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Get rid of that Twitter thing on the side of the main screen because it doesn't work/Musk sucks


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I guess these algorithms are over my head because capping how much information people can view is censorship….. right now. So essentially we are fighting censorship with censorship? That seems pretty stupid to me.

Is the cap a number that an individual can read per day?

If the cap is 10k tweets or something - I don't consider that to be "censorship". No human can read that much. The cap is just to prevent bots and AI mining.
 
I think many people are confused by this thread. I read it as a request to get rid of the twitter thing on the right side of ripcitytwo.com homepage. I think some posters think people are talking about getting rid of all of twitter.
 
Is the cap a number that an individual can read per day?

If the cap is 10k tweets or something - I don't consider that to be "censorship". No human can read that much. The cap is just to prevent bots and AI mining.

Yes that's what it was. https://www.engadget.com/twitter-pu...tweets-users-can-read-each-day-182623928.html

Twitter has begun aggressively limiting how many tweets users can view per day. On Saturday afternoon, Elon Musk said the company would restrict unverified accounts to reading 600 posts per day and new accounts to only 300 tweets daily. Meanwhile, Twitter will allow verified accounts to read 6,000 posts each day. For most people, that means, short of paying for Twitter Blue, they can spend about a minute or two on Twitter before encountering a "rate limit exceeded" error. Less than two hours later, Musk said Twitter would "soon" ease the limits to 8,000 for verified accounts and 800 for those without Twitter Blue.
 
Yes that's what it was. https://www.engadget.com/twitter-pu...tweets-users-can-read-each-day-182623928.html

Twitter has begun aggressively limiting how many tweets users can view per day. On Saturday afternoon, Elon Musk said the company would restrict unverified accounts to reading 600 posts per day and new accounts to only 300 tweets daily. Meanwhile, Twitter will allow verified accounts to read 6,000 posts each day. For most people, that means, short of paying for Twitter Blue, they can spend about a minute or two on Twitter before encountering a "rate limit exceeded" error. Less than two hours later, Musk said Twitter would "soon" ease the limits to 8,000 for verified accounts and 800 for those without Twitter Blue.

Elon is kind of a fucking idiot, if you honestly think about it.
 
I think many people are confused by this thread. I read it as a request to get rid of the twitter thing on the right side of ripcitytwo.com homepage. I think some posters think people are talking about getting rid of all of twitter.

Well, the problem is that the thing on the side broke BECAUSE of Elon screwing with Twitter... I'm sorry.... XXX
 
I think many people are confused by this thread. I read it as a request to get rid of the twitter thing on the right side of ripcitytwo.com homepage. I think some posters think people are talking about getting rid of all of twitter.

It's the same thing. Nothing actually exists outside of S2. This is the entirety of reality.

barfo
 
Ironically, the fact that you think that is a side-effect of censorship of history.
Free speech was a close to universally held belief across both parties. Only the fringe among regular folk supported it until very recently (people in power very often love censorship regardless of the party for example the Pentagon Papers showing censorship of information during the Vietnam war that's an example of Right Wing censorship). Now censorship has is more widely accepted in the US by regular people than ever before and unfortunately, that’s just a fact.
 
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I guess these algorithms are over my head because capping how much information people can view is censorship….. right now. So essentially we are fighting censorship with censorship? That seems pretty stupid to me.
That’s NOT censorship. They aren’t deleting tweets based on content (which they were pre-Elon). They are limiting the overall number of tweets an individual account can read to prevent data scraping that was being used to create ultra complex language models for automated AI censorship which Davos openly states they want to roll out. What you said is like saying the public library having a limit on how many books you can check out is censorship.
 
I explained why. Data mining for censorship bots.
I think you have a different definition of censorship than I do and I think it's different from the definition in the dictionary. Massive responses to discredit an idea are not censorship (so "cancel culture" isn't censorship). Censorship is the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.

So censorship is not criticism, you could call that propaganda or slander but it is not censorship. It is not a form of censorship in any way. Censorship by definition has to do with the removal of words or images. Commenting disparagingly about something and encouraging others to do the same is not the antithesis of freedom of speech it is actually the exercise of free speech. Free speech doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want and no one can say anything about that, quite the opposite. Even if this is done in a manufactured way it isn't hurting the right to free speech.

Making sure that everyone understands that this isn't a political conversation is important because it's a conversation about what goes on in forums such as this one. We all have agreed to be censored by the mods. We've all agreed to rules that actually censor us when we are personally attacking each other. So I think it's important to talk about what censorship is and what criticism is, which is just a natural part of free speech.
 
I think you have a different definition of censorship than I do and I think it's different from the definition in the dictionary. Massive responses to discredit an idea are not censorship (so "cancel culture" isn't censorship). Censorship is the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.

So censorship is not criticism, you could call that propaganda or slander but it is not censorship. It is not a form of censorship in any way. Censorship by definition has to do with the removal of words or images. Commenting disparagingly about something and encouraging others to do the same is not the antithesis of freedom of speech it is actually the exercise of free speech. Free speech doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want and no one can say anything about that, quite the opposite. Even if this is done in a manufactured way it isn't hurting the right to free speech.

Making sure that everyone understands that this isn't a political conversation is important because it's a conversation about what goes on in forums such as this one. We all have agreed to be censored by the mods. We've all agreed to rules that actually censor us when we are personally attacking each other. So I think it's important to talk about what censorship is and what criticism is, which is just a natural part of free speech.

Agreed. The way that social media operates should not be considered political. This site is a social media platform.

I find limiting people's ability to spend as much time as they want surfing Twitter is censorship. Totally disregarding the fact that it's an OBVIOUS cash grab by giving people a ton more options if they pay a sub.
 
I'm curious, how does a censorship bot work and why do you need data mining to enable it?

barfo
Language modeling. If you google data scraping and completion of censorship deathstar around AI you will find the answers. They are looking for trending patterns in language and creating models to then censor with AI. Again, Davos/WEF is very open about this. I think most people simply aren't informed about what the wealthiest people are openly stating they are planning for the rest of us. These are the very same entities I was and continue to be adamantly opposed to. Via some very clever sleight of hand, the wealthiest people on Earth have highjacked causes I supported my whole life and use them as Trojan Horses to push their pro-centralization of wealth and power agenda.

Of course, Evil never states it wants to do Evil it always says it's to "protect the German people" or to "defeat the evil Americans threatening mother Russia". So one has to see who is saying something (The WEF is the wealthiest people on Earth, who have a rather poor track record) and reading between the lines:

"“By bringing human-curated, multi-language, off-platform intelligence into learning sets, AI will then be able to detect nuanced, novel abuses at scale, before they reach mainstream platforms. Supplementing this smarter automated detection with human expertise to review edge cases and identify false positives and negatives and then feeding those findings back into training sets will allow us to create AI with human intelligence baked in,"

This article is slanted and editorializes too much, but it's not wrong.


https://www.technocracy.news/wef-calls-for-ai-to-censor-hate-speech-and-misinformation/
 
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I think you have a different definition of censorship than I do and I think it's different from the definition in the dictionary. Massive responses to discredit an idea are not censorship (so "cancel culture" isn't censorship). Censorship is the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.

So censorship is not criticism, you could call that propaganda or slander but it is not censorship. It is not a form of censorship in any way. Censorship by definition has to do with the removal of words or images. Commenting disparagingly about something and encouraging others to do the same is not the antithesis of freedom of speech it is actually the exercise of free speech. Free speech doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want and no one can say anything about that, quite the opposite. Even if this is done in a manufactured way it isn't hurting the right to free speech.

Making sure that everyone understands that this isn't a political conversation is important because it's a conversation about what goes on in forums such as this one. We all have agreed to be censored by the mods. We've all agreed to rules that actually censor us when we are personally attacking each other. So I think it's important to talk about what censorship is and what criticism is, which is just a natural part of free speech.
No, I'm talking about censorship where government asks big tech to censor articles and then big tech does. Cancel culture and deplatforming are faked grassroots efforts to deplatform people, but that's not what I'm talking about here. I mean we see that going both ways Bud Light and Milo Yiannopolous both got Cancel Cultured by opposing forces.

I'm talking about the article I'm linking below. I'm all for rigorous debate, but not hiding, or deleting alternative opinions, articles, and research which is what has been happening en masse. Again, I see that everyone is coming from a good place, but I believe they are not well informed.

Of course, Evil never states it wants to do Evil it always says it's to "protect the german people" or to "defeat the evil Americans threatening mother Russia". So one has to see who is saying something (The WEF is the wealthiest people on Earth, who have a rather poor track record) and reading between the lines:

"“By bringing human-curated, multi-language, off-platform intelligence into learning sets, AI will then be able to detect nuanced, novel abuses at scale, before they reach mainstream platforms. Supplementing this smarter automated detection with human expertise to review edge cases and identify false positives and negatives and then feeding those findings back into training sets will allow us to create AI with human intelligence baked in,"

This article is slanted and editorializes too much, but it's not wrong.

https://www.technocracy.news/wef-calls-for-ai-to-censor-hate-speech-and-misinformation/
 
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Language modeling. If you google data scraping and completion of censorship deathstar around AI you will find the answers. They are looking for trending patterns in language and creating models to then censor with AI. Again, Davos/WEF is very open about this. I think most people simply aren't informed about what the wealthiest people are openly stating they are planning for the rest of us. These are the very same entities I was and continue to be adamantly opposed to. Via some very clever sleight of hand, the wealthiest people on Earth have highjacked causes I supported my whole life and use them as Trojan Horses to push their pro-centralization of wealth and power agenda.

https://www.eutimes.net/2022/05/wor...-algorithmic-censorship-of-independent-media/

I don't find anything in that (obviously wildly biased) "news" story about bots or data scraping. I did find Breitbart quoted as an authoritative source, which says quite a bit.

Most people 'aren't informed' about crackpot conspiracy theories, it's true. If you want to try to spin someone saying something as part of a panel discussion as evidence of a sinister plot, go ahead.
But it's a long hike in the hot sun to go from one guy saying:

“The algorithms are written to promote engagement because engagement is profitable, engagement is more eyeballs, and what is engaging? The provocative, rumours, falsehoods, hate speech, divisiveness.”

“I don’t focus so much on what should be taken down, the overt censorship, but rather what is being promoted. If algorithms are promoting information that in essence is false or divisive because it is profitable, there I think there is accountability that is quite warranted for these companies”, Roth said.

to thinking that means there is a cabal of the rich and powerful want to use data scraping of tweets to enable censorship via bots.

Sounds to me like this guy Roth just wants Elon to quit proactively amplifying Nazis.

barfo
 
Agreed. The way that social media operates should not be considered political. This site is a social media platform.

I find limiting people's ability to spend as much time as they want surfing Twitter is censorship. Totally disregarding the fact that it's an OBVIOUS cash grab by giving people a ton more options if they pay a sub.
The biggest issue/concern is when the government 'requests' that the social media company remove or limit certain people or content.
Musk exposed that was actively happening 2-3 year ago. I have to believe it is still occurring on some platforms.
 
The biggest issue/concern is when the government 'requests' that the social media company remove or limit certain people or content.
Musk exposed that was actively happening 2-3 year ago. I have to believe it is still occurring on some platforms.

1000%
 
This article is slanted and editorializes too much, but it's not wrong.

If you have to say that about every link you post, maybe it would make sense to find some sources that aren't slanted and don't editorialize too much.

barfo
 
I don't find anything in that (obviously wildly biased) "news" story about bots or data scraping. I did find Breitbart quoted as an authoritative source, which says quite a bit.

Most people 'aren't informed' about crackpot conspiracy theories, it's true. If you want to try to spin someone saying something as part of a panel discussion as evidence of a sinister plot, go ahead.
But it's a long hike in the hot sun to go from one guy saying:

“The algorithms are written to promote engagement because engagement is profitable, engagement is more eyeballs, and what is engaging? The provocative, rumours, falsehoods, hate speech, divisiveness.”

“I don’t focus so much on what should be taken down, the overt censorship, but rather what is being promoted. If algorithms are promoting information that in essence is false or divisive because it is profitable, there I think there is accountability that is quite warranted for these companies”, Roth said.

to thinking that means there is a cabal of the rich and powerful want to use data scraping of tweets to enable censorship via bots.

Sounds to me like this guy Roth just wants Elon to quit proactively amplifying Nazis.

barfo
Ah OK well if you trust the richest people on Earth, despite being an avowed Communist I'm not sure what to tell you. Sure, everyone you disagree with are Nazis because the billionaire owned media tells you that. Don't you find it odd that suddenly your ideology is being spewed from the same forces that crushed the left for almost a century, namely the ultra wealthy? I guess not.
 
Yep that's a great example of the Right being pro-censorship. Turns out the left can do it to, but I get people who disagree with that are crackpot conspiracy theorists according to Barfo. Anyways all of these responses are predictable and sad. What I'm saying will come to a head quite soon and hopefully ya'll won't be cheering if your political enemies are treated like Unionists in Germany in the 1930's, because the framing of vaslty centralized power ironically calls everyone they disagree with Nazis while behaving like...well Germans in the late 1930's. Some see it and many, many don't and a sports forum isn't really the place for elevated political discussions so I will bow out. I thought perhaps pointing a few things out would open eyes. Pretty foolish on my part arrivederci and this time I am truly done with this thread.
 
I think you have a different definition of censorship than I do and I think it's different from the definition in the dictionary. Massive responses to discredit an idea are not censorship (so "cancel culture" isn't censorship). Censorship is the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.

So censorship is not criticism, you could call that propaganda or slander but it is not censorship. It is not a form of censorship in any way. Censorship by definition has to do with the removal of words or images. Commenting disparagingly about something and encouraging others to do the same is not the antithesis of freedom of speech it is actually the exercise of free speech. Free speech doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want and no one can say anything about that, quite the opposite. Even if this is done in a manufactured way it isn't hurting the right to free speech.

Making sure that everyone understands that this isn't a political conversation is important because it's a conversation about what goes on in forums such as this one. We all have agreed to be censored by the mods. We've all agreed to rules that actually censor us when we are personally attacking each other. So I think it's important to talk about what censorship is and what criticism is, which is just a natural part of free speech.

If you tweet "women don't have dicks" and you are banned, that is censorship. And if people calling you nazi for that tweet it is not "criticism".
 
If you tweet "women don't have dicks" and you are banned, that is censorship. And if people calling you nazi for that tweet it is not "criticism".
Weirdly specific. Almost as if you speak from experience...

(But of course calling you a Nazi is the essence of free speech.)
 
If you tweet "women don't have dicks" and you are banned, that is censorship. And if people calling you nazi for that tweet it is not "criticism".
If you tweet “women don’t have dicks” and you are banned that’s two acts of free speech happening in chronological order by two private entities. You are not being censored. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.
 

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