Science Poll: how are you feeling about the team after this Billups thing?

[Rastapopoulos]

I believe in second chances.

As this incident happened when he was a nobody and then he bounced around before settling in Detroit and becoming Mr. Big Shot -- wasn't his whole career a "second chance"? I guess the secret is to get away with something* when you're a nobody and then become famous so that when it finally comes out all your fans will instantly forgive you.

*Allegedly.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Either you're a split personality or two different people controlling the same account.

Have I said anything different ever?

Have there been any issues off the floor with anyone under Olshey?

 

[Propagandist]

This new Dame is so strange. I never thought there was even a chance of him leaving, now it wouldn't surprised me in the least. So it goes, I suppose...

 

[Propagandist]

Have I said anything different ever?

Have there been any issues off the floor with anyone under Olshey?

I like the new you. And the old you. Or the other you. Or you, I guess.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Well, Olshey made the right calculation judging by the results of this poll.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I like the new you. And the old you. Or the other you. Or you, I guess.

I get that from some people

 

[e_blazer]

I chose the third option: “I'm honestly confused - I don't like the accusation but I trust the vetting process.” Not really sure how I could go with any of the other choices. If the accusation is true, then I don’t give a rat’s ass how good of a coach he is. Someone who could do that to a woman shouldn’t ever be allowed to be the face of leadership in professional sports. OTOH, the choice that an accusation should automatically disqualify him is just wrong. Accusations are not proof and the civil settlement does nothing to determine guilt or innocence. I’d be “sad” if the Blazers were unwilling to consider an otherwise qualified candidate simply because someone had accused them of something, even something as egregious as rape. It sounds as if the Blazers have done a thorough investigation and it matched what Billups had to say about the event. I’m going to be very interested to hear what is said on Tuesday about that.

 

[barfo]

I would have chosen the 3rd option, but I don't trust the vetting process.

barfo

 

[blazerkor]

I know we like to hate on Olshey... at least I do but this situation is pretty hard for him to have actually fucked up. He knows about 1997, the team spends a couple of days vetting that incident after they decide on Chauncey. The team sees the public outcry not to hire Chauncey but the team goes with him anyway, just like ESPN did and just like the Clippers did. There must be compelling information that clears Chauncey's name otherwise why would Disney, Steve Ballmer and the Paul Allen Trust all put their reputations on the line for this guy?

The wouldn't do it. It would have been so much easier to tell Mike D'Antoni to come on down but that's not what the team did. I have no information of my own that clears Chauncey Billups but common sense does go a long way in situations like this one.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

https://www.deseret.com/1993/2/12/19031900/troubles-aren-t-over-just-yet-for-4-players-from-portland

The current law allows prosecutors to charge adults with the felony if they have sex with a minor 15 years or younger.

Its crazy that in 1993 it was perfectly legal for an NBA player to have sex with a 16 or 17 year old in Salt Lake City.

Billups incident was 4 years later.

 

[Eastoff]

Its crazy that in 1993 it was perfectly legal for an NBA player to have sex with a 16 or 17 year old in Salt Lake City.

Billups incident was 4 years later.

What do you mean 1993?

Utah is among the few U.S. states that have separate ages of consent for women and men. For women, the age of consent in Utah is 16 years old. While for men, it is 18 years old. However, for women between the ages of 16 and 18, there are some restrictions. No person under the age of 18, male or female, can legally consent to sex with a person who is more than 10 years older than the minor.

 

[Paine Tablet]

obviously, it can go both ways, but i think chauncey billups has all the right ingredients to become successful head coach and im excited to see what he has in store for this team

regarding his past, we dont know if he raped that woman or not, only couple of persons know that: chauncey, that woman & his friend or colleague that was there with them and obviously god, so its wrong to call him a rapist when he might be innocent, but its also wrong to call him innocent (it wouldnt be fair to that woman if he really raped her), so im gonna stay abstained and even if he did raped her, he escaped justice in this world, but he wont escape justice on a judgment day!

also, if we knew for a fact that chauncey raped that woman, then id be pissed that my team hired a rapist, cause in that case, i only imagine if that was my mother, sister or any other relative or a friend or a neighbour or a person i dont know at all, rape is just something thats wrong as it gets and everyone who does that, should face death penatly!

The problem I always have with this issue is that it's not a female issue. I was molested as a child and I can't tell you how many times so called feminists just completely blank on this issue. Some notable ones here have done it recently and I could call them out for it because it's blatant sexism. Some of the worst serial killers in the world target little boys for rape and torture. Recently, the most prolific serial sex offender in the world was arrested in England, and I believe all of his targets/victims were grown men. Sex with adolescent boys is common place in poor districts in mid-Asia such as Pakistan, India, and Afghanistan. In the documentary I watched, the perpetrators explained that boys aren't protected like females are in their culture. Of course, feminists speak of patriarchy and how it oppresses women, but in reality, all they do is obscure power differentials that potentially exist for all human beings because theirs is blatantly a primacy movement.

 

[James lamphear]

I don't know how good coach he will be but it bother me a little about his past if true or not. But if they vetted him and he wasn't the one then I will go with that. But the thing he learn don't put yourself in position where you can get the finger pointed at you. I am trying looking hard clippers running there offense and defense. Now offense to there nothing new that we don't already run. Everyone spread out and pick and roll or iso and the player that drive read defense for either shooting or passing. Hopefully Billups has something different. Now defense it's different then ours the center don't drop as much and they contest shots a lot. But I hold opinion when actually see how we play. Now Dame I don't fault him due he just threw a couple coaches out but didn't know there past it's not his job to do the hiring it's olshey job to do that. But hopefully everything was cover on Billups by this blazer management hopefully they cross there t's and dot there eyes because they didn't there be fire storm hit that place where they would never recover until they sell the team matter fact they probably wouldn't know choice but sell the team.

 

[Hoopguru]

I know we like to hate on Olshey... at least I do but this situation is pretty hard for him to have actually fucked up. He knows about 1997, the team spends a couple of days vetting that incident after they decide on Chauncey. The team sees the public outcry not to hire Chauncey but the team goes with him anyway, just like ESPN did and just like the Clippers did. There must be compelling information that clears Chauncey's name otherwise why would Disney, Steve Ballmer and the Paul Allen Trust all put their reputations on the line for this guy?

The wouldn't do it. It would have been so much easier to tell Mike D'Antoni to come on down but that's not what the team did. I have no information of my own that clears Chauncey Billups but common sense does go a long way in situations like this one.

well said. Ive followed round ball for decades and do recall when that happened and thought lets see what kind a person he is as he continues his career. To me and many of his peers it seems he has earned much respect and appreciated as a person.

 

[All Net]

I have no information of my own that clears Chauncey Billups but common sense does go a long way in situations like this one.

Hmm. I have a hard time seeing how common sense vindicates Billups. If all he did was get a voluntary blowjob from the woman, why did he need to reach a settlement with her? “Common sense” would say he’s trying to cover up something more than a blowjob.

 

[tykendo]

Hmm. I have a hard time seeing how common sense vindicates Billups. If all he did was get a voluntary blowjob from the woman, why did he need to reach a settlement with her? “Common sense” would say he’s trying to cover up something more than a blowjob.

Boston has a history of racism. Not saying PDX doesn't, but Boston's racist past was on hyperdrive. Not sure the judicial system there would have been very favorable back in the late '90s.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Hmm. I have a hard time seeing how common sense vindicates Billups. If all he did was get a voluntary blowjob from the woman, why did he need to reach a settlement with her? “Common sense” would say he’s trying to cover up something more than a blowjob.

Seriously? How long have you been on this earth? Are you really implying that only guilty people settle?

 

[Hoopguru]

Hmm. I have a hard time seeing how common sense vindicates Billups. If all he did was get a voluntary blowjob from the woman, why did he need to reach a settlement with her? “Common sense” would say he’s trying to cover up something more than a blowjob.

come on man...young millionaires & politicians, for decades, have been paying to keep things out of the press for agent suggested pr reasons, for consensual sex.
And if you were worth millions someone from your past may seek an opportunity to cash in for the once in a while past relationship.

 

[All Net]

come on man...young millionaires & politicians, for decades, have been paying to keep things out of the press for agent suggested pr reasons, for consensual sex.
And if you were worth millions someone from your past may seek an opportunity to cash in for the once in a while past relationship.

Yep, that’s possible. It’s also possible that Billups did a lot more than get a blowjob from her, and that’s why he paid the settlement.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Yep, that’s possible. It’s also possible that Billups did a lot more than get a blowjob from her.

Yep, there are a lot of things that are possible. But to list them all would not be fair to the woman.
Lets not go there

 

[All Net]

Seriously? How long have you been on this earth? Are you really implying that only guilty people settle?

Nope. I’m saying that sometimes people settle because they’re guilty.

 

[e_blazer]

Nope. I’m saying that sometimes people settle because they’re guilty.

You can infer what you want from that old settlement, but there's a reason that these things almost always come with a Non-Disclosure Agreement. People's reasons for settling are their own and all parties agreeing to the settlement are also agreeing to keep the reasons private.

 

[All Net]

You can infer what you want from that old settlement, but there's a reason that these things almost always come with a Non-Disclosure Agreement. People's reasons for settling are their own and all parties agreeing to the settlement are also agreeing to keep the reasons private.

Of course. And sometimes there are damning reasons why a player wants to keep things private.

 

[Hoopguru]

Yep, that’s possible. It’s also possible that Billups did a lot more than get a blowjob from her, and that’s why he paid the settlement.

Tie goes to the runner!

 

[Ripcity4life77]

I like the hire and in regards to Dame -- I believe Dame has prolly gone to NeO and said something to the effect of -- Giving it one more year but after that i am not sure

 

[riverman]

Hmm. I have a hard time seeing how common sense vindicates Billups. If all he did was get a voluntary blowjob from the woman, why did he need to reach a settlement with her? “Common sense” would say he’s trying to cover up something more than a blowjob.

you're clearly overthinking this for the purpose of reopening a closed case...people reach settlements with people to avoid public trials and giving even more money to lawyers...and sometimes they do it to spare the victim from reliving it over and over....you don't know, I don't know so let's not speculate about something that's long been resolved. It doesn't have to make sense to you or me....it's not our lives affected by it...only one person has the right to say she was manipulated into silence and she's not complaining...that should tell you something given how popular the #metoo movement is these days....Chauncey Billups is not Harvey Weinstein

 

[e_blazer]

Of course. And sometimes there are damning reasons why a player wants to keep things private.

Of course. But coming to the conclusion that a guy is guilty of rape based solely on the fact that he signed a settlement agreement is just damned stupid.

 

[BBert]

Hmm. I have a hard time seeing how common sense vindicates Billups. If all he did was get a voluntary blowjob from the woman, why did he need to reach a settlement with her? “Common sense” would say he’s trying to cover up something more than a blowjob.

Of the many factors to consider one possible factor is that rookie players have liability insurance and insurance company attorneys like to settle.