics, which is exactly what they want.
I don't know who "they" are or what they want but no politician has me by the short and curlies...I'm not holding up signs and waiving flags. I'm very critical of any liar or threat against my freedoms and choices. As to guns....that's not such a partisan issue...plenty of non republicans love and own guns...that's a topic of controversy that is not controlled by either party at all. Gas prices I can wait out but my truck driving friend can't...global warming is a moot point when the world is bombing the shit out of sovereign nations. We're feeding the war with bombs and weapons that cause hell on the environment and global warming but that doesn't mean we don't prefer peace....shit happens and people will shoot each other over it. Arms dealers are in hog heaven over war. Biden tried diplomacy with Russia and they didn't come to the table willing peace
 
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