Police murder another 13 year old

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jlprk said:
Just apply the civilian test. If a non-policeman saw a kid with a toy gun, would a court say he was justified in yelling a couple of warnings, then filling the kid with lead?

Why do courts treat police as the top of the class system, above the rules of civilized society?
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Because they are tasked with protecting citizens by upholding laws and ordinary citizens are not.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Technically, I don't think this was a toy gun. I think it was an airsoft gun (although it wasn't mentioned), and airsoft guns are for 18+.
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I own a lot of Airsoft guns. They are exact replicas of the real thing. Most people, like myself, will use paint thinner to wash off the bright orange paint that covers the end of the barrel. If he did that; then that gun would look like a real one.
 
magnifier661 said:
I own a lot of Airsoft guns. They are exact replicas of the real thing. Most people, like myself, will use paint thinner to wash off the bright orange paint that covers the end of the barrel. If he did that; then that gun would look like a real one.
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I was looking at the picture, and it definitely looks like an airsoft gun. Removable magazine, no orange tip, accurate dimensions.... It actually looks like it might be missing the flash hider.

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Natebishop3 said:
I was looking at the picture, and it definitely looks like an airsoft gun. Removable magazine, no orange tip, accurate dimensions.... It actually looks like it might be missing the flash hider.

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Oh yeah that's an Airsoft gun. I don't blame the cops for thinking its real. I actually have that same model.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
Because they are tasked with protecting citizens by upholding laws and ordinary citizens are not.
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Who tasked them to kill kids with toys? I must have missed the vote.

Now you guys are saying it looks real. The test of a police state is, would that excuse hold water in court for a civilian who plugged him with 7 bullets?
 
magnifier661 said:
Oh yeah that's an Airsoft gun. I don't blame the cops for thinking its real. I actually have that same model.
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The 13 year old kid shouldn't have even had it. The article said that it belonged to a friend, so that friend and his parents are liable for this child having access to the replicas.
 
I don't think I could be a police officer for a living. Just one bad day in the office and you may not be going home. I got to figure at some point in that situation it comes down to an officer really thinking he could die . . . and when you are in that frame of mind, I can imagine the mind is racing and the muscles are twitching.

If I am ever in that situation I tell the officers it not a real gun, I am going to drop it real slow walk away from gun and get on knees with my hands behind my head. I know police have protocols and increasing levels of force they are allowed to use in certain circumstances, I just hope they are cool enough under pressure to stick with their training instead of going purely on instinct . . . because instinct says I want to sleep in my bed tonight.
 
jlprk said:
Just apply the civilian test. If a non-policeman saw a kid with a toy gun, would a court say he was justified in yelling a couple of warnings, then filling the kid with lead?

Why do courts treat police as the top of the class system, above the rules of civilized society?
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It's pre-meditated murder no matter who did it. No threat was made, no attempt was made even to determine whether the child had a weapon or the more likely case he was playing with toys. But nobody but a cop would be that trigger-happy.
 
jlprk said:
Who tasked them to kill kids with toys? I must have missed the vote.

Now you guys are saying it looks real. The test of a police state is, would that excuse hold water in court for a civilian who plugged him with 7 bullets?
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So you are saying that picture doesn't look like a real gun?
 
magnifier661 said:
So you are saying that picture doesn't look like a real gun?
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Not even close, but it's not a relevant point. Could be a real gun or a stuffed giraffe. No crime or threat occured. There was no reason for police action of any kind. WHENEVER POLICE ARE INVOLVED, TRAGEDY FOLLOWS.
 
MARIS61 said:
Not even close, but it's not a relevant point. Could be a real gun or a stuffed giraffe. No crime or threat occured. There was no reason for police action of any kind. WHENEVER POLICE ARE INVOLVED, TRAGEDY FOLLOWS.
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Hey brother I hate the police! I'm just saying that looks like a real gun.
 
magnifier661 said:
Hey brother I hate the police! I'm just saying that looks like a real gun.
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I'll admit it would be hard to tell when held by someone but no threat is mentioned, no crime is mentioned, so why were the police there and why did they murder a child?
 
MARIS61 said:
I'll admit it would be hard to tell when held by someone but no threat is mentioned, no crime is mentioned, so why were the police there and why did they murder a child?
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Why are the police there? Someone called them.

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MARIS61 said:
I'll admit it would be hard to tell when held by someone but no threat is mentioned, no crime is mentioned, so why were the police there and why did they murder a child?
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That is interesting... I wonder if the kid was walking around trying to scare people and someone called the cops. Maybe the person on the phone was all frantic. Maybe the air soft gun was actually firing; which the AK sounds pretty real (excluding the loudness).
 
magnifier661 said:
That is interesting... I wonder if the kid was walking around trying to scare people and someone called the cops. Maybe the person on the phone was all frantic. Maybe the air soft gun was actually firing; which the AK sounds pretty real (excluding the loudness).
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Mags.... an airsoft gun does not sound real :lol:
 
Denny Crane said:
Squad car is no shield.

They proved it on myhtbusters once. Bullets go right through a car like butter. Not the engine block though.
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I did this on the FBI range--we shot up a few cars with different weapons and then looked at the results. An AK (7.62mm) can even penetrate the engine block most times. "Bullet-resistant" glass, in a word, isn't. Handguns (5.56mm) can go through both doors of even older, well-built cars. We were trained that our best bet for protection in a bad situation is to sit behind the front wheel--the wheel on both sides is made of pretty solid material and you'll get a bit of engine block protection from oblique angles, while still being able to shoot underneath the car if needed.

Shooting the gas tank never made the car explode. I tried, hard.
 
magnifier661 said:
This is why people here need to speak American!
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Yeah, Have to wonder why dad lets a kid that doesn't speak English run around with a gun (toy or not)??? You gota know no good is going to come with this.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I did this on the FBI range--we shot up a few cars with different weapons and then looked at the results. An AK (7.62mm) can even penetrate the engine block most times. "Bullet-resistant" glass, in a word, isn't. Handguns (5.56mm) can go through both doors of even older, well-built cars. We were trained that our best bet for protection in a bad situation is to sit behind the front wheel--the wheel on both sides is made of pretty solid material and you'll get a bit of engine block protection from oblique angles, while still being able to shoot underneath the car if needed.

Shooting the gas tank never made the car explode. I tried, hard.
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I pray to never be in that situation, but good info to know. Don't think it gets any more reliable than that.
 
MARIS61 said:
It's pre-meditated murder no matter who did it. No threat was made, no attempt was made even to determine whether the child had a weapon or the more likely case he was playing with toys. But nobody but a cop would be that trigger-happy.
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You are mentally distrubed.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I did this on the FBI range--we shot up a few cars with different weapons and then looked at the results. An AK (7.62mm) can even penetrate the engine block most times. "Bullet-resistant" glass, in a word, isn't. Handguns (5.56mm) can go through both doors of even older, well-built cars. We were trained that our best bet for protection in a bad situation is to sit behind the front wheel--the wheel on both sides is made of pretty solid material and you'll get a bit of engine block protection from oblique angles, while still being able to shoot underneath the car if needed.

Shooting the gas tank never made the car explode. I tried, hard.
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I bet TJ Hooker dodged bullets by hiding behind the open door of the squad car. More than once, even.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
You are mentally distrubed.
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Besides appearing crazy when you call him "distrubed," can you argue his specific points? Other than calling it premeditated (they needed to meditate more, not less), his post is true.
 
I'm not sure about this case, but in this case, the cop's ass should be in prison.

Watch the man standing there, doing nothing, 20+ feet away, then just shot down.

 
The police hopped out of their car, shouted 2 warnings, the kid turned to look at who was yelling, they killed him...10 seconds after jumping out of the squad car.

No more than 10 seconds elapsed from the time sheriff's deputies spotted a 13-year-old California boy carrying what they thought was an assault rifle and the moment they shot him dead...An advisory panel of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission urged Sonoma County to create civilian-review boards in 2000 following eight fatal officer-involved shootings in less than three years, but that recommendation went unheeded....The sheriff's department has refused to identify the deputies involved.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-usa-californiashooting-pix-20131024,0,6316943,full.story
 
I haven't scrolled through this whole thread yet so not sure if this follow up link has been posted yet?

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Santa-Rosa-Boy-Shot-7-Times-Autopsy-229183821.html

While I understand the concern about a replica rifle that looks like a real rifle, I do not see how the response in this situation, 7 shots, was needed. When there is a threat, you disable the threat, such as a shot to the leg, shoulder, or other non-lethal (hopefully) location. That does not mean destroy the threat. When it's a child that is seen as the threat, further action on the adult should be taken before using deadly force. In this example, a warning shot, or waiting until a shot is fired before turning to deadly force would have resulted in this news story not existing.
 
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