Police tase and arrest a black man picking his kids up from preschool

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EL PRESIDENTE said:
He was clearly resisting arrest when the cop told him to "put his hands behind his back". You just can't ignore what the cop says when they are in the processes of detaining you.
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If popular opinion was on the side of the cop, you'd very likely be saying otherwise.
 
julius said:
I believe they have to state why they're detaining you. You know, 4th amendment and all.
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Miranda rights are usually given when one is cuffed. He was actively resisting arrest.
 
Lollie said that he didn’t want to post the video until the charges were dropped. “It hurts, it really does,” he said. “Because no matter what — I could be the nicest guy in the world, talk with respect, I can be working, taking care of my kids, doing everything the model citizen is supposed to do — and I still get that type of treatment.”

I know many are anti-police, but Lollie was anything but a "model citizen." He could have just stopped for a couple of seconds, given his name, explained what he was doing at the bank and moved on.

Instead he continues to walk, doesn't cooperate with the police and decides he is going to assert what he thinks are his constitutional rights. He may well have been within his rights (depends on Minny law) but he was anything but a model citizen in this situation.
 
hoojacks said:
I'm not actually sure about this, but aren't you only under arrest if a cop says "you are under arrest"?
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"Put your hands behind your back" is the start of detention. I guess you can cover your ears and say "I can't hear you" and never be arrested
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
"Put your hands behind your back" is the start of detention. I guess you can cover your ears and say "I can't hear you" and never be arrested
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The only mistake he made was when the cop said that he was going to be arrested, he at that point had the right to say nothing until he had a lawyer present. I can understand his disbelief of how he was being treated, and the natural inclination to attempt to talk his way out of a chicken shit situation. Those cops were flat out harassing him based upon his lack of fear of their authority, and his misguided faith in his constitutional rights.
 
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DaLincolnJones said:
The only mistake he made was when the cop said that he was going to be arrested, he at that point had the right to say nothing until he had a lawyer present. I can understand his disbelief of how he was being treated, and the natural inclination to attempt to talk his way out of a chicken shit situation. Those cops were flat out harassing him based upon his lack of fear of their authority, and his misguided faith in his constitutional rights.
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He was being kind of a dick to them the entire conversation
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
He was being kind of a dick to them the entire conversation
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I roust you for no reason, tell me how you respond? I listened..yeah, he relied on his "rights" too much, but in no way did he deserve to be fucked with in the first place. He told them up front that he was waiting for his children. If the cops doubted him, they could have given him the time to meet the children, before they start in with all the aggressive bull shit.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
I roust you for no reason, tell me how you respond? I listened..yeah, he relied on his "rights" too much, but in no way did he deserve to be fucked with in the first place. He told them up front that he was waiting for his children. If the cops doubted him, they could have given him the time to meet the children, before they start in with all the aggressive bull shit.
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Police responded to call of a man sitting in an employee only area at a bank and refusing to leave. The officer was trying to figure out the situation trying to get both sides of the situation. This guy doesn't even have the decency to stop and talk to the officer but instead cuts her off all the time and lectures her while playing the race card.

The problem isn't that he is black, the problem is he is a jerk.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
It doesn't help.
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I do agree, but no reason to hook you up.

I am pro police, but more pro constitution. I do not talk to cops, They are not your budies when they question you, they are looking for a way to arrest you. I do not let them in my house. I do not let them search my car. I have friends that were cops, they were the guys that opened my eyes as to what their motivations were.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
I roust you for no reason, tell me how you respond? I listened..yeah, he relied on his "rights" too much, but in no way did he deserve to be fucked with in the first place. He told them up front that he was waiting for his children. If the cops doubted him, they could have given him the time to meet the children, before they start in with all the aggressive bull shit.
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He was being as aggressive to them. Not surprised it escalated.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Police responded to call of a man sitting in an employee only area at a bank and refusing to leave. The officer was trying to figure out the situation trying to get both sides of the situation. This guy doesn't even have the decency to stop and talk to the officer but instead cuts her off all the time and lectures her while playing the race card.

The problem isn't that he is black, the problem is he is a jerk.
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so? The area was mot marked as private, or in any way did it denote it was anything but public. Bank dude has an issue with a "black guy hanging around while doing nothing? For fucks sake he must really have a problem with the president..call the cops...
 
DaLincolnJones said:
so? The area was mot marked as private, or in any way did it denote it was anything but public. Bank dude has an issue with a "black guy hanging around while doing nothing? For fucks sake he must really have a problem with the president..call the cops...
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So cops get a call of a man refusing to leave a employee only area and are suppose to do nothing. She is just asking questions. Is it too much for this guy to stop and talk to this officer like a decent person?
 
El Presidente is an adorable statist. He believes that state law enforcement should be allowed to harass anyone they like and anything short of subservience is asking to be arrested.

We used to have a poster named Xericx who was all "Fuck the man!" and "The state needs to get out of our way!" Xericx felt that overbearing state power was the road to serfdom. He would have hated El Presidente. ;)
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
So cops get a call of a man refusing to leave a employee only area and are suppose to do nothing. She is just asking questions. Is it too much for this guy to stop and talk to this officer like a decent person?
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sure, man, I get your POV, I dont think I would have responded so strongly, or maybe I would. If there is no sign saying that it was a private area, and I had done nothing to warrant being harassed, I would have also demanded to know what they were jacking my up for. The second cop was all about being a fuck head. Period. I think you guys all know I dont think the race card should be a part of the conversation in most cases. I this case I think race was the issue. I dont think that the treat a white, or Asian cat in a business suite the same way.
 
I agree the second officer was way too aggressive. He tried to get the guy to stop and talk but as soon as he reached out for the guy and he told him to keep his hands off him, I knew things were going to go down.

But I don't think the first officer was harassing. She doesn't know if there is a sign, if where he was was clearly not a place for the public or anything. That is why she is asking questions.

My guess is a white or Asian cat in a business suit stops, answers the cops questions and treats her with respect. They wear that business suit for a reason.
 
Let me say this: if people want to live by the creed of not being cooperative with the police and exercising their constitutional rights, there is nothing wrong with that. That is a choice they get to make in this country. But for people who decide to live that way, why not do it in a civil manner. It's your constitutional right to tell an officer to fuck off if stopped . . . but why not just stop, answer whatever questions you think appropriate or just say "officer I'm not going to answer any questions, if you have reasons to arrest me then arrest me, if not I'm going to go on my way." Why turn your constitutional rights life into being a jerk to law enforcement. You may one day be calling them to help you with a situation.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
I agree the second officer was way too aggressive. He tried to get the guy to stop and talk but as soon as he reached out for the guy and he told him to keep his hands off him, I knew things were going to go down.

But I don't think the first officer was harassing. She doesn't know if there is a sign, if where he was was clearly not a place for the public or anything. That is why she is asking questions.

My guess is a white or Asian cat in a business suit stops, answers the cops questions and treats her with respect. They wear that business suit for a reason.
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yeah, I suppose. I have been the guy in a suite, I have also been the guy with a ponytail and a scoot. I dont like being tailed for fifteen miles, or fucked with because of the way I look, and I have the ability to change my look at will. A black guy cant just cut his hair and receive respect from the cops.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
I agree the second officer was way too aggressive. He tried to get the guy to stop and talk but as soon as he reached out for the guy and he told him to keep his hands off him, I knew things were going to go down.

But I don't think the first officer was harassing. She doesn't know if there is a sign, if where he was was clearly not a place for the public or anything. That is why she is asking questions.

My guess is a white or Asian cat in a business suit stops, answers the cops questions and treats her with respect. They wear that business suit for a reason.
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My guess is if it was a white guy or an asian guy, under similar circumstances, it's doubtful anyone would've called the police in the first place, OR they would've just said "This is an area reserved for employees of the banks only, so you'll have to find another place to sit"
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Let me say this: if people want to live by the creed of not being cooperative with the police and exercising their constitutional rights, there is nothing wrong with that. That is a choice they get to make in this country. But for people who decide to live that way, why not do it in a civil manner. It's your constitutional right to tell an officer to fuck off if stopped . . . but why not just stop, answer whatever questions you think appropriate or just say "officer I'm not going to answer any questions, if you have reasons to arrest me then arrest me, if not I'm going to go on my way." Why turn your constitutional rights life into being a jerk to law enforcement. You may one day be calling them to help you with a situation.
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well said and repped

and I am making the assumption that A) he was a black guy in a predominately white area. B) His claim that he was there to pick up his children fell on deaf ears because if the statement was true, it would have been unusual based upon race C) His indifference to their authority and false scene of security in his civil rights is what really got him in trouble D) Had he acted the same in a black area, this would not have happened

What say you?
 
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