Police use of military equipment. Isn't that strictly a State issue?

[MarAzul]

Sharpton is right some of the time. This time, in fact.

You need to walk a mile in a black man from Ferguson's shoes. It might be an eye opener for you.

Actually my eye sight is quite keen. Maybe a walk in my shoes would be more beneficial.
In my family we don't tend to look down on a cop, surely none of my grandsons would go whup ass on one. We do have a few (Cops) in the family, one City cop, one Oregon State Police, and one FBI agent. Most of the cops in my town (all 4) seem to be fine young men.

So what the fuck do you think I am going to learn?

 

[Further]

Everywhere isn't Mayberry. And in some areas there is a much longer history of trouble between the police and the public they serve. Just take a look at being pulled over by cops if you are white vs black. A PhD I worked with who is black told me he, growing up in Baltimore I think, got pulled over more than 20 times by the time he graduated college and only got 2 tickets because he was just being pulled over for being in the wrong place, but then when the cops figured out he was an educated black, they would just make up some reason for pulling him over and call it a warning. You grow ip with cops always treating you like a scumbag, you might lose some respect for them.

 

[Denny Crane]

This is gruesome. Watch if you dare.

[video=youtube;j-P54MZVxMU]

Shot 12 times for shoplifting two energy drinks and a pack of donuts from a convenience store.

http://www.newsweek.com/new-video-police-shooting-2nd-man-st-louis-emerges-266041

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Donuts....duh, hit too close to home.

 

[Minstrel]

Wow! just Wow!!

I know, it's crazy. What's next, not selling surplus nuclear weapons to Iran? Surplus is surplus! That means we don't need it, so it doesn't matter who gets it, right?

 

[donkiez]

So Mar your general position is the 2nd ammendment is necessary to protect your self from the tyranny of government, however, you support arming out police like a military state? These concepts seem to contradict.....

 

[MarAzul]

I know, it's crazy. What's next, not selling surplus nuclear weapons to Iran? Surplus is surplus! That means we don't need it, so it doesn't matter who gets it, right?

States govern under their Constitution and cities set the rules for police and people elect the officials that do these jobs. Where in the US Constitution has the Federal government been authorized to interfere
or decided "what equipment is for civilians"? No is is not suppose to work that way. If Obama thinks so, he needs to be reminded he was elected President, not King.

 

[Minstrel]

Where in the US Constitution has the Federal government been authorized to interfere
or decided "what equipment is for civilians"?

Where in the Constitution is it stated that the federal government is required to give local police forces surplus military equipment?

The right of local police to buy/acquire federal military equipment is not a Constitutionally protected right, so it's entirely up to the federal government whether they provide it to local police forces.

 

[MarAzul]

So Mar your general position is the 2nd ammendment is necessary to protect your self from the tyranny of government, however, you support arming out police like a military state? These concepts seem to contradict.....

You do seem to have it muddled a bit. The 2nd amendment stands as it says, The right to bare arms shall not be infringed.

People of a State and the Cities in a State decide the law enforcement they want or need. The federal government should have no hand in the process except as happens with making surplus gear available.
Cops do need to be protected the best they can. They are not out there for the amusement of any bozo that might decide he wants to fuck with them. You can get your ass shot that way and
I have no sympathy for the dudes that try it. It seems to me that their daddy failed to give them the necessary education for survival, you know, cops are not there for you to fuck with, they pack a gun
and they will shoot you. The clip Denny showed is stupid, you hear the guys saying "you could have tazed him". Well hell the cops are not there to play fucking games of what's fair! The dumb shit was looking for trouble, waiting around for it to come. It came, he fucked with them and they shot his ass. What hell did he expect??

 

[MarAzul]

Where in the Constitution is it stated that the federal government is required to give local police forces surplus military equipment?

The right of local police to buy/acquire federal military equipment is not a Constitutionally protected right, so it's entirely up to the federal government whether they provide it to local police forces.

That is bull shit and you know it. Of course it is not in the constitution to give States surplus equipment and that is not the question. They have been making it available rather than junk it.
Now having a review to decide if States "should" be using it is interfering because it is not their call to decide what gear the police use and everyone needs understand the separation.
But there are those that would like to eliminate this separation for the one way rule, the Federal government rule. Which view do you have?

 

[Minstrel]

But there are those that would like to eliminate this separation for the one way rule, the Federal government rule. Which view do you have?

I have the view that it's fine for the federal government to have oversight over military equipment that they provide other organizations within the country.

 

[MarAzul]

I have the view that it's fine for the federal government to have oversight over military equipment that they provide other organizations within the country.

Spoken like a Federalist of old and Democrat of today. Find a way to ignore the 10th amendment at every opportunity.
I think my local Sheriff or Police Chief is very much more qualified to determine what they can use than anyone in the current Federal administration of any era.

 

[MarAzul]

The real review that need to be done is not. The local people don't appear to give a shit, except perhaps to bitch.

Government

The Mayor of Ferguson is directly elected for a three-year term.[27] Voter turnout in the most recent mayoral election was approximately 12%.[28]
The Ferguson city council is composed of six members.[28]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson,_Missouri

Obama's review of the surplus equipment provided is irrelevant to the problem in this community.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think my local Sheriff or Police Chief is very much more qualified to determine what they can use than anyone in the current Federal administration of any era.

So your position is that the police should be able to have any and all surplus military equipment they want without any federal or local oversight or review?

 

[magnifier661]

So your position is that the police should be able to have any and all surplus military equipment they want without any federal or local oversight or review?

Absolutely! What if there is a zombie apocalypse? We need to get to the military grade equipment quickly!!!!

 

[Minstrel]

I think my local Sheriff or Police Chief is very much more qualified to determine what they can use than anyone in the current Federal administration of any era.

I think your local sheriff or police chief is much less qualified to determine whether military vehicles and weapons are suitable for use in urban American environments than the military minds in the federal government.

 

[MarAzul]

So your position is that the police should be able to have any and all surplus military equipment they want without any federal or local oversight or review?

Yes the State are sovereign to that extent as long as they adhere to the US Constitution. No where did I say police should be without local oversight. The point is exactly the opposite, the oversight should be
local and State, not the Federal government.

 

[MarAzul]

I think your local sheriff or police chief is much less qualified to determine whether military vehicles and weapons are suitable for use in urban American environments than the military minds in the federal government.

Well I take it, that is your opinion. But we do elect Sheriff and the City Mayor and Council select the Police Chief, to do a job for us. We elected Obama to do a job too but not the one we elected the local Sheriff to do. He lacks any qualifications. Perhaps you have noticed?

 

[Minstrel]

But we do elect Sheriff and the City Mayor and Council select the Police Chief, to do a job for us.

I agree, but I don't think that job is to determine how to militarize our city. That's outside their purview, in my opinion.

 

[MarAzul]

I agree, but I don't think that job is to determine how to militarize our city. That's outside their purview, in my opinion.

How in the hell can you suggest how the people in any city other than your own run their business? The Constitution lays down the basis right we all have but beyond that the Federal government has no role nor should it.
The people elect the Mayor and the City council who hire the police including the Chief and the buy the equipment. What the hell else do you want???
Step back a notice that only 12% of the people in Ferguson seem to give a shit about this process! I sure as hell don't think OBama can come save their asses with a fucking review! Do you think that will work?
Is the Federal government going to now start paying and directing the Police??? Holy Cow, things will go to shit in rapid fashion.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

How in the hell can you suggest how the people in any city other than your own run their business? The Constitution lays down the basis right we all have but beyond that the Federal government has no role nor should it.
The people elect the Mayor and the City council who hire the police including the Chief and the buy the equipment. What the hell else do you want???
Step back a notice that only 12% of the people in Ferguson seem to give a shit about this process! I sure as hell don't think OBama can come save their asses with a fucking review! Do you think that will work?
Is the Federal government going to now start paying and directing the Police??? Holy Cow, things will go to shit in rapid fashion.

For the first time in 30 years, a patrol K-9 has joined the ranks of the Coos County Sheriff’s Office.
“Neeko,” a 2-year-old black German shepherd, began his duties Monday with human partner Deputy Adam Slater.
Slater, who has spent time with the Bandon Police Department and the Confederated Tribal Police in addition to the sheriff’s office, just returned with Neeko from basic canine training in Virginia.
Neeko’s purchase was enabled by the Bureau of Land Management, whose Coos County lands Slater is assigned to patrol.
“It’s kind of cool how this whole thing came to be,” he said.
The sheriff’s office first approached the federal agency about funding a K-9 program in 2012.
“I ended up testifying before the Resources Advisory Committee,” Slater said.
The committee approved the project, and BLM picked up the $22,000 bill for the dog, K-9 school and operational equipment.


http://theworldlink.com/news/local/...cle_f4ecad7c-5b95-11e3-82e9-001a4bcf887a.html

 

[Minstrel]

How in the hell can you suggest how the people in any city other than your own run their business?

I don't believe militarization is a city's business.

 

[magnifier661]

I don't believe militarization is a city's business.

That's very Unconstitutional

 

[barfo]

For the first time in 30 years, a patrol K-9 has joined the ranks of the Coos County Sheriff’s Office.
“Neeko,” a 2-year-old black German shepherd, began his duties Monday with human partner Deputy Adam Slater.
Slater, who has spent time with the Bandon Police Department and the Confederated Tribal Police in addition to the sheriff’s office, just returned with Neeko from basic canine training in Virginia.
Neeko’s purchase was enabled by the Bureau of Land Management, whose Coos County lands Slater is assigned to patrol.
“It’s kind of cool how this whole thing came to be,” he said.
The sheriff’s office first approached the federal agency about funding a K-9 program in 2012.
“I ended up testifying before the Resources Advisory Committee,” Slater said.
The committee approved the project, and BLM picked up the $22,000 bill for the dog, K-9 school and operational equipment.


http://theworldlink.com/news/local/...cle_f4ecad7c-5b95-11e3-82e9-001a4bcf887a.html

Yeah, but that's different. People on the south coast have a right to be funded by the federal (and state) government, because they don't like paying taxes. But what they do with our money should be totally up to them. They are rugged individualists down there, and don't need any federal nanny state.

barfo

 

[Minstrel]

That's very Unconstitutional

I always forget about the sovereign right of cities to arm themselves and maintain a standing army.

 

[barfo]

I always forget about the sovereign right of cities to arm themselves and maintain a standing army.

You'll remember it better after Cheyenne, Wyoming drops a nuclear device on Washington, DC.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

For the first time in 30 years, a patrol K-9 has joined the ranks of the Coos County Sheriff’s Office.
“Neeko,” a 2-year-old black German shepherd, began his duties Monday with human partner Deputy Adam Slater.
Slater, who has spent time with the Bandon Police Department and the Confederated Tribal Police in addition to the sheriff’s office, just returned with Neeko from basic canine training in Virginia.
Neeko’s purchase was enabled by the Bureau of Land Management, whose Coos County lands Slater is assigned to patrol.
“It’s kind of cool how this whole thing came to be,” he said.
The sheriff’s office first approached the federal agency about funding a K-9 program in 2012.
“I ended up testifying before the Resources Advisory Committee,” Slater said.
The committee approved the project, and BLM picked up the $22,000 bill for the dog, K-9 school and operational equipment.


http://theworldlink.com/news/local/...cle_f4ecad7c-5b95-11e3-82e9-001a4bcf887a.html

It all sound very cool doesn't it. Bandon has had a K9 unit for quite some time without the federal government paying the bill.
The COOS County Sheriffs department is a bit on the other side of the coin. They get a large part of their funding from the Feds, doing various federal funded projects.
The problem is they have little time to just be the local cops. They are often too busy to be on call for the a normal citizen.
However, they usually have the patrols out issuing seat belt violations, writing enough to keep their federal funding.

Do you see the connection? It's damn near sickening to watch the subversion, the tentacles attaching one by one. They are johnny spot on for that Fed money but the
neighborhood watch can't get a responder for burglary. The locally elected Sheriff sort of lacks the ability to be local instead of a puppet for the feds. Although he insists he will
when the issue is important.

 

[Minstrel]

You'll remember it better after Cheyenne, Wyoming drops a nuclear device on Washington, DC.

With a nuclear weapon purchased by federal earmarks designated for their state in Washington DC.

How deliciously ironic.

 

[MarAzul]

I always forget about the sovereign right of cities to arm themselves and maintain a standing army.

Do you own a business?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

How can Obama be allowing my tax dollars to be paying for k-9 :MARIS61:




The irony if a republican president cuts funding to agencies such as BLM so they in turn stop programs that send K-9 to local law enforcement.

In fact it is Rick Perry that right away would do away with three agencies of government if he were president commerce, education and . . . . . and . . . and. . . .uh . . . .uh . . . uh

Department of Interior?