Trade Idea Poll: Giannis yes/no? (1 Viewer)

[Natebishop3]

This will be the move that kills the warriors. I’m here for it.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The people who are saying no obviously have no idea how good Giannis is. He has a 33.46 PER this year and is one of the best defenders in the league. He’s one of the few guys to win MVP and DPOY in the same year. He’s not that old. He just turned 31. If we traded Scoot/Grant or Shae/Grant as the foundation of the trade, Giannis would still have the best roster he’s ever played with. He’s never played with a better two way player than Deni.

Jrue and Middletown were both clearly better than Deni.

Deni has a chance to surpass them - but he hasn't yet.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

OKC also could beat any deal that we offer.

Yes both the Spurs and Thunder could.

But I highly doubt either franchise does. They already have young MVP level players. They have a ton of assets. They're going to be title favorites many years in the next decade as is. Too risky to mess with that when we've seen so many teams with MVP stars fail (Clippers, Nets, 6ers, Suns, etc)

 

[BIG Q]

Fwiw Jake Fischer is quoted saying giannis has zero interest in POR

Which is why I always thought this was a fools errand. And Portland should not be anyone’s bitch in this deal. No to KAT, no to Bridges. No to anyone else’s trash.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Fwiw Jake Fischer is quoted saying giannis has zero interest in POR

Early in his career, he said he didn't want to play for a big-market team. Now he says he wishes that international players played in big markets. My guess is he could be persuaded to stay if he liked his teammates.

 

[Chris Craig]

The Blazers aren't getting Giannis. Milwaukee will probably try to get the Blazers to be a third party in a trade so they can get their picks back. Portland needs to just hang on to those picks. They are going to be very valuable after Giannis is traded.

Portland and everyone else is going to have to wait until Giannis is moved for most other trades to happen.

Giannis will end up on the Warriors with Curry. It really fucking sucks, but it's going to happen.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I'm surprised to see that "no thank you" and "fuck no" (which are essentially the same answer to the question) getting 50% of the votes. I definitely thought more of you would be all in on this idea.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ripcity/s/W0Tsl2zEId

 

[Natebishop3]

None of the teams that people are throwing out for Giannis have any assets.

NY? Nope. No picks. No young players.

Miami? Nope. They have picks but their young players are mediocre at best. And we have covered the value of Miami's picks ad nauseum.

Golden State? Their young players are mediocre. Their picks might be worth something.

I have yet to see a team come forward that is a realistic partner.

 

[blazerkor]

I like the idea of getting Kuminga and Moody for our bench. So this deal would make me happy.
With FRP swaps heading from GS to Milwaukee in '27, '29 and '31 as well.

 

[Strenuus]

We either suck now and have a chance at being good in the 2030s

Or we become absolute fucking idiots, do this fucking moronic trade, become mediocre, and have nothing to show for it and we will suck again for another 10 years.

We would be absolute fucking idiots if we trade for giannis. Its not up for debate.

 

[B-Roy]

This trade works salary wise even with Sharpe on a poison pill. Intrigues me. Obviously add whatever picks needed.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

I haven’t seen any one mention it but if we did try and get Giannis and we have to trade one of our young guys, I would start with Clingan and keep Sharpe and Scoot if somehow possible. Right now I think of our young guys Clingan I would think would have good value to rebuilding team.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

None of the teams that people are throwing out for Giannis have any assets.

NY? Nope. No picks. No young players.

Miami? Nope. They have picks but their young players are mediocre at best. And we have covered the value of Miami's picks ad nauseum.

Golden State? Their young players are mediocre. Their picks might be worth something.

I have yet to see a team come forward that is a realistic partner.

GS does have all their picks - that would be worth plenty if they sent out 4 unprotected and 3 unprotected swaps. Giannis should cost less than that. Butler is worth more than salary matching we have in Grant as next season if Butler is healthy the Bucks could flip him for another asset or if not he's an expiring contract and they save the cash.

Miami with Ware, Jacquez has some young talented pieces. They have more picks now as its what - 3 years later from when we were looking with Dame so its unlocked most of their picks.

Both teams can pay enough for Giannis. Now is it enough to where they can still realistically contend and worth the cost of what the Bucks will want? They both have to heavily mortgage their long term future to do it. Maybe that is ultimately worth it or maybe not. But just in tradeable assets they have enough.

NY I'm not sure on though, they would for sure need a 3rd team involved and even then can it make sense. If they send out all of Bridges, KAT, Hart they kind of gut their rotation and even with Giannis its not clear that team can contend.

I really think its about a 50/50 chance Giannis gets dealt. The contract matching is probably actually easier right now as nearly everyone in the league is tradeable - while in the offseason a third of the league won't be eligible to be traded.

Will be an interesting 5 days either way.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I like the idea of getting Kuminga and Moody for our bench. So this deal would make me happy.
With FRP swaps heading from GS to Milwaukee in '27, '29 and '31 as well.
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I hate that deal - the upgrade from Grant to Kuminga is not worth giving up that unprotected Bucks swap.

I'd rather ditch Grant but I'm not giving up a FRP to do it.

Kuminga I'd take a flyer on and give up Timelord, Thybulle, 2nd rounders - etc but I'm not giving up a first or swap - let alone that Bucks unprotected one.

Moody would be what 3rd string here? I'm not giving him minutes above Sharpe, Scoot, Camara, Jrue. He's fine if we need depth but I don't see the point.

 

[RR7]

GS does have all their picks - that would be worth plenty if they sent out 4 unprotected and 3 unprotected swaps. Giannis should cost less than that. Butler is worth more than salary matching we have in Grant as next season if Butler is healthy the Bucks could flip him for another asset or if not he's an expiring contract and they save the cash.

Miami with Ware, Jacquez has some young talented pieces. They have more picks now as its what - 3 years later from when we were looking with Dame so its unlocked most of their picks.

Both teams can pay enough for Giannis. Now is it enough to where they can still realistically contend and worth the cost of what the Bucks will want? They both have to heavily mortgage their long term future to do it. Maybe that is ultimately worth it or maybe not. But just in tradeable assets they have enough.

NY I'm not sure on though, they would for sure need a 3rd team involved and even then can it make sense. If they send out all of Bridges, KAT, Hart they kind of gut their rotation and even with Giannis its not clear that team can contend.

I really think its about a 50/50 chance Giannis gets dealt. The contract matching is probably actually easier right now as nearly everyone in the league is tradeable - while in the offseason a third of the league won't be eligible to be traded.

Will be an interesting 5 days either way.

out of the 3 swaps for GS, 2 of those years, Milwaukee does not own a pick. So would be 4 picks, 1 swap. And there's the ever so small chance the 2030 pick could go to Washington, if it is 21-30, so could potentially only be 3 picks and a swap.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

out of the 3 swaps for GS, 2 of those years, Milwaukee does not own a pick. So would be 4 picks, 1 swap. And there's the ever so small chance the 2030 pick could go to Washington, if it is 21-30, so could potentially only be 3 picks and a swap.

Good point - yes that is all true.

But can easily have a 3rd team involved and send that draft equity back to Milwaukee if it was needed. So GS can put all of that offer on the table. It would be more than needed for Giannis IMO.

3 unprotected picks, 1 unprotected pick 1-20 (the 21-30 portion is nearly irrelevant), 1 unprotected swap, Kuminga/Butler/Moody/etc. That should be plenty.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I do think if OKC or SAS were at a different time in their roster construction they could have been a strong Giannis destination. Both have horded so many picks and assets they could easily pay the Giannis price. Just bad timing for the Bucks;

OKC just won the title as one of the youngest teams ever - no reason for them to risk Giannis addition. Their SGA/Jalen/Chet core is locked up long term. Tons of depth and assets to support them for the next decade.

Spurs for the first season have jumped to a top seed and have an amazing young core. Again about the worst time possible to try and get tons of assets from them.

Also Giannis is now injured for months and has played 1 season over 70 games the last 7 years. I think the Bucks ultimately just waiting too long to seriously shop Giannis. Probably should have just happened when they decided to trade Jrue or Middleton.

Lucky for the Blazers we cashed out the Dame asset when we did. I thought we were too late then he recovered from his injury season to have an elite scoring year. Somehow we got what Deni, Camara, Jrue, Timelord, two unprotected picks, two unprotected swaps. Without trading Dame when we did we'd have a far darker future.

 

[BonesJones]

This is how I look at structuring a package:



Goal is you have an immediate contention window, but can follow it up with a good enough starting 5 to have a sustained chance at winning it all (Scoot or Sharpe / Camara / Deni / Giannis / Clingan), and have enough assets post-Giannis trade to supplement the immediate future or that 5-man core further down the line.

If they feel like they have a chance at getting him to stay, then they should pull the trigger.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

This is how I look at structuring a package:



Goal is you have an immediate contention window, but can follow it up with a good enough starting 5 to have a sustained chance at winning it all (Scoot or Sharpe / Camara / Deni / Giannis / Clingan), and have enough assets post-Giannis trade to supplement the immediate future or that 5-man core further down the line.

If they feel like they have a chance at getting him to stay, then they should pull the trigger.

Camara can't be traded until June since he signed extensions in October.

Other than that - some good points.

Personally I wouldn't trade more than any one of Scoot/Sharpe/Clingan though. They can have Yang as the 2nd young player.

 

[BonesJones]

Neither Sharpe or Camara can be traded until June since they signed extensions in October.

Other than that - some good points.

Extension rules are my blind spot CBA wise.

I was under the impression that since it was a rookie-scale extension, that they were tradeable but had the poison pill in place?

As compared to veteran extensions with the 6-month pause in place on their ability to be traded.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Extension rules are my blind spot CBA wise.

I was under the impression that since it was a rookie-scale extension, that they were tradeable but had the poison pill in place?

As compared to veteran extensions with the 6-month pause in place on their ability to be traded.

Yeah I edited it - I believe your right its PPP and Sharpe CAN be traded (even though Google AI says differently). But Camara can NOT be traded.

 

[BonesJones]

Yeah I edited it - I believe your right its PPP and Sharpe CAN be traded (even though Google AI says differently). But Camara can NOT be traded.

Yeah Sharpe can but Camara can't according to Spotrac - I guess because Camara wasn't designated as a rookie-extension but a renegotiation-style extension? I trust you and Spotrac.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Interesting idea giving the Bucks swaps instead of just eliminating the swaps. But I don't think the Bucks would care that much since they are getting their picks to tank and the Blazers are aiming to win. If its something they really want I can see throwing it in - but if they don't give the Blazers much credit for it probably best just to leave that part out. If the Blazers ever had a crazy injury year or something that type of swap could have downside (even if thats super unlikely)

The 2029 pick being best of PDX/BOS/MIL is a big plus to them. Also that 2028 Orlando unprotected would have value.

 

[BonesJones]

Interesting idea giving the Bucks swaps instead of just eliminating the swaps. But I don't think the Bucks would care that much since they are getting their picks to tank and the Blazers are aiming to win. If its something they really want I can see throwing it in - but if they don't give the Blazers much credit for it probably best just to leave that part out. If the Blazers ever had a crazy injury year or something that type of swap could have downside (even if thats super unlikely)

The 2029 pick being best of PDX/BOS/MIL is a big plus to them. Also that 2028 Orlando unprotected would have value.

I like the idea of getting creative with the draft capital to retain as much as possible to move forward post-Giannis trade.

Example:
MIL gets the best of POR/ORL/MIL in 2028, Portland gets the worst of POR/MIL/WAS, allowing Portland to trade their 2027 pick next year (along with 2031 and 2033) or giving them more leeway for renegotiating protections on the pick they owe to Chicago so that they can guarantee Milwaukee's pick back to the Bucks in 2028. Portland having a level of control here with the draft capital and young talent they have should allow them enough flexibility (if they're creative) to have ammo left.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Can we trade Love shows we can on NBA trade machine (if we were going to trade here’s what I’d like to see)

Grant
Love
Thybulle
Clingan

For Giannis and his brothers plus picks

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Can we trade Love shows we can on NBA trade machine (if we were going to trade here’s what I’d like to see)

Grant
Love
Thybulle
Clingan

For Giannis and his brothers plus picks

Love can be traded but he doesn't count as salary going out.

If he's converted to standard NBA contract he has a 30 day trade restriction so can't be traded until the summer.

I doubt the Bucks would consider Love useful at all. If trading Giannis they would tank.

Id think the Bucks would want one of Scoot or Sharpe. I'm trying to put Scoot in the deal unless we trade away Jrue in which case I'm probably fine either way. But no Clingan. We'd need Clingan defense and size more than Sharpe or Scoots scoring - if we acquired Giannis. Clingan just doesn't seem like an exciting player for the Bucks to start a rebuild with but who knows.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Love can be traded but he doesn't count as salary going out.

If he's converted to standard NBA contract he has a 30 day trade restriction so can't be traded until the summer.

I doubt the Bucks would consider Love useful at all. If trading Giannis they would tank.

Id think the Bucks would want one of Scoot or Sharpe. I'm trying to put Scoot in the deal unless we trade away Jrue in which case I'm probably fine either way. But no Clingan. We'd need Clingan defense and size more than Sharpe or Scoots scoring - if we acquired Giannis. Clingan just doesn't seem like an exciting player for the Bucks to start a rebuild with but who knows.

Love Clingans heart and defense but he gets exposed badly in space. If you got Gianni’s you would more than make up for why you lose in defense. I’m partial I want to keep Scoot and Sharpe if at all possible

 

[blazerkor]

I hate that deal - the upgrade from Grant to Kuminga is not worth giving up that unprotected Bucks swap.

I'd rather ditch Grant but I'm not giving up a FRP to do it.

Kuminga I'd take a flyer on and give up Timelord, Thybulle, 2nd rounders - etc but I'm not giving up a first or swap - let alone that Bucks unprotected one.

Moody would be what 3rd string here? I'm not giving him minutes above Sharpe, Scoot, Camara, Jrue. He's fine if we need depth but I don't see the point.

We have a very different valuation on Moody. Dude starts on the Warriors, is a lights out shooter and a very good defender. So yeah for me it's getting two top notch bench players for Jerami and one of the swaps.

They would both be second string and I think they'd bring healthy competition for Shaedon and Toumani for their current starting roles.

The other thing it does is gives the Bucks a reason to stay bad through 2028 and that will likely result in them staying bad until '29 and '30.

 

[KingSpeed]

An old enemy could be about to rip Giannis away from the Heat

Joe Cronin and the Portland Trail Blazers could be about to break the Miami Heat's heart again.

allucanheat.com

 

[SharpesTriumph]

An old enemy could be about to rip Giannis away from the Heat

Joe Cronin and the Portland Trail Blazers could be about to break the Miami Heat's heart again.

allucanheat.com

The Miami heat fans and media that would flip out if we got Giannis would be amazing to watch.