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They didn't have to do it.... Bullshit...

This is just another murder...
 
Here’s video of a really close childhood friend of mine being shot and killed by Portland State cops last night. It was his brothers gun. His brother had a concealed weapons permit, and liked to fight. His brother had got very drunk. So my friend Jason took the gun from him as the fight broke out. It fell to the ground during, and then this happened. My friend is in the tan shorts.


I don’t like guns.

https://www.koin.com/news/crime/police-person-dies-in-shooting-involving-psu-officer/1273208198

Sorry to hear about your friend and the loss to his family. RIP

With that said, alcohol and fights do not mix well. I've been to bars and taverns. I understand it can get rowdy, but I always remind myself I'm going there for a good time.

If somebody is getting out of control then let the employees, manager, owner know about the situation so they can ask the aggressor to leave. I try to avoid fights like this at all cost. I've been in a similar situation where a guy pulled a knife on me when he knew he wasn't going to win the fight. It can get out of control very quickly especially when alcohol is involved.
 
You don't need a gun to do that.
this has nothing at all to do with my post....I'm fed up with gun violence in my country. Knife violence hasn't been such an issue in my experience but hey...all kinds of violence is out there....cops don't usually knife people either
 
You don't need a gun to do that. Hell, the last few that come to memory involved a knife. Remember the guy who got shot in the homeless shelter?

This is such a tired argument. Do yourself a favor. Look up the stats then post.
 
Everytown is committed to using the most comprehensive, up-to-date sources of data to measure America’s unprecedented levels of gun violence. Learn more by exploring the stats below.

Here's some states for the last year in the US and comparisons
Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) show that on an average day, 96 Americans are killed with guns.

To calculate this, Everytown relies on a five-year-average of data from the CDC, whose National Vital Statistics System contains the most comprehensive national data, currently available through 2016.1

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Homicide2 Suicide Unintentional Undetermined
Intent
All gun
deaths

2012 12,093 20,666 548 256 33,563
2013 11,675 21,175 505 281 33,636
2014 11,472 21,386 461 275 33,594
2015 13,463 22,018 489 282 36,252
2016 14,925 22,938 495 300 38,658
Annual Average 12,726 21,637 500 279 35,141
Daily Average 35 59 1.4 0.8 96

On average there are nearly 13,000 gun homicides a year in the U.S.

View annual gun homicides in the US
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Homicide Suicide Unintentional Undetermined
Intent
All gun
deaths

2012 12,093 20,666 548 256 33,563
2013 11,675 21,175 505 281 33,636
2014 11,472 21,386 461 275 33,594
2015 13,463 22,018 489 282 36,252
2016 14,925 22,938 495 300 38,658
Annual Average 12,726 21,637 500 279 35,141
Daily Average 35 59 1.4 0.8 96

For every one person killed with guns, two more are injured.

The number of Americans injured with firearms dwarfs the number who are killed, although data to measure non-fatal shootings are less reliable. The CDC’s National Electronic Injury Surveillance System estimates the number of annual non-fatal firearm injuries based on reports from a sample of hospital emergency departments: over the last five years, there were more than 200 non-fatal firearm injuries each day.3
View data on non-fatal firearm injuries
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Year Non-Fatal
Firearm Injuries

2011 73,883
2012 81,396
2013 84,258
2014 81,034
2015 84,997
Annual Average 81,114
Daily Average
222

Nearly two-thirds (62 percent) of firearm deaths in the U.S. are suicides.

Of the 175,703 firearm deaths in the US from 2012 to 2016 (the most recent five years of data available), 108,183 (or 62 percent) were suicides. To calculate this total, Everytown relies on CDC data regarding fatal injury by intent.4
View more information about firearm fatalities by intent in the US[/paste:font]
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Seven children and teens (age 19 or under) are killed with guns in the U.S. on an average day.

Rates of firearm injury death increase rapidly after age 12. And unintentional shootings of children and teens are underreported in the CDC data, possibly because of the difficulty of characterizing a child’s intent after he or she has killed himself or a playmate with a firearm. Everytown tracks unintentional shootings involving children, which occur every 34 hours, on average. 5

View CDC data on children and teens killed with guns[/paste:font]
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Firearm
Homicides
Total
Firearm
Deaths

2012 1,700 2,694
2013 1,430 2,465
2014 1,488 2,548
2015 1,670 2,824
2016 1,876 3,155
Total 8,164 13,686


In an average month, 50 women are shot to death by intimate partners in the U.S.

And more than half of all women killed by intimate partners in the U.S. are killed with guns.6
View data on gun homicides of women by a current or former intimate partner
[/paste:font]
Year FBI Supplementary
Homicide Reports
Florida Department of
Law Enforcement
Total
2010 611 48 659
2011 553 61 614
2012 529 57 586
2013 518 41 559
2014 541 37 578
Total 2,752 244 2,996
Annual Average
550 49 599
Monthly Average
46 4 50

America’s gun homicide rate is more than 25 times the average of other high-income countries.

An analysis of gun homicide rates in developed countries— those considered “high-income” by the World Bank — found that the United States accounted for 46 percent of the population but 82 percent of the gun deaths.7
View more on how the US gun homicide rate compares with that of other developed countries[/paste:font]
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Background checks are a central component of America's efforts to keep guns from criminals: since their inception, they have blocked over 3 million gun sales to prohibited purchasers.

According to a study by the Department of Justice, between 1994 and 2014, federal, state, and local agencies conducted background checks on more than 180 million firearm applications and denied 2.82 million gun sales to prohibited purchasers. To date, the background check system has blocked over 3 million firearm sales to prohibited purchasers.8

Black men are 13 times more likely than non-hispanic white men to be shot and killed with guns.

Black Americans make up 14 percent of the U.S. population9 but are victims of more than half of all gun homicides.10
View more on gun homicides and race in America[/paste:font]
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Note: This figure has been calculated using 2012-2016 data and shows age-adjusted gun homicide rates for non-Hispanic white and non-Hispanic black men.


When a gun is present in a situation of domestic violence, it increases the risk the woman will be killed fivefold.

A case-control study of 11 cities found that in a domestic violence situation, the perpetrator’s access to a gun increased the odds of femicide by more than five times (adjust OR=5.44, 95% CI = 2.89, 10.22).11


Note on Data Sources

Both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the FBI collect data on firearm homicides — the former from medical examiners and the latter from local law enforcement. Each data set has distinct advantages and flaws. The CDC’s National Vital Statistics System records a higher percentage of all firearm deaths but fails to capture details about their circumstances, including the relationship of the perpetrator to the victim. This makes it unsuitable for measuring gun violence between people of certain relationships.

In contrast, the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports (SHR) include details on the perpetrator and weapon but are more likely to be missing records because the FBI relies on police departments to voluntarily submit their homicide data on an annual basis. Despite these gaps, SHR data are utilized widely in the criminology community. The SHR do not include data from the state of Florida. Everytown obtained data directly from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Women killed by former dating partners (as opposed to current dating partners) are not categorized in the Florida data and are not included.12


Notes
  1. "Fatal Injury Reports," Injury Prevention & Control: Data & Statistics (WISQARS), accessed December 23, 2017 ']http://1.usa.gov/1plXBux']
  2. Homicides include: assault by handgun discharge, assault by rifle, shotgun and larger firearm discharge, assault by other unspecified firearm discharge, terrorism involving firearms, and legal intervention involving firearm discharge.
  3. "Non-Fatal Injury Reports," Injury Prevention & Control: Data & Statistics (WISQARS), accessed December 23, 2017 http://1.usa.gov/1qo12RL.
  4. "Fatal Injury Reports," Injury Prevention & Control: Data & Statistics (WISQARS), accessed December 23, 2017 http://1.usa.gov/1qo12RL.
  5. "Fatal Injury Reports," Injury Prevention & Control: Data & Statistics (WISQARS), accessed December 23, 2017 ']http://1.usa.gov/1plXBux']
  6. Federal Bureau of Investigation, Supplementary Homicide Reports, 2010-14, available at http://bit.ly/1yVxm4K. Over the last five years of available data, 55% of women killed by intimate partners (including same-sex partners) were killed with guns.
  7. Erin Grinshteyn and David Hemenway, "Violent Death Rates: The US Compared with Other High-income OECD Countries, 2010," American Journal of Medicine, 2015. The World Bank defines a high-income country as one with a gross national income per capita greater than $12,736. The study analyzed data from populous (>1 million inhabitants), high-income countries that were members of the Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development (OECD) in 2010. Additionally, the study excluded Iceland and Luxembourg from the broader OECD for having very small populations, and also excluded Greece and Switzerland for not using detailed ICD-10 codes.
  8. Karberg JC, Frandsen RJ, Durso JM, et al. "Background Checks for Firearm Transfers, 2013-2014." Bureau of Justice Statistics. http://bit.ly/2lSEIEu. Published June 2016. Accessed February 15, 2017. Data for 2015 and 2016 were obtained by Everytown from the FBI directly. Though majority of the transactions and denials reported by FBI and BJS are associated with a firearm sale or transfer, a small number may be for concealed carry permits and other reasons not related to a sale or transfer.
  9. U.S. Census Bureau. 2010. http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-06.pdf
  10. “Fatal Injury Reports," Injury Prevention & Control: Data & Statistics (WISQARS), accessed December 23, 2017, http://1.usa.gov/1plXBux.
  11. Jacqueline C. Campbell, Daniel Webster, and Jane Koziol-McLain, "Risk Factors for Femicide in Abusive Relationships: Results from a Multisite Case Control Study," American Journal of Public Health 93, no. 7 (June 2003): http://1.usa.gov/1osjCet.
  12. James Alan Fox, “Missing Data Problems in the SHR: Imputing Offender and Relationship Characteristics,” Homicide Studies 8, no. 214 (2004); and Catherine Barber and David Hemenway, “Underestimates of Unintentional Firearm Fatalities: Comparing Supplementary Homicide Report Data with the National Vital Statistics System,” Injury Prevention 8 (2002).
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Sorry to hear about your friend and the loss to his family. RIP

With that said, alcohol and fights do not mix well. I've been to bars and taverns. I understand it can get rowdy, but I always remind myself I'm going there for a good time.

If somebody is getting out of control then let the employees, manager, owner know about the situation so they can ask the aggressor to leave. I try to avoid fights like this at all cost. I've been in a similar situation where a guy pulled a knife on me when he knew he wasn't going to win the fight. It can get out of control very quickly especially when alcohol is involved.
Hobbes and I have tipped a beer or two in a tavern. You are exactly the kind of guy who a person such as myself would really enjoy having a mixed drink or beer with. Here's a cheers to you, Hobbes.
 
Sorry for your loss @HCP

I went to PSU. I have been to the cheerful tortoise many times. Damn
 
Sorry for your loss @HCP

I went to PSU. I have been to the cheerful tortoise many times. Damn
Is that where it happened? I first went there in 1969. A very popular place for the local PSU students.

I too, have a PSU degree. Still consider myself a Beaver because that's where I got my first degree. So, I guess I'm a Beaver and a Viking.

Also have a diploma from PCC. I have no idea what they call themselves for short. Look, I even refer to them as 'they'.
 
I've never been to the Cheerful Tortoise, but...

I like turtles.

barfo
 
Is that where it happened? I first went there in 1969. A very popular place for the local PSU students.

I too, have a PSU degree. Still consider myself a Beaver because that's where I got my first degree. So, I guess I'm a Beaver and a Viking.

Also have a diploma from PCC. I have no idea what they call themselves for short. Look, I even refer to them as 'they'.

According to Wikipedia, PCC's mascot is Poppie the Panther

barfo
 
They didn't have to do it.... Bullshit...

This is just another murder...

The only objective witness says he was warned 3-4 times not to reach for the gun but still went for it.

I wasn’t there and neither were you.

Had he been Caucasian we all know you’d be blaming him and claiming he was a Trump supporter.
 
Barfo doesn’t live so much as cower in fearful obedience.

Says the guy who thinks Road Warrior is a documentary about Portland...

barfo
 
This is such a tired argument. Do yourself a favor. Look up the stats then post.

Stats about what? People committing suicide by cop with a knife?

I was talking about his comment about committing suicide by cop.
 
Says the guy who thinks Road Warrior is a documentary about Portland...

barfo

No, says the Oregonian article this thread is about, but then you probably didn't read it.

"It's just a really unfortunate situation," said Donald Dietz, 25, an employee at the Cheerful Tortoise who witnessed the shooting. He had asked a co-worker to call the police when he saw a conflict inside the bar escalate and move outside.

He was only a few feet away when the man was shot.


"The unfortunate situation is he was trying to help and break things up," Dietz said of the man who was shot.


Dietz recalled the man reaching for his gun after police told him three or four times not to.


"They warned him multiple times not to reach for it, but he did," Dietz said. "I don't want the message out there that the cops were trigger-happy."

Dietz said employees at the Cheerful Tortoise did everything they could to stop the situation from escalating like it did.

"It's just that people got drunk and stubborn," he added.

"They had to do it," he said of the officers involved. "People think they were overzealous, but they had to do it."
 
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Everytown is committed to using the most comprehensive, up-to-date sources of data to measure America’s unprecedented levels of gun violence. Learn more by exploring the stats below.

Here's some states for the last year in the US and comparisons
Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) show that on an average day, 96 Americans are killed with guns.

To calculate this, Everytown relies on a five-year-average of data from the CDC, whose National Vital Statistics System contains the most comprehensive national data, currently available through 2016.1

View CDC data on people killed by guns each year[/paste:font]
.styled-table table, .styled-table th, .styled-table td, .styled-table tbody, .styled-table thead {border-color:#fff; border-width:3px}
Homicide2 Suicide Unintentional Undetermined
Intent
All gun
deaths

2012 12,093 20,666 548 256 33,563
2013 11,675 21,175 505 281 33,636
2014 11,472 21,386 461 275 33,594
2015 13,463 22,018 489 282 36,252
2016 14,925 22,938 495 300 38,658
Annual Average 12,726 21,637 500 279 35,141
Daily Average 35 59 1.4 0.8 96

On average there are nearly 13,000 gun homicides a year in the U.S.

View annual gun homicides in the US
[/paste:font]
.styled-table table, .styled-table th, .styled-table td, .styled-table tbody, .styled-table thead {border-color:#fff; border-width:3px}
Homicide Suicide Unintentional Undetermined
Intent
All gun
deaths

2012 12,093 20,666 548 256 33,563
2013 11,675 21,175 505 281 33,636
2014 11,472 21,386 461 275 33,594
2015 13,463 22,018 489 282 36,252
2016 14,925 22,938 495 300 38,658
Annual Average 12,726 21,637 500 279 35,141
Daily Average 35 59 1.4 0.8 96

For every one person killed with guns, two more are injured.

The number of Americans injured with firearms dwarfs the number who are killed, although data to measure non-fatal shootings are less reliable. The CDC’s National Electronic Injury Surveillance System estimates the number of annual non-fatal firearm injuries based on reports from a sample of hospital emergency departments: over the last five years, there were more than 200 non-fatal firearm injuries each day.3
View data on non-fatal firearm injuries
[/paste:font]
.styled-table table, .styled-table th, .styled-table td {padding:.75em 8px;}, .styled-table tbody, .styled-table thead {border-color:#fff; border-width:3px}
Year Non-Fatal
Firearm Injuries

2011 73,883
2012 81,396
2013 84,258
2014 81,034
2015 84,997
Annual Average 81,114
Daily Average
222

Nearly two-thirds (62 percent) of firearm deaths in the U.S. are suicides.

Of the 175,703 firearm deaths in the US from 2012 to 2016 (the most recent five years of data available), 108,183 (or 62 percent) were suicides. To calculate this total, Everytown relies on CDC data regarding fatal injury by intent.4
View more information about firearm fatalities by intent in the US[/paste:font]
gvbtn-website-CHARTS-011118-02.png



Seven children and teens (age 19 or under) are killed with guns in the U.S. on an average day.

Rates of firearm injury death increase rapidly after age 12. And unintentional shootings of children and teens are underreported in the CDC data, possibly because of the difficulty of characterizing a child’s intent after he or she has killed himself or a playmate with a firearm. Everytown tracks unintentional shootings involving children, which occur every 34 hours, on average. 5

View CDC data on children and teens killed with guns[/paste:font]
.styled-table table, .styled-table th, .styled-table td, .styled-table tbody, .styled-table thead {border-color:#fff; border-width:3px}
Firearm
Homicides
Total
Firearm
Deaths

2012 1,700 2,694
2013 1,430 2,465
2014 1,488 2,548
2015 1,670 2,824
2016 1,876 3,155
Total 8,164 13,686


In an average month, 50 women are shot to death by intimate partners in the U.S.

And more than half of all women killed by intimate partners in the U.S. are killed with guns.6
View data on gun homicides of women by a current or former intimate partner
[/paste:font]
Year FBI Supplementary
Homicide Reports
Florida Department of
Law Enforcement
Total
2010 611 48 659
2011 553 61 614
2012 529 57 586
2013 518 41 559
2014 541 37 578
Total 2,752 244 2,996
Annual Average
550 49 599
Monthly Average
46 4 50

America’s gun homicide rate is more than 25 times the average of other high-income countries.

An analysis of gun homicide rates in developed countries— those considered “high-income” by the World Bank — found that the United States accounted for 46 percent of the population but 82 percent of the gun deaths.7
View more on how the US gun homicide rate compares with that of other developed countries[/paste:font]
gvbtn-website-CHARTS-011118-03.png



Background checks are a central component of America's efforts to keep guns from criminals: since their inception, they have blocked over 3 million gun sales to prohibited purchasers.

According to a study by the Department of Justice, between 1994 and 2014, federal, state, and local agencies conducted background checks on more than 180 million firearm applications and denied 2.82 million gun sales to prohibited purchasers. To date, the background check system has blocked over 3 million firearm sales to prohibited purchasers.8

Black men are 13 times more likely than non-hispanic white men to be shot and killed with guns.

Black Americans make up 14 percent of the U.S. population9 but are victims of more than half of all gun homicides.10
View more on gun homicides and race in America[/paste:font]
gvbtn-website-CHARTS-012918-01.png


Note: This figure has been calculated using 2012-2016 data and shows age-adjusted gun homicide rates for non-Hispanic white and non-Hispanic black men.


When a gun is present in a situation of domestic violence, it increases the risk the woman will be killed fivefold.

A case-control study of 11 cities found that in a domestic violence situation, the perpetrator’s access to a gun increased the odds of femicide by more than five times (adjust OR=5.44, 95% CI = 2.89, 10.22).11


Note on Data Sources

Both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the FBI collect data on firearm homicides — the former from medical examiners and the latter from local law enforcement. Each data set has distinct advantages and flaws. The CDC’s National Vital Statistics System records a higher percentage of all firearm deaths but fails to capture details about their circumstances, including the relationship of the perpetrator to the victim. This makes it unsuitable for measuring gun violence between people of certain relationships.

In contrast, the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports (SHR) include details on the perpetrator and weapon but are more likely to be missing records because the FBI relies on police departments to voluntarily submit their homicide data on an annual basis. Despite these gaps, SHR data are utilized widely in the criminology community. The SHR do not include data from the state of Florida. Everytown obtained data directly from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Women killed by former dating partners (as opposed to current dating partners) are not categorized in the Florida data and are not included.12


Notes
  1. "Fatal Injury Reports," Injury Prevention & Control: Data & Statistics (WISQARS), accessed December 23, 2017 ']http://1.usa.gov/1plXBux']
  2. Homicides include: assault by handgun discharge, assault by rifle, shotgun and larger firearm discharge, assault by other unspecified firearm discharge, terrorism involving firearms, and legal intervention involving firearm discharge.
  3. "Non-Fatal Injury Reports," Injury Prevention & Control: Data & Statistics (WISQARS), accessed December 23, 2017 http://1.usa.gov/1qo12RL.
  4. "Fatal Injury Reports," Injury Prevention & Control: Data & Statistics (WISQARS), accessed December 23, 2017 http://1.usa.gov/1qo12RL.
  5. "Fatal Injury Reports," Injury Prevention & Control: Data & Statistics (WISQARS), accessed December 23, 2017 ']http://1.usa.gov/1plXBux']
  6. Federal Bureau of Investigation, Supplementary Homicide Reports, 2010-14, available at http://bit.ly/1yVxm4K. Over the last five years of available data, 55% of women killed by intimate partners (including same-sex partners) were killed with guns.
  7. Erin Grinshteyn and David Hemenway, "Violent Death Rates: The US Compared with Other High-income OECD Countries, 2010," American Journal of Medicine, 2015. The World Bank defines a high-income country as one with a gross national income per capita greater than $12,736. The study analyzed data from populous (>1 million inhabitants), high-income countries that were members of the Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development (OECD) in 2010. Additionally, the study excluded Iceland and Luxembourg from the broader OECD for having very small populations, and also excluded Greece and Switzerland for not using detailed ICD-10 codes.
  8. Karberg JC, Frandsen RJ, Durso JM, et al. "Background Checks for Firearm Transfers, 2013-2014." Bureau of Justice Statistics. http://bit.ly/2lSEIEu. Published June 2016. Accessed February 15, 2017. Data for 2015 and 2016 were obtained by Everytown from the FBI directly. Though majority of the transactions and denials reported by FBI and BJS are associated with a firearm sale or transfer, a small number may be for concealed carry permits and other reasons not related to a sale or transfer.
  9. U.S. Census Bureau. 2010. http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-06.pdf
  10. “Fatal Injury Reports," Injury Prevention & Control: Data & Statistics (WISQARS), accessed December 23, 2017, http://1.usa.gov/1plXBux.
  11. Jacqueline C. Campbell, Daniel Webster, and Jane Koziol-McLain, "Risk Factors for Femicide in Abusive Relationships: Results from a Multisite Case Control Study," American Journal of Public Health 93, no. 7 (June 2003): http://1.usa.gov/1osjCet.
  12. James Alan Fox, “Missing Data Problems in the SHR: Imputing Offender and Relationship Characteristics,” Homicide Studies 8, no. 214 (2004); and Catherine Barber and David Hemenway, “Underestimates of Unintentional Firearm Fatalities: Comparing Supplementary Homicide Report Data with the National Vital Statistics System,” Injury Prevention 8 (2002).
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Nearly every single "stat" and claim in your post has been exposed as utter nonsense and fiction. If you'd widen your news sources to include something other than The View, you'd already know that.

But thanks for playing.
 
@HCP sorry brother. Sorry for losing your childhood friend. Sorry that lovely girl had to lose her father. Sorry our society is so fucked up we have people who are so in love with guns they are willing to let people die so they can get whatever firearm they want in secrecy and abuse common sense legally. Sorry.
 
Barfo doesn’t live so much as cower in fearful obedience.

Says the guy who thinks Road Warrior is a documentary about Portland...

barfo

No, says the Oregonian article this thread is about, but then you probably didn't read it.

Really? The Oregonian article says I cower in fearful obedience? Let's see...

"It's just a really unfortunate situation," said Donald Dietz, 25, an employee at the Cheerful Tortoise who witnessed the shooting. He had asked a co-worker to call the police when he saw a conflict inside the bar escalate and move outside.

He was only a few feet away when the man was shot.


"The unfortunate situation is he was trying to help and break things up," Dietz said of the man who was shot.


Dietz recalled the man reaching for his gun after police told him three or four times not to.


"They warned him multiple times not to reach for it, but he did," Dietz said. "I don't want the message out there that the cops were trigger-happy."

Dietz said employees at the Cheerful Tortoise did everything they could to stop the situation from escalating like it did.

"It's just that people got drunk and stubborn," he added.

"They had to do it," he said of the officers involved. "People think they were overzealous, but they had to do it."

Nope, they don't seem to have mentioned me at all.

Weird, that.

barfo
 

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