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[ThugginPaulyGAllen]

So, with Plumlee underachieving so far in preseason, and Project Pat somewhat living up to that nickname, is anybody wishing we could have a take-back on this deal?

Glad to have Lopez gone; I like what Plumlee brings. He isn't as awful as you make him sound. He is averaging 6&5 in 20 mins on 72% shooting. I'd like to see his blk and rbd numbers go up and he sets decent screens. Saved us a lot of money on Lopez, too. Lopez is a marginal loss, imo. Curious as to why you'd say Plumlee is underachieving; in the time he is playing, he is serviceable. Don't get it.

Rondae Hollis-Jeferson doesn't look much better than Connaughton.

 

[illmatic99]

Ya what exactly is RHJ doing?

 

[ThugginPaulyGAllen]

Rolo did nothing against Memphis when it counted in the playoffs...I beg to differ..he disappeared after the allstar break last season but didn't miss a comicon or chance to harass a mascot

Ding, ding, ding.

Definitely wasn't a big defensive screen setter last year...

 

[Reep]

Ya what exactly is RHJ doing?

His last start he was 0/3 with 4 reb but +11 in 28 minutes. All defense, no O. I like Aminu and Harlkess better.

Let's see what Plumlee brings for the regular season and by the end of the year. He has some skills, but may get displaced if he isn't able to use them more.

 

[Pinwheel1]

It will be interesting to see LA's rebounding numbers this year. I was watching Rolo last week on NBA tv and on a routine outside shot with only he and a teammate under the rim, he never even gave a thought to going after the rebound. He found the opposing big , who was around the free throw line and just boxed him out so his teammate could get the board. Talk about not caring about stats.

Having said that he did frustrate me at times when his feet looked like they were stuck in quicksand while going after a a loose ball. Not the quickest of leapers.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Glad to have Lopez gone; I like what Plumlee brings. He isn't as awful as you make him sound. He is averaging 6&5 in 20 mins on 72% shooting. I'd like to see his blk and rbd numbers go up and he sets decent screens. Saved us a lot of money on Lopez, too. Lopez is a marginal loss, imo. Curious as to why you'd say Plumlee is underachieving; in the time he is playing, he is serviceable. Don't get it.

Not saying he's awful. Simply said he's underachieving. IMO, he is mostly invisible out there, and kinda seems lost. I expected a little more from him; apparently I'm alone in that.

And I'm not saying that RHJ is setting the world on fire at all. In fact, I agree with most of the sentiment regarding Harkless vis-a-vis RHJ. However, I see those as unrelated. I mean, if we hadn't made the deal, RHJ and Harkless would be our 3's, and Aminu could be starting at 4 alongside Leonard.

All I'm really saying is that if Plumlee doesn't end up working out (right now I see him as fourth in our stable of bigs), we will have traded RHJ for Pat and whatever we end up getting for Plumlee. Seems like we might have traded down. Time will tell, but it's not an unreasonable question to ask at this juncture.

 

[Natebishop3]

Not saying he's awful. Simply said he's underachieving. IMO, he is mostly invisible out there, and kinda seems lost. I expected a little more from him; apparently I'm alone in that.

And I'm not saying that RHJ is setting the world on fire at all. In fact, I agree with most of the sentiment regarding Harkless vis-a-vis RHJ. However, I see those as unrelated. I mean, if we hadn't made the deal, RHJ and Harkless would be our 3's, and Aminu could be starting at 4 alongside Leonard.

All I'm really saying is that if Plumlee doesn't end up working out (right now I see him as fourth in our stable of bigs), we will have traded RHJ for Pat and whatever we end up getting for Plumlee. Seems like we might have traded down. Time will tell, but it's not an unreasonable question to ask at this juncture.

I think Plumlee could be a nice trade chip though. I'm not sure, but I just get the feeling like he wasn't thrilled about coming here. He logged some nice time for the Nets last year. I think he can play. So if he underperforms, there might be another reason.

 

[riverman]

I'm ready to trade all the white guys for Paul George..they'll love Indiana

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'm ready to trade all the white guys for Paul George..they'll love Indiana

Sounds like a plan. Would take out half our bigs, but I guess we could go to a small-ball system. You think George would mind playing the 4?

 

[riverman]

In some way I wonder if Cliff Alexander kicked Plumlee's butt in practice early on

Sounds like a plan. Would take out half our bigs, but I guess we could go to a small-ball system. You think George would mind playing the 4?

Yeah...you'd have to keep Leonard and let Aminu go in that case

 

[PtldPlatypus]

In some way I wonder if Cliff Alexander kicked Plumlee's butt in practice early on

Yeah...you'd have to keep Leonard and let Aminu go in that case

Actually, I was kidding. Davis/Alexander would be our centers, and Vonleh/Aminu would be our PFs. I could handle that. On top of that, we could really go for broke and bring in Upshaw to be our third center.

 

[Draco]

He couldn't be more different than RoLo if he tried. Big defensive presence screen setter...... Vs a faster athletic floor runner. Depends on what you think this teams needs. Rolo was a PERFECT fit for our team the last two seasons.


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Yes very different. Rolo was great in the regular season, nice to have a big who could shoot free throws at the end of games, anchored the defense, got offensive rebounds and took the pounding from other centers LaMarsha didn't want. I suspect we'd win more next season with Rolo here instead of Plumlee. But he makes $13 million dollars more and is older.

The main problem with Rolo was when he got exposed in the playoffs the last two years. He's so slow footed he can't guard big men. Him guarding Dwight Howard was a joke. LaMarcus actually guarded Dwight really well but would only do it in the 4th. Rolo didn't fare any better last year against Marc. Meyers was far superior and I think Plumlee would've also been better in a Houston or Memphis series. Eventually we will want to switch from a rebuild to winning playoff games and I don't think Rolo will be able to do that. Not sure Plumlee will either but on a cheap rookie contract he doesn't necessarily have to.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yes very different. Rolo was great in the regular season, nice to have a big who could shoot free throws at the end of games, anchored the defense, got offensive rebounds and took the pounding from other centers LaMarsha didn't want. I suspect we'd win more next season with Rolo here instead of Plumlee. But he makes $13 million dollars more and is older.

The main problem with Rolo was when he got exposed in the playoffs the last two years. He's so slow footed he can't guard big men. Him guarding Dwight Howard was a joke. LaMarcus actually guarded Dwight really well but would only do it in the 4th. Rolo didn't fare any better last year against Marc. Meyers was far superior and I think Plumlee would've also been better in a Houston or Memphis series. Eventually we will want to switch from a rebuild to winning playoff games and I don't think Rolo will be able to do that. Not sure Plumlee will either but on a cheap rookie contract he doesn't necessarily have to.

Actually, I think Rolo played like crap after he came back from an injury mid-season. He was never the same.

 

[Draco]

I think Plumlee could be a nice trade chip though. I'm not sure, but I just get the feeling like he wasn't thrilled about coming here. He logged some nice time for the Nets last year. I think he can play. So if he underperforms, there might be another reason.

Sacramento was willing to absorb Deron Williams horrific contract last year if the Nets gave them Mason Plumlee. That was back when Mason was starting and averaging big numbers. It was the Nets who declined the deal!

I wonder if Neil remember that and thought it'd be good to have a potential DeMarcus trade chip the Kings were previously interested in.

 

[Natebishop3]

Sacramento was willing to absorb Deron Williams horrific contract last year if the Nets gave them Mason Plumlee. That was back when Mason was starting and averaging big numbers. It was the Nets who declined the deal!

I wonder if Neil remember that and thought it'd be good to have a potential DeMarcus trade chip the Kings were previously interested in.

Maybe. I've still got a feeling a trade will happen before the deadline.

 

[Pinwheel1]

This is Plumlee's 3rd in the league. I expect him to improve as the season goes along. At 25 he is not super young, but none-the -less he has only played two years in the NBA, so i think there is still hope he will get better.

 

[Draco]

Maybe. I've still got a feeling a trade will happen before the deadline.

Didn't you have a feeling something big was up Neil's sleeve in free agency? Think I remember some long threads on it.

I'm sure Neil will look to improve the roster or use any assets, cap space, he can. But I believe Neil is fine rolling the entire season with what we got.

 

[HailBlazers]

All I'm really saying is that if Plumlee doesn't end up working out (right now I see him as fourth in our stable of bigs), we will have traded RHJ for Pat and whatever we end up getting for Plumlee. Seems like we might have traded down. Time will tell, but it's not an unreasonable question to ask at this juncture.

IMO, serviceable bigs are always worth more.

 

[Natebishop3]

Didn't you have a feeling something big was up Neil's sleeve in free agency? Think I remember some long threads on it.

I'm sure Neil will look to improve the roster or use any assets, cap space, he can. But I believe Neil is fine rolling the entire season with what we got.

I feel like Neil has a plan. I thought the plan was to make more of a splash this summer, but now it seems like he's either building entirely towards next year OR he's going to use some of this youth and flexibility to add a piece before the deadline. I could see him making a trade for someone like DeRozan and then using cap space to sign a third star next summer. It seems to me DeRozan, Cousins, and maybe even Paul George might be had for the right price. It would probably have to include 3 of our young guys and maybe the pick. I think the goal is to have three really solid stars before the start of next season. That's just my guess anyway.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I feel like Neil has a plan. I thought the plan was to make more of a splash this summer, but now it seems like he's either building entirely towards next year OR he's going to use some of this youth and flexibility to add a piece before the deadline. I could see him making a trade for someone like DeRozan and then using cap space to sign a third star next summer. It seems to me DeRozan, Cousins, and maybe even Paul George might be had for the right price. It would probably have to include 3 of our young guys and maybe the pick. I think the goal is to have three really solid stars before the start of next season. That's just my guess anyway.

I agree and I think if we make the steps this season, it can all happen regardless of the "Portlands not a player destination" thought by most.

 

[Draco]

I feel like Neil has a plan. I thought the plan was to make more of a splash this summer, but now it seems like he's either building entirely towards next year OR he's going to use some of this youth and flexibility to add a piece before the deadline. I could see him making a trade for someone like DeRozan and then using cap space to sign a third star next summer. It seems to me DeRozan, Cousins, and maybe even Paul George might be had for the right price. It would probably have to include 3 of our young guys and maybe the pick. I think the goal is to have three really solid stars before the start of next season. That's just my guess anyway.

My take; I'm sure we'd be interested in George or Cousins. I disagree they are available. If we offered the whole team outside of Dame for either one we get turned down. Maybe during the season something changes with Cousins but the tricky part is Sacramento would want veterans back to win now since they don't have their picks.

DeRozan would be available but he'll get a $20 mil max contract next summer when we could just sign him outright. Having him here this season winning games hurts our draft pick. Sending young talent out for him would be the exact opposite of the Batum trade and doesn't fit with what else Neil has done.

I do think Neil wants to see the value of the young talent increase here. If CJ or Meyers blow up into a near allstar as Eric Gordon did on the Clippers then we could start building a trade package for a star. But then we'd already have a potential young star so why not just keep that one? Well such a scenario wouldn't happen until at least next summer anyways and likely after.

 

[Natebishop3]

My take; I'm sure we'd be interested in George or Cousins. I disagree they are available. If we offered the whole team outside of Dame for either one we get turned down. Maybe during the season something changes with Cousins but the tricky part is Sacramento would want veterans back to win now since they don't have their picks.

DeRozan would be available but he'll get a $20 mil max contract next summer when we could just sign him outright. Having him here this season winning games hurts our draft pick. Sending young talent out for him would be the exact opposite of the Batum trade and doesn't fit with what else Neil has done.

I do think Neil wants to see the value of the young talent increase here. If CJ or Meyers blow up into a near allstar as Eric Gordon did on the Clippers then we could start building a trade package for a star. But then we'd already have a potential young star so why not just keep that one? Well such a scenario wouldn't happen until at least next summer anyways and likely after.

You might be right. I honestly don't know. I think Neil might be completely content to ride out the year, get a lotto pick and use cap space. I could see him going either way.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You might be right. I honestly don't know. I think Neil might be completely content to ride out the year, get a lotto pick and use cap space. I could see him going either way.

Unless he breaks Dames leg in the lockerroom ( Knocking on my solid wood desk), then we aren't getting a lotto pick.

Just sayin.

 

[Natebishop3]

Unless he breaks Dames leg in the lockerroom ( Knocking on my solid wood desk), then we aren't getting a lotto pick.

Just sayin.

It's lotto or playoffs, and I highly doubt we're getting in the playoffs.

 

[Orion Bailey]

It's lotto or playoffs, and I highly doubt we're getting in the playoffs.

That doesn't make sense. how can it be either or without something in between? LOL. Honestly, I thin the 42 wins we will get will get us 9th -10th spot. Just out of the playoffs. Not good enough to be a Lotto, but I don't care., We don't need a lotto pick. We need guys to improve and then make the big trade at the deadline and then an offseason signing.

 

[barfo]

That doesn't make sense. how can it be either or without something in between? LOL. Honestly, I thin the 42 wins we will get will get us 9th -10th spot. Just out of the playoffs. Not good enough to be a Lotto, but I don't care., We don't need a lotto pick. We need guys to improve and then make the big trade at the deadline and then an offseason signing.

Unless they recently changed the rules, every team that doesn't make the playoffs is in the lottery (and every team that isn't in the lottery is in the playoffs).

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

Unless they recently changed the rules, every team that doesn't make the playoffs is in the lottery (and every team that isn't in the lottery is in the playoffs).

barfo

Hmm that doesn't seem fair if its true. I thought the bottom 8-10 teams go into the lotto and the rest are based on record? I could be totally wrong. I don't know much about it. If you are correct then I say 42 wins and LOTTO BABY!!!

 

[Natebishop3]

Hmm that doesn't seem fair if its true. I thought the bottom 8-10 teams go into the lotto and the rest are based on record? I could be totally wrong. I don't know much about it. If you are correct then I say 42 wins and LOTTO BABY!!!

Everyone who doesn't make the playoffs is in the lotto... but your chance of winning is almost zero.

 

[Draco]

Hmm that doesn't seem fair if its true. I thought the bottom 8-10 teams go into the lotto and the rest are based on record? I could be totally wrong. I don't know much about it. If you are correct then I say 42 wins and LOTTO BABY!!!

Welcome to 1985.

The NBA draft lottery is an annual event held since 1985 by the National Basketball Association (NBA), in which the teams who had missed the playoffs (top 14 picks) in the previous season, or teams who hold the draft rights of another team that missed the playoffs in the previous season, participate in a lottery process

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_draft_lottery

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Everyone who doesn't make the playoffs is in the lotto... but your chance of winning is almost zero.

You can't win if you don't play.......