Exclusive Poll: What would your preferred United States firearm policy be?

[dviss1]

because it's you and it's an own taste of your medicine. It's the annoying shit you do all the time. If you are gonna address something, address all sides

Conflating my complaints about racism with your actual racism...

Typical.

 

[Natebishop3]

If you feel like you need a gun IMHO you're living in unreasonable fear.

Who's living in fear?

I like guns. They're fun to shoot. I don't do it very often. I got to go trap shooting for work. It was a blast (no pun intended). An AR-15 is also very fun to shoot. I don't own one anymore, but they're cheap to shoot and fun to take to a range with some buddies. I also know how to hunt. I don't really enjoy hunting, but it's a skill that's valuable. Let's say that big earthquake hits. The one they've been talking about forever. Estimates are that we won't get aid for possibly weeks. Bridges will be down, freeways destroyed, etc etc etc. I have the skills and tools to acquire food if need be.

I have a concealed handgun license. I never carry though. I like to be able to have a loaded gun in my car if I need it. It's all about options.

It's no different than having insurance. No different than stockpiling food and water in case something happens. It's not about fear. Most likely we will never see a major disaster in our lifetime. But it doesn't hurt to be ready for it. And if that disaster hits, what will happen to you? Are you ready?

 

[Cippy91]

Here's a third. Why be an idiot and say some shit like "brothers in the hood"?

Then you don't see it as racist...

Typical with those Damascus folk I guess.

I thought it was funny. That's all. That's not racist.

 

[Cippy91]

Okay thanks buddy. Gonna go get some brand new tiki torches today with my buddies today actually!!!

 

[Cippy91]

Conflating my complaints about racism with your actual racism...

Typical.

What actual racism? what did I say that was racist?

 

[Natebishop3]

Fair enough. Of course this was important to the founders. It's the second of the amendments after all.

That said, I am just of the belief that the Constitution is a living document and must be reinterpreted with changing times. Others, like Scalia, disagree. I am certain that when they spoke of the right to bear arms, they never imagined, or would want, children having the right to buy weapons of war.

Children can't. You have to be 18 to buy a rifle. You have to be 21 to buy a handgun. That's the law in every state.

 

[dviss1]

What actual racism? what did I say that was racist?

The fact that you don't know is telling.

 

[dviss1]

I thought it was funny. That's all. That's not racist.

Racism is funny to some people.

 

[andalusian]

I honestly do not think the issue is about type of fire-arms, but about registration, licensing and responsibility.

Something like the DMV / Car registration / Drivers license model would make sense to me.

Every fire-arm needs to be registered. One should pass a basic exam to own and use fire-arms, It is the responsibility of the owner for that fire-arm. If the fire-arm is used in a crime - it is the responsibility of the owner and he can be liable for damages. If the fire-arm is stolen / lost / whatever - it is the responsibility of the owner to report it - and assuming he is found at fault for the disappearance of the fire-arm from his care - he is not allowed to own another one for a period of time (to ensure he takes better care of it) and pays a fine.

Being caught with an un-registered fire-arm will be like driving an unregistered car - it's a violation.

Along with that, the capability of the fire-arm and the ability to own it / use it requires different levels of registration and licensing just as there are with driver licenses. I can not drive a Semi, but if I go get myself the right kind of license - I can.

It will clearly not solve anything, but it will assign better responsibility for fire-arms, promote some kind of basic understanding of how to use and care for the fire-arm - instead of allowing every idiot out there to just go buy fire-arms when it is not certain they know enough to take care of them and not pose a risk to innocent people.

 

[Natebishop3]

I honestly do not think the issue is about type of fire-arms, but about registration, licensing and responsibility.

Something like the DMV / Car registration / Drivers license model would make sense to me.

Every fire-arm needs to be registered. One should pass a basic exam to own and use fire-arms, It is the responsibility of the owner for that fire-arm. If the fire-arm is used in a crime - it is the responsibility of the owner and he can be liable for damages. If the fire-arm is stolen / lost / whatever - it is the responsibility of the owner to report it - and assuming he is found at fault for the disappearance of the fire-arm from his care - he is not allowed to own another one for a period of time (to ensure he takes better care of it) and pays a fine.

Being caught with an un-registered fire-arm will be like driving an unregistered car - it's a violation.

Along with that, the capability of the fire-arm and the ability to own it / use it requires different levels of registration and licensing just as there are with driver licenses. I can not drive a Semi, but if I go get myself the right kind of license - I can.

It will clearly not solve anything, but it will assign better responsibility for fire-arms, promote some kind of basic understanding of how to use and care for the fire-arm - instead of allowing every idiot out there to just go buy fire-arms when it is not certain they know enough to take care of them and not pose a risk to innocent people.

What you say makes sense. It's the logical thing to do.

One thing that I think needs to be pointed out though. The whole point of the 2nd amendment is to protect the American people from our own government. That would seem to be more important now than ever before. The militarization of our law enforcement. The complete disregard for the will of the people with things like the Patriot Act and Net Neutrality. Our government is for sale. Our representatives vote for the highest bidder. This is the gripe of most liberals. They see that Trump broke the law and nothing seems to be coming of it. We protest. We write letters. What comes of it? Nothing.

So.... if the whole point of the 2nd amendment is to provide us with protection from our own government, wouldn't giving the government a list of every single gun in this country be detrimental to that? A list of who, what, and where they can find every gun?

 

[andalusian]

So.... if the whole point of the 2nd amendment is to provide us with protection from our own government, wouldn't giving the government a list of every single gun in this country be detrimental to that? A list of who, what, and where they can find every gun?

I can see and understand the conundrum - but I can not honestly think of a better alternative. Maybe there is some way to create a firewall between the government branches that might want this data and the ones that access it - and at the end of the day, the guns are still in the hands of the people not the government - so in theory - they can revolt against the government with the actual guns in their hands?

 

[Nate]

I voted for only manually chambered rifles and shotguns because I keep them for predator problems...ranchers, farmers, hunters can all still kill an elk or a suffering horse or cougar without automatic weapons...if they can't, they need to go back to the shooting range...ultimately I'd like to see a world without the need for them...that's just wishful thinking at this point. I think handguns are an urban problem...I've never felt any need for one.

Fuck everyone else right?

 

[Nate]

Don't be racist. I don't have "boys in the hood"...

I thought that’s where you play basketball?

 

[bulls_with_booz]

Wouldn't do much besides close the gun show loophole raise the age to like 21 across the board and have definitive requirements background check wise so you don't get turned down because you said something bigoted on Facebook in a blue state.

 

[calvin natt]

Voting for the first one is insane. Like clinically insane.

 

[Natebishop3]

I can see and understand the conundrum - but I can not honestly think of a better alternative. Maybe there is some way to create a firewall between the government branches that might want this data and the ones that access it - and at the end of the day, the guns are still in the hands of the people not the government - so in theory - they can revolt against the government with the actual guns in their hands?

The problem that I see is that registering isn't even the issue.

Either guns are being legally purchased and then used in a shooting, in which case registering them wouldn't make a bit of difference.

Or they're being stolen from a friend or family member, in which case a registration wouldn't matter.

Do you know what might make a difference? It's a shitty thing, but we need to hold the owners responsible. If you have a kid, or a friend who lives with you, then your gun needs to be secured. Period. If it's not, and it's used in a crime, you face charges. That's not going to stop the people who can legally buy for themselves, but it should stop school shootings from happening. Or make it more difficult. If people are afraid of being held criminally responsible, and financially responsible, when a firearm is used in a crime, they will start to do a better job of locking them up.

 

[dviss1]

well this thread isn't about race so go create one. I mean all you do is bitch and complain and call everybody racists on this forum, if I am racist to you, awesome I don't really care but nothing I said was racist

You're right it's not. And it wasn't until you injected racism into it.

I wouldn't have any thing to say to you if you didn't:

Tell that to all your boys in the hood

Newsflash:

Not every "boy in the hood" who carries does so illegally.

Also, I'm sure they're not all "boys" and I certainly don't know all of them....

Lastly, You're a SlyPokerDogette

 

[andalusian]

Do you know what might make a difference? It's a shitty thing, but we need to hold the owners responsible. If you have a kid, or a friend who lives with you, then your gun needs to be secured. Period. If it's not, and it's used in a crime, you face charges. That's not going to stop the people who can legally buy for themselves, but it should stop school shootings from happening. Or make it more difficult. If people are afraid of being held criminally responsible, and financially responsible, when a firearm is used in a crime, they will start to do a better job of locking them up.

I am certain I wrote the exact same thing:

"If the fire-arm is used in a crime - it is the responsibility of the owner and he can be liable for damages."

I even gave some thoughts about what happens if the owner is responsible and reports the gun as stolen ...

I believe we are in agreement.

 

[dviss1]

What you say makes sense. It's the logical thing to do.

One thing that I think needs to be pointed out though. The whole point of the 2nd amendment is to protect the American people from our own government. That would seem to be more important now than ever before. The militarization of our law enforcement. The complete disregard for the will of the people with things like the Patriot Act and Net Neutrality. Our government is for sale. Our representatives vote for the highest bidder. This is the gripe of most liberals. They see that Trump broke the law and nothing seems to be coming of it. We protest. We write letters. What comes of it? Nothing.

So.... if the whole point of the 2nd amendment is to provide us with protection from our own government, wouldn't giving the government a list of every single gun in this country be detrimental to that? A list of who, what, and where they can find every gun?

Why do conservatives arm up for an imaginary war with the government but it's all "blue lives matter" when they're out here killing black folk?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Lastly, You're a SlyPokerDogette

C'mon man, you're better than this. I don't want to have to keep editing...

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Why do conservatives arm up for an imaginary war with the government but it's all "blue lives matter" when they're out here killing black folk?

You do know there are other governments that would find it difficult to round us all up in the unlikely event that they defeat our military don't you?

You know, those Russian computer geeks every lefty is afraid of?

 

[Cippy91]

Why do conservatives arm up for an imaginary war with the government but it's all "blue lives matter" when they're out here killing black folk?

what year are you in that you keep using the word folk? that offends me

 

[Cippy91]

Why do conservatives arm up for an imaginary war with the government but it's all "blue lives matter" when they're out here killing black folk?

An imaginary war with a government that spies on you and gathers data about you through everything. Right, nothing to look at here

 

[Cippy91]

You're right it's not. And it wasn't until you injected racism into it.

I wouldn't have any thing to say to you if you didn't:



Newsflash:

Not every "boy in the hood" who carries does so illegally.

Also, I'm sure they're not all "boys" and I certainly don't know all of them....

Lastly, You're a SlyPokerDogette

injected racism into it or the fact a lot of minorities in inner cities carry guns illegally and tend to kill each other at high rates? I mean is this not statistically right? do your research. As much as you wanna complain about the republicans with guns who "must be scared of something" when it comes to gun taking, gotta point out the other side too. Illegal guns bought and sold on the streets that result in a lot of black deaths. That's a whole different mental illness that involves gang culture.

 

[Cippy91]

You're right it's not. And it wasn't until you injected racism into it.

I wouldn't have any thing to say to you if you didn't:



Newsflash:

Not every "boy in the hood" who carries does so illegally.

Also, I'm sure they're not all "boys" and I certainly don't know all of them....

Lastly, You're a SlyPokerDogette

Lastly something to note. If you continue the rest of your life claiming everything is racist, nobody will want to have a serious discussion with you and the only people you will have to talk to are the like minded Portland progressive group that a majority of americans think are insane and rightfully so.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Is there an option to ban math symbols?

Idiocracy is becoming real before my own eyes


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[3RA1N1AC]

We should pry them out of your cold dead hands. After we kill you of course. With guns.

 

[MarAzul]

After we kill you of course.

Did that worm in your pocket get bigger?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Did that worm in your pocket get bigger?

You talking about my gear?

 

[MarAzul]

Not really, just wondering about the "we"?