Trade Idea Poll: Giannis yes/no? (7 Viewers)

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Would you trade for Giannis?

  • Hell yes! Whatever it takes to get the former MVP

    Votes: 3 8.8%

  • I wouldn't give up x, y, or z but I'd certainly give up most if not all of the Bucks' picks

    Votes: 8 23.5%

  • Only for a very specific package (specify)

    Votes: 5 14.7%

  • No thank you

    Votes: 14 41.2%

  • Fuck no!

    Votes: 4 11.8%
  • Total voters
    34
Oklahoma City is dominating the NBA right now.
Last season they were the second youngest team to win the NBA title just a little bit older than the 77 Trail Blazers. They aren't going anywhere.

San Antonio has 22 year-old Wembanyama. They are deep and young and they aren't going anywhere either.

Blazers absolutely need to think long-term when making trades.

Both San Antonio and Oklahoma City have high basketball team IQ. I am sure they will exploit Giannis's weakness of not being able to shoot from distance.

I think it is much much better for the Trail Blazers to build like Oklahoma City and San Antonio. 6 foot 4, 6 foot 6+ players who can dribble shoot and pass. And do not require an arm and a leg to trade for.

Phoenix traded for Kevin Durant. Their record this season is worse than they were last season after 45 games. Imagine the Blazers ending up in the same position and giving up massive draft capital and good young players.

All while having a perfectly good two-way player who is 25 years old to build around.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I would go so far as to send out:

Scoot
Sharpe
Filler (Grant)
Milwaukee pick and swaps
Orlando pick
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I wouldn't give up both Scoot and Sharpe. Bucks can choose one of them, plus they can get Yang.

Might ultimately not be enough for Milwaukee - but I'm fine holding firm with that. I don't believe any other team will offer as much as you noted. If Giannis was 25 sure - but not when he's in his 30's and has played 70+ games once in 7 years, being paid a supermax. Go through the teams - its very hard to come up with any that have the assets or cap flexibility. The 2nd apron has totally changed this. ESPN only ranked the Raptors, Warriors, and Pistons as teams that could theoretically beat a Blazers offer. But Pistons are sitting out being in 1st place.

We need someone in the backcourt under the age of 36 next year - no way Dame and Jrue can play 82 games and the playoffs on a contender. While I like Love or the idea of signing someone that should be our 4th guard not the 6th man/occasional starter.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Maybe. Two actual picks and two young players isn't really that much. Scoot has thus far been a bust, largely because he cannot stay healthy. Shaedon is very talented but also very flawed.

You're going all in on a ring in 2026-2027.

Dame/Jrue
Tou
Deni
Giannis
Clingan

That's a championship starting unit. If Dame is unable to get back to a starting caliber player, you start Jrue and you look for shooting. Lots of shooting.
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The two Bucks pick swaps are super valuable. Even with Giannis the Bucks are in the lottery today in a worse than average East year.

Thats how the Celtics got Tatum and Brown - and the Thunder got Jalen Williams, which is 100% of NBA titles since Dame was previously a Blazer.

Blazers have a mega bargaining chip in that we control 3 years of Bucks picks, they've mortgaged their future salary cap with the Dame dead money until 2030.

Giannis is a stud and I'd love to get him. But its critical the Blazers don't overpay as even with a fair trade it will be very difficult to surround that roster with enough talent to beat OKC/Spurs/etc. Not to mention Luka and Jokic are probably the two best players in the NBA.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm curious about a couple things...

I don't think we can move Shae until after the season because of his PPP

Can we actually send Milwaukie's pick in 2029 back to them because of the weird trade language with Washington? They get the 2nd best pick of our Bos/Por/Mil picks. Do we need to get Washington to release the pick? Maybe we just have to promise the Bucks the best of those three picks?
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Shae can be moved in most Giannis deals straight up because the $ are big enough his PPP doesn't hold up anything.

The 2029 pick would likely just be the best of Bos/MIL/PDX - which obviously MIL would prefer over exclusively their own pick. I can't imagine the Blazers/Bucks would go through the trouble of trying to bring Washington into negotiations.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I wonder if we need to lock in the pick going to the Bulls so that we can free up some of our picks.

What is fair value for Giannis?

Best case for us is Scoot/Grant/Thybulle and picks for Giannis.

I'd go as high as Scoot/Shae/filler and picks for Giannis.

I wouldn't include Tou/Deni/Clingan. The whole point of this exercise is to go for a ring in 2026-2027 and we will need those three players to make that run.
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This would likely be a discussion for the summer - if we make the playoffs yes it unlocks more future Blazer picks - thats partly why I often argue its fine for the Blazers to just make the playoffs and payoff the Chicago debt.

In theory if the Blazers need to unlock more picks to send to the Bucks in the next week we yes modify the Chicago pick debt so we guarantee they get our 2026 pick regardless if its in the lottery - or only top4 protected or such. Wouldn't make any sense for Chicago to decline a value add offer like that. But doesn't make sense for the Blazers to offer that unless its the final part of a Giannis type of deal.

If it ultimately came to it I'd be more interested in unlocking future picks for Milwaukee than including BOTH Shae and Scoot. We need one of them IMO to contend.
 
Spurs have something like 36 draft picks. I think they could beat any deal we could offer.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'll offer this counterpoint.

If we're going for Giannis, we are going all-in on the championship next season and in 2027-2028. Toumani is much more valuable than Shaedon in that short window. He's an All-NBA caliber defender and the Blazers will need shooters around Giannis. Tou is a better three point shooter than Shae.

You're right that Shae has a higher ceiling but we won't have time for that ceiling to manifest. We need immediate contributors.
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Not sure Tou is an all nba defender this year, I know he's a solid defender but I dont see any 2025/26 stats that put him in the Top echelon of defenders. This year anyway. Id still keep Shae over Camara.
 
Hoopguru said:
Not sure Tou is an all nba defender this year, I know he's a solid defender but I dont see any 2025/26 stats that put him in the Top echelon of defenders. This year anyway. Id still keep Shae over Camara.
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Camara skillset is needed more on a contending team with proven scorers.

Perhaps Shae has more upside but for contending now I'm certainly taking Camara.

Doesn't really matter for the trade deadline this week as Camara is ineligible to be traded due to his extension - however Shae can be traded.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'll offer this counterpoint.

If we're going for Giannis, we are going all-in on the championship next season and in 2027-2028. Toumani is much more valuable than Shaedon in that short window. He's an All-NBA caliber defender and the Blazers will need shooters around Giannis. Tou is a better three point shooter than Shae.

You're right that Shae has a higher ceiling but we won't have time for that ceiling to manifest. We need immediate contributors.
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I agree that we need shooters around Giannis. I would disagree that Tou is a better 3 shooter than Shae. I realize the stats say differtently but I think Shae, at times, has been asked to take more difficult shots. Tou is usually wide open for his 3s.

Plus, Shae plays a different position than Giannis. Shae is our best SG. I think he fits in well next to Giannis and Deni in a starting role. I would bring Tou off the bench. We need to keep both IMO.
 
I keep seeing posts saying "these 4 teams are the lead contenders for Giannis" and we're not one of them. So... phew.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I keep seeing posts saying "these 4 teams are the lead contenders for Giannis" and we're not one of them. So... phew.
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To be fair, all of those lead back to one comment from Shams saying these 4 teams made aggressive offers. And like the game of telephone, the aggregators shove their own spin on it.
 
I would think Giannis has a list of 3-4 cites he like to go to? Kind of doubt PDX is one of them?
East coast closer to home.
 
This team was within sight of another championship in 1999-2000. We were 15 minutes away from beating the Lakers.

We got there because we rolled the dice on Steve Smith and Scottie Pippen.

If Giannis gives us even a 15% chance at a ring next season, I do it. Because that's at least 14% more than we have had in 25 years.
 
Natebishop3 said:
This team was within sight of another championship in 1999-2000. We were 15 minutes away from beating the Lakers.

We got there because we rolled the dice on Steve Smith and Scottie Pippen.

If Giannis gives us even a 15% chance at a ring next season, I do it. Because that's at least 14% more than we have had in 25 years.
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Cool story bro - what happened the VERY NEXT YEAR?
 
Yeah, if we can build a championship roster around him. They can have picks, Grant, Scoot, and Williams.

If not then I'm keeping the picks. I'm not trading those picks for anything less than a championship caliber roster.
 
The people who are saying no obviously have no idea how good Giannis is. He has a 33.46 PER this year and is one of the best defenders in the league. He’s one of the few guys to win MVP and DPOY in the same year. He’s not that old. He just turned 31. If we traded Scoot/Grant or Shae/Grant as the foundation of the trade, Giannis would still have the best roster he’s ever played with. He’s never played with a better two way player than Deni.
 
KingSpeed said:
The people who are saying no obviously have no idea how good Giannis is. He has a 33.46 PER this year and is one of the best defenders in the league. He’s one of the few guys to win MVP and DPOY in the same year. He’s not that old. He just turned 31. If we traded Scoot/Grant or Shae/Grant as the foundation of the trade, Giannis would still have the best roster he’s ever played with. He’s never played with a better two way player than Deni.
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PER is a shitty measure. And however great Giannis may be, he hasn't won nearly what he "should" have and repeated attempts to build winning teams around him have failed. Is he an amazing physical specimen who's not actually that great at Basketball? Why haven't Greece won anything with him? (Fuck, Greece beat the USA while Giannis was in elementary school.) Why couldn't he work with Dame? He's disturbingly similar to Zion - another physical freak with amazing PER who doesn't take his team anywhere.

And I think it's been a while since Giannis was an elite defender. And 31 is old for a certain kind of player, i.e., the kind that can't shoot and relies on speed.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Cool story bro - what happened the VERY NEXT YEAR?
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Who cares? If we had won in 1999-2000 I wouldn't have given a rats ass what happened the next year.

It's all about having a legit shot at a ring. We haven't had that in 25 years.
 
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