Politics & the NBA

[crandc]

For information only (which means I am not trying to start a war but it will probably happen anyway)

Information on political contributions from players, owners & Commissioner Stern.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I find it interesting that so many small market teams are in the top 10 of teams contributing. I don't see LA, NY, Chicago...

It's also like it that politics is pretty much invisible in pro sports with respect to contributing and things like that.

 

[crandc]

Strictly speaking, the "teams" don't contribute, the players and owners do. It's not like the Blazers as the Blazers are making donations. But yes, it's odd that players and owners in the bigger markets are less likely to donate than those in Portland, Orlando, etc. And Golden State, in political Bay Area, is dead last.

 

[magnifier661]

It's amazing the demographic on were the contributions are being made to. Fits the general voting population to a tee

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Blacks and jews go democratic? Shocked!

....

 

[crandc]

Blacks and jews go democratic? Shocked!

....

I see you are still president of the Asshole Society.

Ever heard of Eric Cantor? Sheldon Adelson? Paul Wolfowitz?

Herman Cain? Michael Jordan?

Of course, I'm an independent, but if you are an example of Republicanism, maybe not surprising Blacks and Jews (it is appropriate to capitalize the word) are more likely to support Democrats.

BTW, Paul Allen is not Black or Jewish...

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I see you are still president of the Asshole Society.

Ever heard of Eric Cantor? Sheldon Adelson? Paul Wolfowitz?

Herman Cain? Michael Jordan?

Of course, I'm an independent, but if you are an example of Republicanism, maybe not surprising Blacks and Jews (it is appropriate to capitalize the word) are more likely to support Democrats.

BTW, Paul Allen is not Black or Jewish...

Outliers. Look at the stats, I'm right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews

Election year Democratic candidate % of Jewish vote Result[17]
1940 Franklin D. Roosevelt 90 Won
1944 Franklin D. Roosevelt 90 Won
1948 Harry Truman 75 Won
1952 Adlai Stevenson 64 Lost
1956 Adlai Stevenson 60 Lost
1960 John F. Kennedy 82 Won
1964 Lyndon B. Johnson 90 Won
1968 Hubert Humphrey 81 Lost
1972 George McGovern 65 Lost
1976 Jimmy Carter 71 Won
1980 Jimmy Carter 45 Lost
1984 Walter Mondale 67 Lost
1988 Michael Dukakis 64 Lost
1992 Bill Clinton 80 Won
1996 Bill Clinton 78 Won
2000 Al Gore 79 Lost
2004 John Kerry 76 Lost
2008 Barack Obama 78


http://www.thegrio.com/politics/obama-campaign-focuses-on-black-vote-targets-hbcus.php

African-Americans made up 12.1 percent of the 131 million people who voted in the 2008 presidential election. The turnout rate for black eligible voters increased 4.9 percentage points from 2004, with a total of two million first-time black voters. In '08, 98 percent of black voters cast their ballots for Barack Obama.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

:MARIS61:

 

[MARIS61]

Blacks and jews go democratic? Shocked!

....

Racist rant time again.

 

[MARIS61]

I see you are still president of the Asshole Society.

Ever heard of Eric Cantor? Sheldon Adelson? Paul Wolfowitz?

Herman Cain? Michael Jordan?

Of course, I'm an independent, but if you are an example of Republicanism, maybe not surprising Blacks and Jews (it is appropriate to capitalize the word) are more likely to support Democrats.

BTW, Paul Allen is not Black or Jewish...

Actually, Paul Allen is quite Jewish.

Paul Gardner Allen was born in Seattle, Washington, into a modest Jewish family, his father Kenneth S. Allen, was an associate director of the University of Washington libraries, and Faye G. Allen. Allen attended Lakeside School, a prestigious private school in Seattle, and befriended Bill Gates, who was two years his junior but shared a common enthusiasm for computers. Together they monopolized the use of Lakeside School's single minicomputer. In need of more computing power, Allen and Gates snuck into the University of Washington computer labs. They were caught but struck an agreement with lab administrators by providing free computer help to students. After graduation, Allen attended Washington State University, though he dropped out after two years to go and work as a programmer for Honeywell in Boston, which placed him near his old friend again. He later convinced Bill Gates to drop out of Harvard University to found Microsoft.

 

[MARIS61]

Outliers. Look at the stats, I'm right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews

Election year Democratic candidate % of Jewish vote Result[17]
1940 Franklin D. Roosevelt 90 Won
1944 Franklin D. Roosevelt 90 Won
1948 Harry Truman 75 Won
1952 Adlai Stevenson 64 Lost
1956 Adlai Stevenson 60 Lost
1960 John F. Kennedy 82 Won
1964 Lyndon B. Johnson 90 Won
1968 Hubert Humphrey 81 Lost
1972 George McGovern 65 Lost
1976 Jimmy Carter 71 Won
1980 Jimmy Carter 45 Lost
1984 Walter Mondale 67 Lost
1988 Michael Dukakis 64 Lost
1992 Bill Clinton 80 Won
1996 Bill Clinton 78 Won
2000 Al Gore 79 Lost
2004 John Kerry 76 Lost
2008 Barack Obama 78


http://www.thegrio.com/politics/obama-campaign-focuses-on-black-vote-targets-hbcus.php

Maybe it's not so much who they're voting for, but who they're voting against.

Given the choice, most jews would vote for whomever ran against Hitler.

Republican politicians by and large have been racist in their voting, racist in their rhetoric, and racist in their behavior, for as long as I've been alive.

So maybe jews just see no reason to ever vote for a republican.

I saw a similar study recently that pointed out a decades-long trend where most educated people vote democrat and most ignorant or uniformed people vote republican, so I guess what you're trying to say in your awkward roundabout way is that most jews are smart.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Racist rant time again.

from above, Jewish people support democrats about 75% of the time, while blacks voted 98% for Obama. Of course, its racist to point it out when looking at this "study" of a basketball league which is 80% black and what seems to be a large number of jewish owners/commissioners when looking at the democratic support listed.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Maybe it's not so much who they're voting for, but who they're voting against.

Given the choice, most jews would vote for whomever ran against Hitler.

Republican politicians by and large have been racist in their voting, racist in their rhetoric, and racist in their behavior, for as long as I've been alive.

So maybe jews just see no reason to ever vote for a republican.

I saw a similar study recently that pointed out a decades-long trend where most educated people vote democrat and most ignorant or uniformed people vote republican, so I guess what you're trying to say in your awkward roundabout way is that most jews are smart.

studies are almost always skewed in one direction or another. they are far from objective.

 

[MARIS61]

studies are almost always skewed in one direction or another. they are far from objective.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Up is actually down and truth is actually fiction.

Except when you're comfortable with the result, as in your post #7 above.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

there are studies and there are statistics. different things.

 

[MARIS61]

there are studies and there are statistics. different things.

And there are studies of statistics, which is what I was referring to.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

you can't quantify "uniformed" or "ignorant". That is a value judgement.

 

[barfo]

you can't quantify "uniformed" or "ignorant". That is a value judgement.

I hope you are being sarcastic or something.

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

look, anyone can design a test to "prove" that a certain population is "ignorant" on a certain issue. these kind of surveys come out every so often, nothing more than to generate a talking point or some type of meme.

 

[MARIS61]

look, anyone can design a test to "prove" that a certain population is "ignorant" on a certain issue. these kind of surveys come out every so often, nothing more than to generate a talking point or some type of meme.

They didn't design anything, simply looked at level/years of formal education. Most people with advanced degrees are Dems, while most dropouts and non-college types are Reps.

As someone who was taught you are responsible for your own education and wisely invested a good portion of my "leisure time" digging through odd books at the library, museums, trying crazy stuff to "see what happens", and just plain pestering my elders with questions about stuff, I'll agree it's a generalization to say more formal schooling = more "educated".

I think it's more accurate to conclude that for every second/day/year/decade spent in a classroom "learning to perform a function", you lose a second/day/year/decade of experiences in the real world. It's a trade-off you can't avoid or take back. A Masters degree doesn't come with a voucher that adds 12 years (your twenties!) onto your life.

Obviously, if you want to be a neurosurgeon in America you're required to go through the formal bit for half your life. Your knowledge will be precise but only in the narrowest of scopes, leaving you quite ignorant of a myriad of common everyday facets of life that most people are thoroughly educated about, by experience.

 

[Denny Crane]

I hope you are being sarcastic or something.

barfo

I almost barf^H^H^H^H threw up in my mouth.

 

[MickZagger]

Blacks and jews go democratic? Shocked!

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Why do you think thats so?

 

[Denny Crane]

Why do you think thats so?

Looking at the stats posted, Jewish voters have been loyal to the D even during times when the party dominated the segregationist South. Nobody liked Jimmy Carter it seems.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Why do you think thats so?

Who knows, probably its in the culture. as previous generations influence future generations as to their political leanings, just like anything else.

 

[Shooter]

Racist rant time again.

Ignore the obvious time again.

 

[MickZagger]

Who knows, probably its in the culture. as previous generations influence future generations as to their political leanings, just like anything else.

No, it has everything to do with stances on social issues.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

No, it has everything to do with stances on social issues.

alot of it is groupthink, like any large group. social issues change with every year, yet the support is the same over decades. to think that society is the same now as it was 30-40 years ago and that a political party holds the same ideology is foolish.

 

[MickZagger]

alot of it is groupthink, like any large group.

Like all the churches in the bible belt who blindly vote Republican? I have family that is in that group.

Class warfare is kinda a bitch too.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Like all the churches in the bible belt who blindly vote Republican? I have family that is in that group.

Class warfare is kinda a bitch too.

Yes. alot of the modern day republican ideals don't even coincide with church teachings, but since its so ingrained in the culture, they think and vote that way.