Trade Idea Poll: Giannis yes/no?

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Wow, we finish the season record over .500 (which NOBODY saw coming) with a team that suffered way more than their fair share of injuries. We actually make the playoffs and get matched up with one of the main contenders for a ring. We do way better against that team than we have ANY right to expect, but because we're now of the edge of elimination (from a spot we have no real business being in) everyone wants to tear it all down, burn it all up and cut their own throats. Yeah, lets's trade the young nucleus for a broken down superstar to go with the other end of their career studs we have so we can shit all over our future for a pie in the sky shot at very short term success next season. I may be old, with one foot in the grave but even I don't want a championship THAT bad. Let's keep building on what we have. An extremely shaky shot at one and done doesn't cut it

 

[twobullz]

Wow, we finish the season record over .500 (which NOBODY saw coming) with a team that suffered way more than their fair share of injuries. We actually make the playoffs and get matched up with one of the main contenders for a ring. We do way better against that team than we have ANY right to expect, but because we're now of the edge of elimination (from a spot we have no real business being in) everyone wants to tear it all down, burn it all up and cut their own throats. Yeah, lets's trade the young nucleus for a broken down superstar to go with the other end of their career studs we have so we can shit all over our future for a pie in the sky shot at very short term success next season. I may be old, with one foot in the grave but even I don't want a championship THAT bad. Let's keep building on what we have. An extremely shaky shot at one and done doesn't cut it

That is my fear. Sit through the tanking years to trade the young core for a use to be superstar. I can't imagine any world where any team would not demand Deni be included in any trade for one of the over the hill gang.

 

[Chris Craig]

Wow, we finish the season record over .500 (which NOBODY saw coming) with a team that suffered way more than their fair share of injuries. We actually make the playoffs and get matched up with one of the main contenders for a ring. We do way better against that team than we have ANY right to expect, but because we're now of the edge of elimination (from a spot we have no real business being in) everyone wants to tear it all down, burn it all up and cut their own throats. Yeah, lets's trade the young nucleus for a broken down superstar to go with the other end of their career studs we have so we can shit all over our future for a pie in the sky shot at very short term success next season. I may be old, with one foot in the grave but even I don't want a championship THAT bad. Let's keep building on what we have. An extremely shaky shot at one and done doesn't cut it

I would like to see a championship in my lifetime. I would give up the Seahawks (the only other team I root for...well now the fire) championships for one blazer championship. Just one. In my lifetime.

But, its not going to happen. One way or the other. So, I guess it doesn't matter. But, a team has to take risks to win it all. Sitting around and doing what we have done for the last 25 years isn't going to work. We have seen that movie.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

If we don't, we don't contend now or in the future. We aren't going to be able to build shit. Have you been watching this franchise the last 25 years? The NBA isn't going to gift us a Wemby. Even if those Buck picks are good, I have no faith this team will pick the right player. The Blazers will always honk the wrong number of honks. The only way we contend is to trade for a star(s) to put next to Dame. Once he is gone in a few years, we are fucked.

So you want to put an older Dame and Giannis together - when they lost 8 round1 playoff games and won 3 together?

Dame and CJ accomplished 10x more.

Im not married to keeping the picks. But if we trade them there needs to be a realistic chance to contend. Your proposal is beyond a pipe dream.

For all we know Dame is going to come back like Kobe Bryant. Durant is probably the biggest Achilles success story ever but every team he goes to ends up worse. Wes Matthews was much younger but never close to his pre Achilles peak.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I would like to see a championship in my lifetime. I would give up the Seahawks (the only other team I root for...well now the fire) championships for one blazer championship. Just one. In my lifetime.

But, its not going to happen. One way or the other. So, I guess it doesn't matter. But, a team has to take risks to win it all. Sitting around and doing what we have done for the last 25 years isn't going to work. We have seen that movie.

There's 30 teams and the NBA has lots of repeat winners. It's not realistic to expect a championship every 25 years.

The leagues also just totally different rules and salary cap than decades ago. Plenty of small markets with Tor, MIL, Den, Det, SAS, OKC.

Trading a bunch of youth and picks for declining supermax allstars just isn't the blue print to follow. Seen it done with the glamor market and it usually fails.

Not to say the Blazers don't need better decisions than the last few decades. But they need to stop blowing picks on Meyers Leonard, Kris Murray, Yang types. Or blowing tons of free agency $ on Jerami Grant, Jusut Nurkic, Anfernee Simons types.

Your basically trying to emulate the Clippers acquiring Paul George. Id prefer we try to emulate the Thunder or Celtics getting a title.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

So you want to put an older Dame and Giannis together - when they lost 8 round1 playoff games and won 3 together?

Dame and CJ accomplished 10x more.

Im not married to keeping the picks. But if we trade them there needs to be a realistic chance to contend. Your proposal is beyond a pipe dream.

For all we know Dame is going to come back like Kobe Bryant. Durant is probably the biggest Achilles success story ever but every team he goes to ends up worse. Wes Matthews was much younger but never close to his pre Achilles peak.

Problem is who do you build around, are the young guys we have good enough to build around or are we on pace to be mediocre over the next ten years. Deni is great but not a number 1 on championship team. Sharpe hasn’t shown anything in playoffs when lights are brightest, Scoot has been good until yesterday but is he star ? His MO has been inconsistency, flashes of good and then couple of games he disappears. Clingan is very limited, virtually unplayable against certain teams. Tou is nice piece but still a ways away from being a good 2 way player. Do you ride it out till we get a couple more shots with our draft capital?

 

[BBert]

That is my fear. Sit through the tanking years to trade the young core for a use to be superstar. I can't imagine any world where any team would not demand Deni be included in any trade for one of the over the hill gang.

And very possibly a one year rental of said former superstar.

 

[wizenheimer]

Wow, we finish the season record over .500 (which NOBODY saw coming)

just a FYI...half of the posters at the Blazer RealGM board predicted the Blazers to win 39 games or more. I predicted 40. So, I'd say a lot of people were at least toying with the idea of Portland being a .500 team

it's just hard to gauge how many teams are tanking any given year. 10 of Portland's last 12 wins came against teams engaged in various degrees of tanking. Memphis, Indiana (twice), Utah, Brooklyn (twice), Bucks, Wizards, Sacramento, Pels. Those 10 wins really burnished the Blazer won/loss record

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

just a FYI...half of the posters at the Blazer RealGM board predicted the Blazers to win 39 games or more. I predicted 40. So, I'd say a lot of people were at least toying with the idea of Portland being a .500 team

it's just hard to gauge how many teams are tanking any given year. 10 of Portland's last 12 wins came against teams engaged in various degrees of tanking. Memphis, Indiana (twice), Utah, Brooklyn (twice), Bucks, Wizards, Sacramento, Pels. Those 10 wins really burnished the Blazer won/loss record

How can you still go to RealGM? Their whole layout over there makes my eyes bleed.

 

[wizenheimer]

How can you still go to RealGM? Their whole layout over there makes my eyes bleed.

old habits for old man

 

[illmatic99]

I dont really want Giannis given his age/mileage/game/contract but if we do insist on bringing him to portland, I'd ship Deni out. Their styles are duplicative for the most part.

Would much rather keep Deni and be the third team in a Giannis trade that lands us some shooters. Jabari Smith, Trey Murphy, Lauri, etc..

 

[kjironman1]

I dont really want Giannis given his age/mileage/game/contract but if we do insist on bringing him to portland, I'd ship Deni out. Their styles are duplicative for the most part.

Would much rather keep Deni and be the third team in a Giannis trade that lands us some shooters. Jabari Smith, Trey Murphy, Lauri, etc..

He's 31. He's got probably 5 more years of dominating the league. It's not like he old.

 

[e_blazer]

I dont really want Giannis given his age/mileage/game/contract but if we do insist on bringing him to portland, I'd ship Deni out. Their styles are duplicative for the most part.

Would much rather keep Deni and be the third team in a Giannis trade that lands us some shooters. Jabari Smith, Trey Murphy, Lauri, etc..

I don’t see their games as duplicative, maybe multiplicative though. Yes, they both are monsters in the paint who can pass well, but Giannis is much bigger and stronger power player who can blast through the opposing bigs. Deni overpowers wings and forces them to foul him. Having both on the court at the same time creates nearly impossible coverage issues for a defense. Overload to try to contain Deni’s drives and he flips the ball to Giannis who bulls through light coverage for the jam. Stay at home on Giannis with double coverage when Deni’s driving and he just continues to the hoop. And then there’s the added benefit of being able to rest one while the other continues to provide the interior scoring power. I’m also interested in seeing Giannis powering into Wemby. That should be interesting.

 

[e_blazer]

 

[GoZers]

I would like to see a championship in my lifetime. I would give up the Seahawks (the only other team I root for...well now the fire) championships for one blazer championship. Just one. In my lifetime.

But, its not going to happen. One way or the other. So, I guess it doesn't matter. But, a team has to take risks to win it all. Sitting around and doing what we have done for the last 25 years isn't going to work. We have seen that movie.

Their shot at a championship will come after drafting a superstar. By luck, with the number pick, whatever it may be, that will be it. Which is why you dont go for being in the F'n play-in while losing a lottery pick.

 

[e_blazer]

Their shot at a championship will come after drafting a superstar. By luck, with the number pick, whatever it may be, that will be it. Which is why you dont go for being in the F'n play-in while losing a lottery pick.

The Blazers have been in the NBA draft lottery 13 times since 2004. With all due respect to Dame Lillard, that's 13 years of futility for fans to endure with zero superstars...if you're using that term to mean the guy who is an absolute dominant player, perennial MVP candidate, and can power a decent supporting cast to the finals. The 2006 draft, IMO, yielded the best shot at a title with the Blazers maneuvering to get Aldridge and Roy, but neither of those guys would qualify as that superstar you're dreaming of. Aldridge had the talent, but not the mental makeup. Roy had the talent, but not the knees. Oden could have been that guy, but we know how that played out. So, it's not as if being the tankers of the NBA has any real history of playing out here.

 

[GoZers]

The Blazers have been in the NBA draft lottery 13 times since 2004. With all due respect to Dame Lillard, that's 13 years of futility for fans to endure with zero superstars...if you're using that term to mean the guy who is an absolute dominant player, perennial MVP candidate, and can power a decent supporting cast to the finals. The 2006 draft, IMO, yielded the best shot at a title with the Blazers maneuvering to get Aldridge and Roy, but neither of those guys would qualify as that superstar you're dreaming of. Aldridge had the talent, but not the mental makeup. Roy had the talent, but not the knees. Oden could have been that guy, but we know how that played out. So, it's not as if being the tankers of the NBA has any real history of playing out here.

It doesn’t matter. It’s still the best thing for this rebuild. Just because past picks did or didn’t pan out is totally irrelevant to the future. They need lottery picks. Period. Instead in the span of a year they took Yang and made everyone get the feels by getting boat raced by the Spurs which we knew would happen. It was absolutely stupid management. Fire all of them. People all fired up by getting into the play in dumbbbbb

 

[STOMP]

Wow, we finish the season record over .500 (which NOBODY saw coming) with a team that suffered way more than their fair share of injuries. We actually make the playoffs and get matched up with one of the main contenders for a ring. We do way better against that team than we have ANY right to expect, but because we're now of the edge of elimination (from a spot we have no real business being in) everyone wants to tear it all down, burn it all up and cut their own throats. Yeah, lets's trade the young nucleus for a broken down superstar to go with the other end of their career studs we have so we can shit all over our future for a pie in the sky shot at very short term success next season. I may be old, with one foot in the grave but even I don't want a championship THAT bad. Let's keep building on what we have. An extremely shaky shot at one and done doesn't cut it

Sorry what? Last offseason in multiple threads I stated they'd make the playoffs. Do I need to dig those up? Or am I a...



STOMP

 

[Mrvioletowl]

Def would go for it. Grant, Scoot or Sharpe, their picks. He can play with Dani, especially if RW3 leaves, we can use Gianis as a 5.
My other target is Banchero or Wagner. There are rumors of a star wanting out of Orlando.
I feel like Grant and Scoot and their pick back would do it, plus whatever else we need to throw in.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Again, how do we really know it’s Giannis? What if it’s us being facilitators to get KAT?

 

[Chris Craig]

Blazers have to something. We can't stand pat with this. Dame needs more help.

 

[blazerkor]

Blazers have to something. We can't stand pat with this. Dame needs more help.

We definitely need moves made.

I personally don't think they should be made with Dame in mind. We haven't yet seen how compromised his mobility will be, so we should build the team with a mindset that whatever we get out of Dame will be icing on what should be a cake that could win without him.

 

[Mrvioletowl]

Agreed. This is why I'd rather keep Scoot than Sharpe if one needs to go in a trade.

 

[blazerkor]

Agreed. This is why I'd rather keep Scoot than Sharpe if one needs to go in a trade.

It's why I want to keep them both. I think they both have their best basketball in front of them and when each peaked at different times this season they were nba starting level already. They're both just 22 years old.

I have said it too many times but if we trade either of them we could definitely look like Washington after the Deni trade. I wouldn't risk it unless it's in a package for an all nba level player whose best ball is still ahead of him.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I don't understand the idea that moves have to be made. We have a lot of young guys with more upside. We have a 9 time all-star returning from a major injury. Seeing how both perform at the start of next season will allow us to better know what moves are needed.

I might argue this is the first summer in a decade big moves are not needed.

 

[Mrvioletowl]

Would you trade Sharpe for Wagner, if the option is on the table?
I would as long as we can get rid of Grant in the process.

 

[blazerkor]

Would you trade Sharpe for Wagner, if the option is on the table?
I would as long as we can get rid of Grant in the process.

I think Shae has the higher upside, so no thanks.

 

[MrDraftGuy]

The problem with Giannis is he's too old. It's like the Kawhi/Paul George duo (with old guys like Norman Powell or James Harden next to them).

I think it could work well for two years but there's no depth to the team, afterward. Then, age and injury limit your window.

A Franz Wagner trade makes far more sense. But I don't see the Magic doing this considering how crucial Wagner has been to the Magic notching 3 wins against the Pistons. Wagner-Banchero is still one of the youngest duos to ever average 20ppg together.