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Then quite talking about other cases. You act like I've been advocating for each and every death sentence since the beginning of time. I'm talking about true exceptions.
I don't believe a government exists which can be trusted with that kind of power. If they are executing people some will be innocent.

And there is no benefit to the death penalty which is worth more innocent people dying.
 
Please tell us what is best for victims.

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Police and the judicial system aren't equipped to do anything for the victims once the threat has been neutralized.

Nothing that helps the victims is worth the further loss of innocent life. And any government that executes prisoners will make mistakes and execute innocent people.

In the US, that number is between 3 and 4 innocent people executed per year since the 1970s.

Unless you think government can be infallible.
 
I don't believe a government exists which can be trusted with that kind of power. If they are executing people some will be innocent.
I thought it was the jury, not the government. I don't know the threshold in which the death penalty should be applied. Clearly higher than it's been if even a single innocent person was sentenced.

But I'm positive that whatever the threshold is, I know it’s less than when a guy pleads guilty to 17 murders at a school, mostly children, and surveillance video shows him as he murdered said 17 people, even going back to those he wounded and shooting them again, and there's hard evidence that he had planned it for several months which shows the murders were cold, calculated and premeditated which is one of the aggravating factors the jury was suppose to take into account. And the response you have is that because innocent people have been sentenced to death in the past that therefore this guy shouldn't be put to death. Okay, that's what you're going with but I don't understand it.

The jury said that prosecutors had convinced them that the killings warranted the death penalty but they felt the circumstances of this poor little depraved psycho, which were the focus of the defense, outweighed what he did. Once they acknowledge the crime warrants a death penalty that should be the end of the story. The circumstances don’t lessen what he did in any way, shape or form, and saying it does is a slap in the face to the victims and their families. The jury is basically saying that if the shooter were sane and shot up a school, then it would warrant the death penalty because the shooter's circumstances would have been better. Makes perfect sense.
 
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I thought it was the jury, not the government. I don't know the threshold in which the death penalty should be applied. Clearly higher than it's been if even a single innocent person was sentenced.

But I'm positive that whatever the threshold is, I know it’s less than when a guy pleads guilty to 17 murders at a school, mostly children, and surveillance video shows him as he murdered said 17 people, even going back to those he wounded and shooting them again, and there's hard evidence that he had planned it for several months which shows the murders were cold, calculated and premeditated which is one of the aggravating factors the jury was suppose to take into account. And the response you have is that because innocent people have been sentenced to death in the past that therefore this guy shouldn't be put to death. Okay, that's what you're going with but I don't understand it.

The jury said that prosecutors had convinced them that the killings warranted the death penalty but they felt the circumstances of this poor little depraved psycho, which were the focus of the defense, outweighed what he did. Once they acknowledge the crime warrants a death penalty that should be the end of the story. The circumstances don’t lessen what he did in any way, shape or form, and saying it does is a slap in the face to the victims and their families. The jury is basically saying that if the shooter were sane and shot up a school, then it would warrant the death penalty because the shooter's circumstances would have been better. Makes perfect sense.
There is no system which would exclude the possibility of the government and a jury executing innocent people. And the government executing people is not beneficial to society according to any metric.

Our government and juries are particularly prone to wrongly convicting poor and minorities.

So I'm not in favor of allowing a government or jury that power.
 
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Tulsi Gabbard began her career as an official Republican by campaigning for Republican nominee for Senate in New Hampshire, saying she wants to turn out female voters for him. This is the candidate who said women's health care should be decided by the gentlemen in the state legislature.
I've been trying to remember who Tulsi Gabbard was and just now I remember, she's that klutz who ran for President as a Democrat. Never did like her.
 
Pennsylvania health care worker pled guilty and was sentenced to 14 to 17 years on abuse and hate crime charges. He worked in facility for severely physically and mentally disabled people. They cannot walk and are non verbal. Over a period of years he beat them, sprayed noxious chemicals in their faces, and verbally abused them. He also recorded the assaults for his viewing pleasure.
 
Pennsylvania health care worker pled guilty and was sentenced to 14 to 17 years on abuse and hate crime charges. He worked in facility for severely physically and mentally disabled people. They cannot walk and are non verbal. Over a period of years he beat them, sprayed noxious chemicals in their faces, and verbally abused them. He also recorded the assaults for his viewing pleasure.
He'll surely be offered a speaking role at the next CPAC.
 
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Trump hits out at American Jews and tells them to get their 'act together' and be more like Israelis and 'appreciate' him - but praises 'wonderful Evangelicals' for their support
  • Donald Trump made the comments on his Truth Social app on Sunday morning
  • He said he was popular enough in Israel to become its prime minister
  • The Anti-Defamation League told DailyMail.com that Trump's remarks were 'insulting and disgusting' and called them 'Jewsplaining'
  • It's not his first time criticizing American Jews who don't support him
  • It comes after rapper Ye was removed from Twitter for being anti-Semitic
  • Co-founder of group Boundless Israel accused Trump of making a 'veiled threat'
  • Trump had accused Jews who voted for Democrats of being 'disloyal' in 2019
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...merican-Jews-act-appreciate-bizarre-post.html
 
Kanye West says 'the Jewish media locked me out' for claiming 'white' Louis Vuitton caused Virgil Abloh's deadly cancer as he launches into fresh anti-Semitic rant: Troubled star also says fentanyl killed George Floyd and not Minneapolis cops
  • Kanye West did not hold back during his appearance Revolt TV's Drinks Champs podcast
  • West, 45, ranted that the 'Jewish media' blocked a recent interview that he did on HBO's The Shop with the show's co-host saying that the rapper's segment was pulled because of his use of hate speech
  • The College Dropout rapper said that George Floyd's death in 2020 was due to fentanyl and not because of police brutality
  • He also reiterated an earlier claim that Louis Vuitton designer Virgil Abloh's death was due to the famed fashion house
  • In further anti-Semitic remarks, West said: 'Jewish people have owned the black voice'
  • When challenged about his use of the phrase: 'White Lives Matter' on his t-shirt, West said a shirt isn't going to change the fact that black people are getting killed everyday
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ys-speaks-Jewish-media-Louis-Vuitton-BLM.html
 
Kellyanne Conway, of the alternative facts, claims Trump is lying less frequently about the 2020 election.

Now that's a recommendation!

(Also not true.)
 
Kellyanne Conway, of the alternative facts, claims Trump is lying less frequently about the 2020 election.

Now that's a recommendation!

(Also not true.)

She doesn't look well.

 
Tucker Carlson is back to promoting his mockumentary The End of Men, which argued straight white men are in danger of bad things due to feminism and "wokeness". The solution is to eat raw eggs and tan their testicles. He promoted some nut case who chugs 30 raw eggs daily.

May I hope for salmonella? Not lethal, just enough to keep these manly men doubled over the toilet retching their guts out for a few days.
 
Tucker Carlson is back to promoting his mockumentary The End of Men, which argued straight white men are in danger of bad things due to feminism and "wokeness". The solution is to eat raw eggs and tan their testicles. He promoted some nut case who chugs 30 raw eggs daily.

May I hope for salmonella? Not lethal, just enough to keep these manly men doubled over the toilet retching their guts out for a few days.
We'll, if I'm going to be doubled over at least I'll be looking at tanned testicles!
 
Tucker Carlson is back to promoting his mockumentary The End of Men, which argued straight white men are in danger of bad things due to feminism and "wokeness". The solution is to eat raw eggs and tan their testicles. He promoted some nut case who chugs 30 raw eggs daily.

May I hope for salmonella? Not lethal, just enough to keep these manly men doubled over the toilet retching their guts out for a few days.
Leave the hoping for lethal to me. That’s my thing. Fuck these guys. Lethal salmonella all the way.
 
Tucker Carlson is back to promoting his mockumentary The End of Men, which argued straight white men are in danger of bad things due to feminism and "wokeness". The solution is to eat raw eggs and tan their testicles. He promoted some nut case who chugs 30 raw eggs daily.

May I hope for salmonella? Not lethal, just enough to keep these manly men doubled over the toilet retching their guts out for a few days.

He's an interesting cat, at least..

 
I have tea every day for the last 20 or so years. I prefer jasmine with clover honey.

I prefer earl grey with a splash of milk.
 
I prefer earl grey with a splash of milk.
I've tried drinking Earl Grey many times but never did like it and I had to give up because we no longer go to Spirit Mountain where Earl Grey is both plentiful and free. I can afford the two teas I like, jasmine and black.
 
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