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Wow, see what happens when you go to sleep? I wake up and our draft pick (who I kind of liked, loved his wacky outfit!) is gone, Blakie is gone (no big surprise) and Some Other Dude is a Blazer. I confess, I just don't pay that much attention to Eastern teams. What can you tell me about this Plumlee cat? BNM, you seem to be a fan.

You're right, should be an interesting few weeks.
 
Rasta is in the middle of an epic meltdown that has spanned 48 hours. What else can Neil do to piss you off?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Rasta is in the middle of an epic meltdown that has spanned 48 hours. What else can Neil do to piss you off?
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Haha. It's been a long time coming.

Didn't we declare you can't use meltdown unless it's of PapaG proportions, though?
 
Although it's not a perfect measure of success, here's a list of the 2013 Draft, sorted by Win Share per game:

1. Rudy Gobert, 0.076 (9.7/127)
2. Mason Plumlee, 0.062 (9.4/152)
3. Gorgui Dieng, 0.053 (7.1/133)
4. Nerlens Noel, 0.053 (4.0/75)
5. Robert Covington, 0.052 (4.0/77)
6. Kelly Olynyk, 0.049 (6.5/134)
7. Giannis Antetokounmpo, 0.047 (7.4/158)
8. Steven Adams, 0.046 (7.0/151)
9. Cody Zeller, 0.045 (6.5/144)
10. Solomon Hill, 0.035 (2.1/60)
11. Mike Muscala, 0.035 (60/2.1)
12. Alex Len, 0.032 (3.6/111)
13. Victor Oladipo, 0.032 (4.8/152)
14. Shabazz Muhammad, 0.031 (2.3/75)
15. James Ennis, 0.031 (1.9/62)
16. Matthew Dellavedova, 0.029 (4.0/139)
17. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, 0.028 (4.6/162)
18. Jeff Withey, 0.027 (2.6/95)
19. Andre Roberson, 0.027 (4.0/149)
20. Tony Snell, 0.027 (4.0/149)
21. Ryan Kelly, 0.026 (2.9/111)
22. Tim Hardaway Jr., 0.026 (3.9/151)
23. Dewayne Dedmon, 0.026 (2.3/90)
24. Otto Porter, 0.024 (2.7/111)
25. Isaiah Canaan, 0.023 (1.6/69)
26. Trey Burke, 0.023 (3.3/146)
27. Ben McLemore, 0.020 (3.3/164)
28. CJ McCollum, 0.020 (2.0/100)
29. Allen Crabbe, 0.020 (1.3/66)
30. Michael Carter-Williams, 0.015 (2.1/136)

The data comes from basketball-reference.com.

I'd say picking up Mason Plumlee for this year's #23 (plus gaining some cap space) was a darn good trade!
 
42N8Bounce said:
Although it's not a perfect measure of success, here's a list of the 2013 Draft, sorted by Win Share per game:

1. Rudy Gobert, 0.076 (9.7/127)
2. Mason Plumlee, 0.062 (9.4/152)
3. Gorgui Dieng, 0.053 (7.1/133)
4. Nerlens Noel, 0.053 (4.0/75)
5. Robert Covington, 0.052 (4.0/77)
6. Kelly Olynyk, 0.049 (6.5/134)
7. Giannis Antetokounmpo, 0.047 (7.4/158)
8. Steven Adams, 0.046 (7.0/151)
9. Cody Zeller, 0.045 (6.5/144)
10. Solomon Hill, 0.035 (2.1/60)
11. Mike Muscala, 0.035 (60/2.1)
12. Alex Len, 0.032 (3.6/111)
13. Victor Oladipo, 0.032 (4.8/152)
14. Shabazz Muhammad, 0.031 (2.3/75)
15. James Ennis, 0.031 (1.9/62)
16. Matthew Dellavedova, 0.029 (4.0/139)
17. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, 0.028 (4.6/162)
18. Jeff Withey, 0.027 (2.6/95)
19. Andre Roberson, 0.027 (4.0/149)
20. Tony Snell, 0.027 (4.0/149)
21. Ryan Kelly, 0.026 (2.9/111)
22. Tim Hardaway Jr., 0.026 (3.9/151)
23. Dewayne Dedmon, 0.026 (2.3/90)
24. Otto Porter, 0.024 (2.7/111)
25. Isaiah Canaan, 0.023 (1.6/69)
26. Trey Burke, 0.023 (3.3/146)
27. Ben McLemore, 0.020 (3.3/164)
28. CJ McCollum, 0.020 (2.0/100)
29. Allen Crabbe, 0.020 (1.3/66)
30. Michael Carter-Williams, 0.015 (2.1/136)

The data comes from basketball-reference.com.

I'd say picking up Mason Plumlee for this year's #23 (plus gaining some cap space) was a darn good trade!
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Seems like a stat weighted in favor of bigs
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Haha. It's been a long time coming.

Didn't we declare you can't use meltdown unless it's of PapaG proportions, though?
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I just don't get the problem. Vonleh looks like a really nice pickup, and I'm on the fence about Plumlee because I was happy with RHJ. But honestly I could go either way.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
Seems like a stat weighted in favor of bigs
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Another way to measure success this early in their career is to simply look at how many games they've played. Plumlee is #4 on that list -
1. Ben McLemore, 164 games playes
2. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, 162 games
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo, 158 games
4. Mason Plumlee, 152 games
4. Victor Oladipo, 152 games
6. Steve adams, 151 games
6. Tim Hardaway Jr, 151 games
8. Tony Snell, 149 games
9. Trey Burke, 146 gmaes
10. Cody Zeller, 144 games
26. CJ McCollum, 100 games (of course injuries)
37. Allen Crabbe, 66 games

These numbers are telling me that Plumlee is getting on the floor and making an impact. That's a good sign for a young big.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I just don't get the problem. Vonleh looks like a really nice pickup, and I'm on the fence about Plumlee because I was happy with RHJ. But honestly I could go either way.
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The Batum deal was a solid move, in my opinion. I think the truth about Batum is so much in the middle of where the public opinion sits. He's a glue guy, a guy that does a lot of things that don't always show up. But he also disappears for long stretches.... he's one of those guys you had to watch the game to see his impact on a game because his stat line is not always in line with his performance and effort. I like his potential, but at this point, I've seen enough to believe he's not going to take that next step.

I like Henderson. Always have. Nothing spectacular, but a solid starter in this league. Would be a great first or second man off the bench. But Vonleh.... if you don't like his potential then you don't like basketball. He reminds me of Chris Bosh. Not a huge Bosh fan, but he was once a pretty solid player. If he tuns into Bosh for Portland, no way you can continue to argue this deal is anything but a steal. That being said, I still won't be shocked if he's dealt (but I think we'll get more value out of him than Charlotte did).
 
MARIS61 said:
Here is a player profile for Connaughton from Blazersedge

Strengths:
1) Terrific athlete. Measured off the charts in multiple areas at the draft combine, including vertical jump and lane agility drills. He was a fourth-round pick of the Baltimore Orioles as a pitcher, and had the front end speed to be an Olympic athlete as well.
2) Lights out shooter. Hit 42% of his threes last year in a competitive conference. One of the best distance shooters in the draft, combining a quick release with solid form.
3) Smart player. Understands the offense and has good court vision. Was a visible leader of the Fighting Irish as a senior last season.

Weaknesses:
1) Sub-par defender. Allows players to get past him far too often. Does not have the size to guard small forwards, nor the lateral quickness to defend most guards.
2) Not good 1-on-1. Does not have the moves to shake defenders, and has poor ball control.

http://www.blazersedge.com/2015/6/2...rofile-pat-connaughton-portland-trail-blazers
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I think they said the same thing about Crabbe when he entered the league. If he can become a good defender he'll be a Danny Green/Wesley Matthews level player with more athleticism. Thing is, Danny Green went 46th when he got drafted, and Wes didn't. This guy could be the steal of the second round, and he's a hard worker that plays with passion.
I haven't seen enough of Vonleh to judge him. I've watched a couple full highlight tapes on him but I can tell I didn't see much of what he is.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
The Batum deal was a solid move, in my opinion. I think the truth about Batum is so much in the middle of where the public opinion sits. He's a glue guy, a guy that does a lot of things that don't always show up. But he also disappears for long stretches.... he's one of those guys you had to watch the game to see his impact on a game because his stat line is not always in line with his performance and effort. I like his potential, but at this point, I've seen enough to believe he's not going to take that next step.

I like Henderson. Always have. Nothing spectacular, but a solid starter in this league. Would be a great first or second man off the bench. But Vonleh.... if you don't like his potential then you don't like basketball. He reminds me of Chris Bosh. Not a huge Bosh fan, but he was once a pretty solid player. If he tuns into Bosh for Portland, no way you can continue to argue this deal is anything but a steal. That being said, I still won't be shocked if he's dealt (but I think we'll get more value out of him than Charlotte did).
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I watch almost every blazer game and batum didn't "glue" shit. He was mediocre in every facet...that is, when he wasn't outright sucking.
 
Sinobas said:
I watch almost every blazer game and batum didn't "glue" shit. He was mediocre in every facet...that is, when he wasn't outright sucking.
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You missed this key part, "I think the truth about Batum is so much in the middle of where the public opinion sits." When a significant chunk of the fan base agrees with you, and a significant chunk of the fan base thinks the complete opposite, the truth is likely in the middle. Sorry you can't see that, but I'm not surprised....
 
Last night while most people were sleeping, the Nets traded Mason Plumlee and 41st-overall pick Pat Connaughton to the Portland Trail Blazers for... Steve Blake and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson. This is a bad trade.

Brooklyn is giving Portland one of the better rim-runners in the league in Plumlee, who is entering his third NBA season, as well as a promising 3-and-D prospect in Connaughton. In return, the Nets are getting a point guard nearing the end of his career and an athletic wing who can only play defense.

The biggest loss here for the Nets is Plumlee. Just two years into his career, the Duke product has carved out a fun little niche, establishing himself among the best transitional centers in the league. According to Synergy Sports, he scored 1.37 points per play in transition last season, and scored on over 72 percent of his transition plays.

He’s not a guy you can plant in the post and give the ball to, but his athleticism and understanding of spacing allows him to grab rebounds and slam home just about any lob a guard tosses his way. He’s more or less functioned as the Nets’ version of Tristan Thompson, but because it’s the Nets, nobody really paid attention unless he did something like stuff LeBron at the rim

http://deadsp.in/9KwbH7R
 
Scalma said:
Last night while most people were sleeping, the Nets traded Mason Plumlee and 41st-overall pick Pat Connaughton to the Portland Trail Blazers for... Steve Blake and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson. This is a bad trade.

Brooklyn is giving Portland one of the better rim-runners in the league in Plumlee, who is entering his third NBA season, as well as a promising 3-and-D prospect in Connaughton. In return, the Nets are getting a point guard nearing the end of his career and an athletic wing who can only play defense.

The biggest loss here for the Nets is Plumlee. Just two years into his career, the Duke product has carved out a fun little niche, establishing himself among the best transitional centers in the league. According to Synergy Sports, he scored 1.37 points per play in transition last season, and scored on over 72 percent of his transition plays.

He’s not a guy you can plant in the post and give the ball to, but his athleticism and understanding of spacing allows him to grab rebounds and slam home just about any lob a guard tosses his way. He’s more or less functioned as the Nets’ version of Tristan Thompson, but because it’s the Nets, nobody really paid attention unless he did something like stuff LeBron at the rim

http://deadsp.in/9KwbH7R
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I will openly admit I don't know shit about Plumlee. And for the very same reason you explained. I couldn't stomach watching any Brooklyn game, unless it was against us. And during that time, I don't remember much to say the least.

If we keep Plumlee, I think he will be another benefactor of being next to Aldridge. Boards will be easier to grab, lanes will be open and blocking shots will be much easier. What I've noticed in scouting reports and some YouTube is that he's a gritty hustle player. I love those!
 
Rastapopoulos said:
It's funny: somebody must have told Olshey "leave 'em wanting more" because every time he does a trade we say "there's GOT to be more to this..."
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Pat Conaughton is from Indy...

Not suggesting anything. But interesting. That Vonleh, Plumlee and Connaughton have Indy ties.
 
So I have been watching every highlight video on Plumlee that I can find on YouTube. And I like him but guess what? There is not a SINGLE video that has him shooting (or making) a shot outside the paint. I seriously can not find one! Can anyone else? On one hand this is good. He sticks to what he is good at. Dunking, putbacks, blocks, rebounds, etc. On the other hand don't think for a minute that you are going to get a game similar to Rolo from him. He is pretty bad from the line and I think he knows he can't shoot a jumper so he doesn't. Reminds me of TRob in that he can't shoot it but unlike TRob he knows not to try.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
So I have been watching every highlight video on Plumlee that I can find on YouTube. And I like him but guess what? There is not a SINGLE video that has him shooting (or making) a shot outside the paint. I seriously can not find one! Can anyone else? On one hand this is good. He sticks to what he is good at. Dunking, putbacks, blocks, rebounds, etc. On the other hand don't think for a minute that you are going to get a game similar to Rolo from him. He is pretty bad from the line and I think he knows he can't shoot a jumper so he doesn't. Reminds me of TRob in that he can't shoot it but unlike TRob he knows not to try.
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Sounds like Przy
 
We didn't want a jump shooting rim protector when we have Meyers to shoot from distance. Plumlee has a skill we need and defends the pick and roll really well. Good hands, good rebounder. Finishes in traffic. Real hustler. I enjoyed watching him with Team USA. Defense from a center who can run is the name of the game these days.
 
Both our power forwards are jump shooters. Plumlee doesn't need to be one. He's also 25 which is good
 
Plumlee is the dirty work big we desperately need. Finishes at the rim, blocks shots and sets hard screens.

RoLo just isn't that guy. He is a big body with a decent game 10 feet and in. Not much else.
 
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