Trade Idea Poll: Giannis yes/no?

[PDXFonz]

I’d love to be able to say that Giannis and Dame were destined to win a championship as one of the leagues best 1-2 options. Only… It was never meant to happen in MIL.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

We gotta stop falling in love with going after other teams bench players.

This team has enough depth and we just picked up a good depth piece for 2 2nds. Those are the depth moves we need to go after.

Save our big assets for a trade for a star.

 

[SwissBlazer]

We gotta stop falling in love with going after other teams bench players.

This team has enough depth and we just picked up a good depth piece for 2 2nds. Those are the depth moves we need to go after.

Save our big assets for a trade for a star.

Calling Giannis a bench player is a bit harsh.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Calling Giannis a bench player is a bit harsh.

I was talking about Moody and Kuminga

 

[Natebishop3]

For those keeping track at home:

Yes - 51%
No - 49%

 

[RR7]

For those keeping track at home:

Yes - 51%
No - 49%

 

[SharpesTriumph]

We gotta stop falling in love with going after other teams bench players.

This team has enough depth and we just picked up a good depth piece for 2 2nds. Those are the depth moves we need to go after.

Save our big assets for a trade for a star.

Agreed - yeah thats why I hate the idea of giving up any Bucks picks for Kuminga or Moody, etc.

 

[Everything Beagle]

My dumb idea: Deni, Camara, Grant (and maybe Scoot?) and all the Bucks picks back for Giannis. Deni and Giannis can’t offensively co-exist in the same lineup, so if you want Giannis that badly, you might as well trade Deni at the height of his hype. Heat Czech is the perfect permutation of his skill set for a Giannis-centered offense anyway. Thybulle coming back makes Camara less valuable, and the new guy’s shooting efficiency makes him doubly expendable. We open up two roster spots for Cissoko and Love, who are likely better than anyone we’d get from Milwaukee’s picks, we get rid of Grant, and we can keep our offense effectively the same. We ride Jrue, Giannis, and Dame next season to a win now run.

*I voted “fuck no”.

 

[PCmor7]

In reference to my first post: Can anyone here look at the deal laid out by RJROB21 and not say, if all involved would go for it, we would have to make that move?

I wouldn't make that deal. I think that's waaaay, waaaay too much to give up for an injury-prone declining star, who, if you made this deal, would be part of a team of declining stars with no real bench and no future assets with which to rebuild after Dame/Giannis/Jrue's imminent retirements.

I think I addressed something like this before. It doesn't make you a legit contender in the West. It does draw eyes to your team and make you interesting as something of a curiority or a nostalgia act -- if that's what you want to be, I can't argue against it, but it's not a winner in the short term and it's even worse in the long term.

 

[Everything Beagle]

I wouldn't make that deal. I think that's waaaay, waaaay too much to give up for an injury-prone declining star, who, if you made this deal, would be part of a team of declining stars with no real bench and no future assets with which to rebuild after Dame/Giannis/Jrue's imminent retirements.

I think I addressed something like this before. It doesn't make you a legit contender in the West. It does draw eyes to your team and make you interesting as something of a curiority or a nostalgia act -- if that's what you want to be, I can't argue against it, but it's not a winner in the short term and it's even worse in the long term.

Tom Dumdum might want the expiring contracts more than real talent he’d have to pay for right as he walks in the door. Until they expire he at least has entertaining athletes on the team.

 

[PCmor7]

Tom Dumdum might want the expiring contracts more than real talent he’d have to pay for right as he walks in the door. Until they expire he at least has entertaining athletes on the team.

Do we have anyone anywhere saying that, even an unnamed source said to have access to him? Because, if not, it's just pure speculation.

I could counter with "Why would the new owner want a team that wasn't a real contender for two years and then dropped into a seven-year rebuilding project".

 

[SharpesTriumph]

My dumb idea: Deni, Camara, Grant (and maybe Scoot?) and all the Bucks picks back for Giannis. Deni and Giannis can’t offensively co-exist in the same lineup, so if you want Giannis that badly, you might as well trade Deni at the height of his hype. Heat Czech is the perfect permutation of his skill set for a Giannis-centered offense anyway. Thybulle coming back makes Camara less valuable, and the new guy’s shooting efficiency makes him doubly expendable. We open up two roster spots for Cissoko and Love, who are likely better than anyone we’d get from Milwaukee’s picks, we get rid of Grant, and we can keep our offense effectively the same. We ride Jrue, Giannis, and Dame next season to a win now run.

*I voted “fuck no”.

Camara can't be traded until the summer.

Trading Deni would be a horrific mistake.

Giving the Bucks all their picks too - thats nuts.

Throwing in Scoot makes me think your trolling.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

An old enemy could be about to rip Giannis away from the Heat

Joe Cronin and the Portland Trail Blazers could be about to break the Miami Heat's heart again.

allucanheat.com

"Rip Giannis away from the Heat" - wow, their sense of entitlement hasn't changed, has it

 

[Everything Beagle]

Do we have anyone anywhere saying that, even an unnamed source said to have access to him? Because, if not, it's just pure speculation.

I could counter with "Why would the new owner want a team that wasn't a real contender for two years and then dropped into a seven-year rebuilding project".

Yes it was speculation in my part.. That’s why I used the word “might”.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Camara can't be traded until the summer.

Trading Deni would be a horrific mistake.

Giving the Bucks all their picks too - thats nuts.

Throwing in Scoot makes me think your trolling.

I voted fuck no.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

For those keeping track at home:

Yes - 51%
No - 49%

Oh look, apparently there's been some "vote dumping in the middle of the night," Donald

 

[Everything Beagle]

Do we have anyone anywhere saying that, even an unnamed source said to have access to him? Because, if not, it's just pure speculation.

I could counter with "Why would the new owner want a team that wasn't a real contender for two years and then dropped into a seven-year rebuilding project".

As for the second part: because he might have no intention of keeping the team in Portland and doesn’t care what we think because they’ll be in Las Vegas in two years.

 

[PCmor7]

Yes it was speculation in my part.. That’s why I used the word “might”.

Then it seems kind of moot, doesn't it? The thread's asking us hat we would do, not what we thinks the new owner might do when none of us have anything with which to base those assumptions.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Then it seems kind of moot, doesn't it? The thread's asking us hat we would do, not what we thinks the new owner might do when none of us have anything with which to base those assumptions.

It’s how I think about trade stuff. I put myself in the owner’s shoes, turn off all empathy and think only of riches. Billionaires are some of the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet, so I pick the worst possible thing I can think of and assume that approximates someone smarter talking the owner down from an even stupider move I can’t conceive of.

 

[PCmor7]

As for the second part: because he might have no intention of keeping the team in Portland and doesn’t care what we think because they’ll be in Las Vegas in two years.

I'm going to ask this again and try not to be too mean about this, but why do you keep throwing these hypotheticals in here without anything solid to bring them into the conversation? What is the good of putting all these qualifiers in here when you even cede that we have nothing solid with which to propose them?

Would you trade for Giannis if an asteroid was going to end human life on earth in 18 months?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

It’s how I think about trade stuff. I put myself in the owner’s shoes, turn off all empathy and think only of riches. Billionaires are some of the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet, so I pick the worst possible thing I can think of and assume that approximates someone smarter talking the owner down from an even stupider move I can’t conceive of.

Congrats, your posts proved this statement to be incorrect.

 

[blazerkor]

I voted fuck no.

I voted no thank you but if I thought that was the price we'd have to pay I would have voted fuck no as well.

 

[PCmor7]

It’s how I think about trade stuff. I put myself in the owner’s shoes, turn off all empathy and think only of riches. Billionaires are some of the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet, so I pick the worst possible thing I can think of and assume that approximates someone smarter talking the owner down from an even stupider move I can’t conceive of.

You aren't doing that, though. Again, the threads not about what the owner would do, it's about what we would do, and neither you nor I have any idea what this billionaire or any other billionaire would do. Plus, grouping people together as a monolith just based on their economic status is not something I'm comfortable doing any more than I'm comfortable grouping people together as a monolith for how they pray or who they are romantically attracted to. It's just the same as saying all poor people are poor for the same reasons and have the same motivations and problems.

 

[Everything Beagle]

I'm going to ask this again and try not to be too mean about this, but why do you keep throwing these hypotheticals in here without anything solid to bring them into the conversation? What is the good of putting all these qualifiers in here when you even cede that we have nothing solid with which to propose them?

Would you trade for Giannis if an asteroid was going to end human life on earth in 18 months?

First, because there is no point in researching anything. Sly can tell you, I used to be one of the most meticulous stat crunchers on the forum. I tried to think of everything. I’ve been with this community of people since 1995, when this was the BLT.

What I learned was this: we control nothing, logic has next to nothing to do with the trades that do get done because the NBA isn’t a sport, it’s a business. So I wing it now. I follow hunches and when I’m wrong, nobody is upset, least of all me, because I haven't assembled my deal idea like it was a Warhammer 40K army. The less upset I am, the happier I can be instead.

It’s just a forum. It’s just people shooting the shit and talking Blazers.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Congrats, your posts proved this statement to be incorrect.

Aww, there’s a lot more of them than there are of me, so I doubt very much I moved the needle at all.

Deni will never again be as productive as he was this first half of the season. He should never have to be, and we have been burning him like a torch. He’s soon to be damaged goods and I don’t think Cronin is in the business of paying top dollar for damaged goods. That is the core of my hunch. I’m just calling it as I foresee it.

 

[Everything Beagle]

You aren't doing that, though. Again, the threads not about what the owner would do, it's about what we would do, and neither you nor I have any idea what this billionaire or any other billionaire would do. Plus, grouping people together as a monolith just based on their economic status is not something I'm comfortable doing any more than I'm comfortable grouping people together as a monolith for how they pray or who they are romantically attracted to. It's just the same as saying all poor people are poor for the same reasons and have the same motivations and problems.

If you have such a problem with how I post, ignore me or pay Sly the money and have me banned.

 

[PCmor7]

If you have such a problem with how I post, ignore me or pay Sly the money and have me banned.

I'd have to send Sly Scoot, Shae, Deni and six 1R picks. It's too steep a price.

I hope you weren't serious about the first part about me having a problem with how you post. I'm not sure how you'd get that, but this entire dialog started, IIRC, because you quoted me.

 

[Everything Beagle]

I'd have to send Sly Scoot, Shae, Deni and six 1R picks. It's too steep a price.

I hope you weren't serious about the first part about me having a problem with how you post. I'm not sure how you'd get that, but this entire dialog started, IIRC, because you quoted me.

I feel like you’ve been on my ass about harmlessly speculating when I also gave my personal opinion in this thread (I voted fuck no). To me that feels like you have a problem with how I’m posting. I like you! I think you bring a lot, but I’m frankly confused as to why you’re shaking me like a chew toy over the way I present myself in this thread.