Pope Francis says atheists can go to heaven

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I think you are nearly on to it Denny. Conscience is the human functions that many think makes man in the image of our creator. However, the morality code that the conscience uses in the referee process must be learned. That comes from the religion(s) dominate in the society of the child. The child does not acquire the code directly from religion but indirectly via his society where the code is passed from generation to generation via religion. We generally do not have difficulties with other societies with different religions as the morality code is close in most religions. Jews, Hindus, Buddhist, Christians Taoist and more, all quite compatible, perhaps even complementary for those that gather from more than one. So the atheist did not invent a secular morality, he just uses the one around him and I think, the Pope was speaking to this reality. No reason to reject the atheist at the pearly gate, if he has been walking the walk, following the conscience.

That conscience is not loaded the same though when the moral code is acquired from the teachings of Mohammad. Followers of all of the above listed religions including the atheist that only indirectly acquired the code, are lessor humans in the consciousness loaded with the code acquired from Mohammad. No other religion has the exclusionary prejudice like the concept of Infidel, to be abuse, used, sold, and ransomed, even cut his head off, no one will care.

Conscience is the voice in your head that tells you what actions are right or wrong. Non believers can have a sense of right and wrong that has nothing to do with some "creator." There was morality long before Christ, and certainly before the oldest religion.
 
Conscience is the voice in your head that tells you what actions are right or wrong. Non believers can have a sense of right and wrong that has nothing to do with some "creator." There was morality long before Christ, and certainly before the oldest religion.

Ha! Hard to swallow heh. So we are born with this right and wrong? Weird idea. We might as well give up all this teaching since the kid either has it or not. Might be a cannibal at heart or a Saint, luck of the draw. No Sir! This is bull shit, it is not the luck of the draw, kid learn if taught, or they are animals if not.
 
Ha! Hard to swallow heh. So we are born with this right and wrong? Weird idea. We might as well give up all this teaching since the kid either has it or not. Might be a cannibal at heart or a Saint, luck of the draw. No Sir! This is bull shit, it is not the luck of the draw, kid learn if taught, or they are animals if not.

We are born with some things, like fear of heights.

If you throw a rock at a bigger kid than you, you get a beating. That will teach you some morality. No creator necessary.
 
Heh? Men do the teaching, about morality and plethora of other things. Why did you mention the creator?



That would be a lesson alright, but hardly morality.

The morality is do unto others, learned by throwing a rock, or figuring out why you shouldn't. It's common sense, not so much anything to do with religious teachings.
 
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I think it's a reach on your part. He's saying to do what's right and you get in. Even us atheists.

As I said, morality is not necessarily a religious thing, but our morality as atheists (murder is bad, robbery is bad, etc.) overlaps religious morality. From the Pope's POV, obeying your conscience and having those sorts of values is enough in common with the religious aspects that you're given a free pass.

I don't see ISIS as listening to their conscience but rather deliberately contradicting it.

I would point out the Pope was careful to avoid making it about Christianity vs. Islam. His comments were directed to the Islamic State and mirror those of most (or all) the world's leaders.


+ Ah This pope is a smart one. He was a good Cardinals choice rather than the prior Nazi soldier pope. The Catholic church needs a super star and a total transparency of its finances and "bad priest" accounting for me to look twice. I was once Catholic but its structure is stiff and its mass is un imaginative. I would rather participate is a black baptist funeral (have done that and its freakin good).

Denny Crane knows whats good for you.
 
The morality is do unto others, learned by throwing a rock, or figuring out why you shouldn't. It's common sense, not so much anything to do with religious teachings.
But not everyone's inner voice guides them to the same morality. You say "robbery is bad", but some believe that greed is worse, and robbery of a greedy hoarder is right and moral. You say "murder is bad", but is it necessarily immoral to take one life of it saves ten? When moral relativism is the code of the day, there subsequently is no objective right or wrong.

As for this pope's decree, anyone who has read the book of Judges knows that the writer thereof repeatedly points to the Israelites "doing what was right in their own eyes" as a negative. But I guess this kind of thing is to be expected when a person is elevated to the status of the world's moral authority. It's only a matter of time before that person elevates himself above the God he claims to serve.
 
It should be noted that the Pope didn't say that atheists can't go to hell.

Given some of the posts by some of the heathens around here, I'd say that's a more likely outcome. ;)
 
It should be noted that the Pope didn't say that atheists can't go to hell.

Given some of the posts by some of the heathens around here, I'd say that's a more likely outcome. ;)
Nobody wants to go to Syria
 
Oh that's just wonderful! Speaking of another group of people the Catholic Church might want to get around too....



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My long standing belief: Believing in god is foolish, there is no evidence.

My amended belief: Believing in god is foolish, but who gives a shit, we are all fools anyway. Until your belief hinders science, learning or progress at least.
 

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