Polish President Dies In Plane Crash

[ABM]

Sad.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100410/ap_on_re_eu/eu_russia_plane_crash

MOSCOW – Polish President Lech Kaczynski and some of the country's highest military and civilian leaders died on Saturday when the presidential plane crashed as it came in for a landing in thick fog in western Russia, killing 97, officials said.

Russian and Polish officials said there were no survivors on the 26-year-old Tupolev, which was taking the president, his wife and staff to events marking the 70th anniversary of the massacre in Katyn forest of thousands of Polish officers by Soviet secret police.

The crash devastated the upper echelons of Poland's political and military establishments. On board were the army chief of staff, national bank president, deputy foreign minister, army chaplain, head of the National Security Office, deputy parliament speaker, civil rights commissioner and at least two presidential aides and three lawmakers, the Polish foreign ministry said.

Although initial signs pointed to an accident with no indication of foul play, the death of a Polish president and much of the Polish state and defense establishment in Russia en route to commemorating one of the saddest events in Poland's long, complicated history with Russia, was laden with tragic irony.

Reflecting the grave sensibilities of the crash to relations between the two countries, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin personally assumed charge of the investigation. He was due in Smolensk later Saturday, where he would meet Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, who was flying in from Warsaw.

"This is unbelievable — this tragic, cursed Katyn," Kaczynski's predecessor, Aleksander Kwasniewski, said on TVN24 television.

It is "a cursed place, horrible symbolism," he said. "It's hard to believe. You get chills down your spine."

Andrei Yevseyenkov, spokesman for the Smolensk regional government, said Russian dispatchers asked the crew to divert from the military airport in North Smolensk and land instead in Minsk, the capital of neighboring Belarus, or in Moscow because of the fog.

While traffic controllers generally have the final word in whether it is safe for a plane to land, they can and do leave it to the pilots' discretion.

Air Force Gen. Alexander Alyoshin confirmed that the pilot disregarded instructions to fly to another airfield.

"But they continued landing, and it ended, unfortunately, with a tragedy," the Interfax news agency quoted Alyoshin as saying. He added that the pilot makes the final decision about whether to land.

Russia's Emergency Minister Sergei Shoigu said there were 97 dead. His ministry said 88 of whom were part of the Polish state delegation. Poland's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Piotr Paszkowski, said there were 89 people on the passenger list but one person had not shown up for the roughly 1 1/2-hour flight from Warsaw's main airport...........

 

[julius]

I'll save him the effort,

BlazerProphet "It's Bush's fault"


On a serious note, that's a sad day for the Polish people. I can't imagine how it would be if we lost our president and military leaders in a similar incident.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I'll save him the effort,

BlazerProphet "It's Bush's fault"

Considering the tragic and sad news, that was the single worst shittiest personal attack I have ever seen on this board in what is by now hundreds of thousands of posts. Had you said that to my face, you'd be cupping up your leaking snot & blood.

But what else should anyone expect from you around here? It certainly defines you as both as a person and a human being.

*edited* Why not tell a few Polish jokes as well? Go ahead, we're all waiting. *edited*

As to the plane crash and all the deaths, rather than make fun of it as Julius wants to, I find it deeply saddening. My greatest sympathies go out to the families and even the country who lost so many leaders.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Man, talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. Bummer.

Hopefully nothing crazy happens to Poland as a result.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

One more thing for you, Julius.

You can put your racist anti Polish Nazi remarks as it's freedom of speech around here. But don't you ever, ever attribute them to me or anyone else here. Not ABM, not Denny Crane, not Maris, not barfo, not me, not Sly Poker Dog... anyone. If you don't have the guts to own up your personal beliefs and have to pass them off onto other posters, then why don't you leave. At best, it's out and out slander. At worst, it being a liar and a gutless coward. Were I a mod and I saw not only the racism, but the fact you're hiding behind other posters.. it'd be the last post you ever made here. Ever.

I worked closely with the Russian & Polish community in the mid 1080's helping them to escape to this country. I personally purchased things for them (and their churches) as well as helped set up sponsors so many of them could escape communist persecution. I personally met with them, shared meals with them, got clothes for them, assisted getting jobs... and now I have a damnable racist making Nazi remarks and guttlessly attributing them to me.

You are personally below not only my contempt, but those that I have worked with, and for to try and forge better lives.

And no phony BS apology will fix this. Not for me and not for the Polish people I know.

 

[ehizzy3]

casualties:

president
first lady
two deputy parliament speakers
deputy senate speaker
chief of army
chief of aircraft
army chaplain
commander of Warsaw garrison
chief of navy
ombudsman
operational chief of polish armed forces
president of polish olympic comitee
central bank governor
chief of national security office
chief of special forces
deputy minister of foreign affairs
+ many other mp's, presidents of non-governmental organizations etc.

 

[Wheels]

holy smokes. RIP.

 

[illmatic99]

Wow. The country's leadership completely wiped out. Sad.

And the irony of why/where they were traveling makes this story even worse.

 

[Mamba]

Ouch.

That is a haymaker to the country.

 

[BGrantFan]

A terrible event. I can't imagine it in the US.

That said, what an amazing coincidence that this happens one day after it is announced that the USA is putting Patriot missiles in Poland.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2010/04/09/6218789.html

 

[BGrantFan]

I'll save him the effort,

BlazerProphet "It's Bush's fault"


On a serious note, that's a sad day for the Polish people. I can't imagine how it would be if we lost our president and military leaders in a similar incident.

What a shitty post. BlazerProphet, I agree with you.

 

[julius]

Considering the tragic and sad news, that was the single worst shittiest personal attack I have ever seen on this board in what is by now hundreds of thousands of posts. Had you said that to my face, you'd be cupping up your leaking snot & blood.

I'm not sure how that is a personal attack. You sometimes will say that, I assume, to be funny. So I said it to be funny. As for the "leaking snot and blood" comment, don't write checks your ass can't cash.

But what else should anyone expect from you around here? It certainly defines you as both as a person and a human being.

overreact much?

That was a joke. Jesus dude, chill out.

*edited* Why not tell a few Polish jokes as well? Go ahead, we're all waiting. *edited*

How on earth did you go from that to me telling a Polish joke?

As to the plane crash and all the deaths, rather than make fun of it as Julius wants to, I find it deeply saddening. My greatest sympathies go out to the families and even the country who lost so many leaders.

Whatever dude.

 

[julius]

One more thing for you, Julius.

You can put your racist anti Polish Nazi remarks as it's freedom of speech around here. But don't you ever, ever attribute them to me or anyone else here. Not ABM, not Denny Crane, not Maris, not barfo, not me, not Sly Poker Dog... anyone.

did you take too many hits off the boxed wine there man?

racist anti-polish nazi remarks? What in the fuck are you talking about?

If you don't have the guts to own up your personal beliefs and have to pass them off onto other posters, then why don't you leave. At best, it's out and out slander. At worst, it being a liar and a gutless coward. Were I a mod and I saw not only the racism, but the fact you're hiding behind other posters.. it'd be the last post you ever made here. Ever.

What racism did I present there? Did I make a Polish joke? Nope. Did I make a joke about any one particular race, or imply anything about one race being better (or inferior) than another? Nope. Have I ever? nope.

Wow, you totally went off your meds today or something. Wow, you are really wacko right now.

I worked closely with the Russian & Polish community in the mid 1080's helping them to escape to this country. I personally purchased things for them (and their churches) as well as helped set up sponsors so many of them could escape communist persecution. I personally met with them, shared meals with them, got clothes for them, assisted getting jobs... and now I have a damnable racist making Nazi remarks and guttlessly attributing them to me.

wait, aren't you the one who says "it's bush's fault" in jest? I swear that's you...that's all that was.

But let's say i was being seriously, how did that make me a racist? And how is it a "Nazi" remark?

You ever hear of a joke?

And how does what I said have anything at all to do with racism, nazism or attributing you to those comments? What does saying "it's Bush's fault" have to do with racism?

Seriously, answer me that? Since when does saying that have to do with anything at ALL to do with racism???

You are personally below not only my contempt, but those that I have worked with, and for to try and forge better lives.

And no phony BS apology will fix this. Not for me and not for the Polish people I know.

This is either a case of phony outrage, or you're completely shit faced. I'll chalk it up to you being shit faced, because I don't see how anyone who has full access to logic can make the pacific ocean wide step in logic here.

Poor joke? Maybe. I'm not sure how that comment, which is a joke (kind of like the original comments of the same ilk), has anything to do with race, especially considering the person who it is is about (Bush) is white and Polish people are white too.

You know what? Fuck you.

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154671

What is the 2nd post in the fucking thread? YOU doing the EXACT FUCKING JOKE I did. You know about, it being Bush's fault about the earth quake that hit Haiti. So don't act like this is some attack on your character, or reputation. I was just doing it before you did.

If someone made a comment about you being a racist nazi in that thread (albeit, they'd be stupid to make the comment..kind of like you are making the comment in here), at least it would involve people of different races.

Good grief, put down the boxed wine man.

 

[Denny Crane]

Devastating blow to Poland.

Why the fuck where they all on the same plane? Someone had to figure the worst might happen and what the consequences are of putting all the eggs in one basket (as someone else pointed out).

 

[The Sebastian Express]

I hope the president knows in afterlife that although this is an awful tragedy we got the line "can make the pacific ocean wide step in logic" out of it.

 

[julius]

Devastating blow to Poland.

Why the fuck where they all on the same plane? Someone had to figure the worst might happen and what the consequences are of putting all the eggs in one basket (as someone else pointed out).

I know that our leaders are now allowed to ever be on the same plane at the same time (President vs VP), but I don't know about President and military leaders. It would seem to make sense not to have them both (or many) be on the same plane or form or transportation.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I know that our leaders are now allowed to ever be on the same plane at the same time (President vs VP), but I don't know about President and military leaders. It would seem to make sense not to have them both (or many) be on the same plane or form or transportation.

Our President, VP and military leaders could never be on the same plane together, it would have to be a blimp with that much hot air.

 

[julius]

Our President, VP and military leaders could never be on the same plane together, it would have to be a blimp with that much hot air.

It would save on fuel consumption,

signed,


your neighborhood nazi

 

[barfo]

When catastrophes happen around the world, Americans often donate generously to the stricken country. We need to help Poland now. In order to replace what they lost, we need to send them some of our politicians. Give whatever you can, be it a Senator or just a small-town mayor.

barfo

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

One more thing for you, Julius.

You can put your racist anti Polish Nazi remarks as it's freedom of speech around here. But don't you ever, ever attribute them to me or anyone else here. Not ABM, not Denny Crane, not Maris, not barfo, not me, not Sly Poker Dog... anyone. If you don't have the guts to own up your personal beliefs and have to pass them off onto other posters, then why don't you leave. At best, it's out and out slander. At worst, it being a liar and a gutless coward. Were I a mod and I saw not only the racism, but the fact you're hiding behind other posters.. it'd be the last post you ever made here. Ever.

I worked closely with the Russian & Polish community in the mid 1080's helping them to escape to this country. I personally purchased things for them (and their churches) as well as helped set up sponsors so many of them could escape communist persecution. I personally met with them, shared meals with them, got clothes for them, assisted getting jobs... and now I have a damnable racist making Nazi remarks and guttlessly attributing them to me.

You are personally below not only my contempt, but those that I have worked with, and for to try and forge better lives.

And no phony BS apology will fix this. Not for me and not for the Polish people I know.

Dude, what in the hell are you talking about?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Dude, what in the hell are you talking about?

Nazi Zealots

 

[julius]

Dude, what in the hell are you talking about?

Yeah, I was a little confused by his assertion too.

Since he has said it on a couple occasions, (it's Bush's fault), or comments of a similar nature, it would seem to suggest that since he said the comment himself, that he is a much worse a damnable racist nazi than I am.

So...is he calling himself one?

I would think that's not his intention. So I propose some theories (but since I'm now personally below his contempt, someone else will have to relay this message to him):

he's trying to be heavily ironic, but sucked at it.

he's incredibly drunk, and totally misread what I had said (or in his world, the word "It's" followed by "Bush's fault" is obviously slang for racist nazi propaganda).

someone hacked his account, and wants to make it appear that BP has gone off the deep end and reads things that aren't said or even implied.

he overdosed on Oxycontin.

He has the comprehension skills of a 80 year old drunk, who has hit the bottle for the greater part of the last 65 years.

But what is troubling the most to me is that he seems to think that what I said was not only obviously (and blatantly) racist, but that I have a track record as someone who is always saying racist and nazi like things in here, and apparently against Polish people. He's having delusions of grandeur, on an almost papag like level.

I'm not to worried about what he thinks about me. Although the fact that he called me a nazi racist damnable coward who would be cupping my own bloody snot if I apparently said the Polish equivalent of the "N" word, is pretty humorous to me.

 

[ABM]

Yeah, I was a little confused by his assertion too.

Since he has said it on a couple occasions, (it's Bush's fault), or comments of a similar nature, it would seem to suggest that since he said the comment himself, that he is a much worse a damnable racist nazi than I am.

So...is he calling himself one?

He's coming over for today's game. I'll plan to work on settling him down some. Sometimes, he just inexplicably goes off. Generally speaking, a larger size of underwear does the trick.

 

[julius]

He's coming over for today's game. I'll plan to work on settling him down some. Sometimes, he just inexplicably goes off. Generally speaking, a larger size of underwear does the trick.

No harm done, everyone's allotted a few "woah, where'd that come from?" moments. This just seems to be one of those cases.

 

[MARIS61]

Devastating blow to Poland.

Why the fuck where they all on the same plane? Someone had to figure the worst might happen and what the consequences are of putting all the eggs in one basket (as someone else pointed out).

Insert Polish joke here________________________?

But what can you say? I doubt any other country does that, I know ours doesn't.

 

[MARIS61]

My guess is Putin set this up.

Or we could just accept the myriad of stars that had to align for such a coincidental power swing in his favor.