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Chris Craig said:
Hah

No, it means I'm open minded.

I can be ok with the things he says that I don't agree with. I'm not going to take it personally.

I agree with some of the things you have shared and disagree with others.

Human problems need human solutions.
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but not me. If i disagree or question, im short sighted, ignorant and support dehumanizing policies now apparently. :dunno:
 
BlazerBender said:
Lol. So would you consider name calling tough love? Think you posted something about that.

hypocrisy knows no bounds…
And passive aggressive statements like “im sorry that offends you” get you know where. You must come to the realization that you are not aiding in trying to change my mind to your beliefs with your communication style. It does the opposite.
Also thanks for clarifying your inability to differentiate fact from opinion. It solidifies even further, that its a waste of time talking politics with you.
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I'm sorry I've upset you. I'll try to be more kind in the future.
 
BlazerBender said:
Whats worse. The guy who questions things to dissect and clarify, or those who think they are always right and cant handle being questioned without resorting to belittling, name calling and passive aggressive behavior?
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No one is always right. Some people feel very righteous about their thoughts and beliefs. Some have valid reason to feel that way, some do not.

Some stick to logic and leave emotion out of it. Some use emotion. I know I do sometimes. I can get loud if I'm passionate about something.
 
Chris Craig said:
No one is always right. Some people feel very righteous about their thoughts and beliefs. Some have valid reason to feel that way, some do not.

Some stick to logic and leave emotion out of it. Some use emotion. I know I do sometimes. I can get loud if I'm passionate about something.
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100% agree

You and i dont always agree on everything but have never tossed out passive aggressive or insulting comments at each other. Like, im sorry ive upset you…

ill always have respect for your opinions whether i agree or not because if/ when i disagree you don't belittle me for it.

And i appreciate you helping to get this convo back on track too. :)
 
BlazerBender said:
I agree, but I'm not the one saying i will respond to everything and blah blah blah like someone else is. Ive actively told him i don't want to discuss politics with him. But he keeps coming back with passive aggressive behavior. Possibly trying to stir up drama?
Anyhow haters gonna hate.
Im all for discussing opposing opinions to try to better the situation about homeless. I'm not for hearing someone's proposal and being belittled because i might not agree with all of it.
Just ridiculous to think anyone would be cool with that.
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Then don't respond to it.

Phats is a good dude. Its hard for me to have conversations with him sometimes. He has his ideas, and he sticks with them no matter what. I can appreciate that. I just say what I need to say, I try to listen, and agree to disagree. Like gun control, we see things very differently but, agree on some things. It's a thorn discuss it. I'll admit, I bring a certain emotion into that one, that passionate part of me.

If a conversation hits a wall, if it becomes an argument....well I'll argue a bit lol, but I know when I need to just let it go, or come back to it, because it will come up again.
 
BlazerBender said:
100% agree

You and i dont always agree on everything but have never tossed out passive aggressive or insulting comments at each other. Like, im sorry ive upset you…

ill always have respect for your opinions whether i agree or not because if/ when i disagree you don't belittle me for it.

And i appreciate you helping to get this convo back on track too. :)
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Nobody is perfect.

I think he was trying to come back to the conversation, but you were upset. I didn't see the name-calling, Ill have to look back. But, you were offended still, so when he tried to ask you a question to further the conversation you decided not to answer it but get passive aggressive back.
 
Chris Craig said:
Then don't respond to it.

Phats is a good dude. Its hard for me to have conversations with him sometimes. He has his ideas, and he sticks with them no matter what. I can appreciate that. I just say what I need to say, I try to listen, and agree to disagree. Like gun control, we see things very differently but, agree on some things. It's a thorn discuss it. I'll admit, I bring a certain emotion into that one, that passionate part of me.

If a conversation hits a wall, if it becomes an argument....well I'll argue a bit lol, but I know when I need to just let it go, or come back to it, because it will come up again.
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I agree, but im not the one chasing the other around admittedly trying to debunk any post i disagree with.
 
Chris Craig said:
Nobody is perfect.

I think he was trying to come back to the conversation, but you were upset. I didn't see the name-calling, Ill have to look back. But, you were offended still, so when he tried to ask you a question to further the conversation you decided not to answer it but get passive aggressive back.
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ohh i fully admit one of my faults is to fight fire with fire, even if i know i should be using water.
But one can only take so much of the same pattern before the responses drop to the same level.
And im not the one who entered this thread telling others in it if they disagree with my proposals they are short sighted and ignorant.
I never said phats is a bad guy. I think he is a good guy. Means well. Anyone who is actively trying to solve a problem, i have respect for. but i expect that respect to be mutual in such a conversation.

Not once did i belittle him or anyone else until i was simply reciprocating that behavior back to the innitiators.

for now, ive had my fill of it, so to come back with a question without addressing previous belittling, is just more of the same to me. At least give it, me a little time to get over and move on from the insults. I almost always do. Just not in the heat of the moment.

Im just tired of watching some people point fingers at others without actually looking in the mirror and acknowledging their own behavior may not be productive. Belittling someone is not productive, doesn't change minds and generally takes a conversation down the tubes.

but instead of even attempting to acknowledge that, i get passive aggression. “Im sorry you feel that way”crap.
That shit pushes the buttons and passive aggressive people know this. Its drama bait.
 
BlazerBender said:
ohh i fully admit one of my faults is to fight fire with fire, even if i know i should be using water.
But one can only take so much of the same pattern before the responses drop to the same level.
And im not the one who entered this thread telling others in it if they disagree with my proposals they are short sighted and ignorant.
I never said phats is a bad guy. I think he is a good guy. Means well. Anyone who is actively trying to solve a problem, i have respect for. but i expect that respect to be mutual in such a conversation.

Not once did i belittle him or anyone else until i was simply reciprocating that behavior back to the innitiators.

for now, ive had my fill of it, so to come back with a question without addressing previous belittling, is just more of the same to me. At least give it, me a little time to get over and move on from the insults. I almost always do. Just not in the heat of the moment.

Im just tired of watching some people point fingers at others without actually looking in the mirror and acknowledging their own behavior may not be productive. Belittling someone is not productive, doesn't change minds and generally takes a conversation down the tubes.

but instead of even attempting to acknowledge that, i get passive aggression. “Im sorry you feel that way”crap.
That shit pushes the buttons and passive aggressive people know this. Its drama bait.
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Understood.
 
Chris Craig said:
I'm not talking about enabling. I believe tough love can be a good thing.

But, we have to approach this situation from a place of compassion. Not from a place of law and order your going to do this or else. It won't be very effective to do that.
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I dunno tough love was very effective for me growing up. I knew better than to not be out passed curfew for fear of the wooden paddle/ willow branch.
Not advocating for violence, but it was very effective in me not veering too far off the wanted path
 
BlazerBender said:
I dunno tough love was very effective for me growing up. I knew better than to not be out passed curfew for fear of the wooden paddle/ willow branch.
Not advocating for violence, but it was very effective in me not veering too far off the wanted path
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Sure. It worked in a way for me too as a kid. It kept me in line until it didn't. Using fear as a tool doesn't work as a governance. It creates distrust and pits authority vs everyone. Fear is how dictators and fascists lead. Fear is part of the reason we are where we are in this country currently.
 
Chris Craig said:
Sure. It worked in a way for me too as a kid. It kept me in line until it didn't. Using fear as a tool doesn't work as a governance. It creates distrust and pits authority vs everyone. Fear is how dictators and fascists lead. Fear is part of the reason we are where we are in this country currently.
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I think there is a difference between fear and known repercussions.
 
BlazerBender said:
I think there is a difference between fear and known repercussions.
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Between fear and consequences sure. Doesn't mean fear is a good tool to use, especially in governance.
 
Fear is not as effective as desire.

If somebody is doing something because they are afraid they will be punished they will do it just well enough to avoid being punished.

If somebody is doing something because they want to they will do it as well as they can possibly do it.

Huge difference.
 
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BlazerBender said:
I dunno tough love was very effective for me growing up. I knew better than to not be out passed curfew for fear of the wooden paddle/ willow branch.
Not advocating for violence, but it was very effective in me not veering too far off the wanted path
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And yet you ended up living on the streets for a short period, no? Doesn't seem like an effective form of parenting to me. Causation/correlation obviously comes in to effect in every situation. But having tough parents, and ending up in a situation nobody would ever want their child to end up in doesn't, to me, seem like an effective mode of parenting.

I don't know the circumstances of how you ended up homeless, I don't want to make rash judgements and what not. But a tough love parenting style that has a kid end up homeless doesn't seem like a good one to me. I don't care what lesson you learned along the way.
 
RR7 said:
And yet you ended up living on the streets for a short period, no? Doesn't seem like an effective form of parenting to me. Causation/correlation obviously comes in to effect in every situation. But having tough parents, and ending up in a situation nobody would ever want their child to end up in doesn't, to me, seem like an effective mode of parenting.

I don't know the circumstances of how you ended up homeless, I don't want to make rash judgements and what not. But a tough love parenting style that has a kid end up homeless doesn't seem like a good one to me. I don't care what lesson you learned along the way.
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Without knowing the details of my youth, you don't think its fairly presumptuous to just assume its poor parenting?
I was an honor roll student my senior year and won scholarships.
 
RR7 said:
And yet you ended up living on the streets for a short period, no? Doesn't seem like an effective form of parenting to me. Causation/correlation obviously comes in to effect in every situation. But having tough parents, and ending up in a situation nobody would ever want their child to end up in doesn't, to me, seem like an effective mode of parenting.

I don't know the circumstances of how you ended up homeless, I don't want to make rash judgements and what not. But a tough love parenting style that has a kid end up homeless doesn't seem like a good one to me. I don't care what lesson you learned along the way.
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My dad was a tough love guy and that's not the reason I ended up homeless.
 
My favorite form of punishment for our little boogers is taking away things they really enjoy. I’ve also learned never to give empty threats so there’s no gray area where they see what they can get away with. I’m just the step dad. Be disrespectful or a pain I snatch that PlayStation remote or cell phone so quick and lock it in my safe. It works well in my case.
 
MickZagger said:
My favorite form of punishment for our little boogers is taking away things they really enjoy. I’ve also learned never to give empty threats so there’s no gray area where they see what they can get away with. I’m just the step dad. Be disrespectful or a pain I snatch that PlayStation remote or cell phone so quick and lock it in my safe. It works well in my case.
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Yep. You have to follow through. You say you are taking something away you have to do it. You give them an opening and it's over.
 
Just another tax I'm paying that I see little benefit from.
 
tlongII said:
I'd rather not pay the tax if they're not going to do anything meaningful with it.
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Well, I understand that keeping your money seems better. But something obviously needs to be done. You can't do anything untill you allocate funds.

We have now done our part and allocated enough funds. If done right we could save far more than the funds we have approved and improve the living conditions everyone in the state.
 
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