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barfo said:
Misrepresenting the argument is wrong. Period. When someone is aggressively misrepresenting what someone says, I don't care what he is saying or how far from correct the victim is. Its wrong. Period.

No amount of additional misrepresentation will change my stance on this. However those that continue to try, I question their debate skills then.

barfo
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Oh my. So Gno misrepresents what Antifa says?

Again, Who cares? It doesnt validate violence.

If you agree, just say so. If you dont, you are wrong.
 
barfo said:
Well, that certainly clears it right up.



I don't either. Actually, I don't think he was there doing either one.



Right, he was just randomly chosen as a victim. It's the same as if a meteor had fallen on him while he was sleeping, right? Totally an act of god and/or antifa, both of which work in mysterious ways.



I don't agree with it because it's obviously not true. You'd have us believe that he was randomly chosen from the crowd for victimhood, and that it could not possibly have been a foreseeable outcome.

barfo
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Id have you believe he was random? How so? He is a noted figure and was picked out of the crowd because he writes articles that Antifa disagrees with?

So anyone who has been recognized as a non supporter should not show up to observe and report because violence may happen to them????

Oh my....

This is getting sillier and sillier that you are even debating this.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Oh my. So Gno misrepresents what Antifa says?

Again, Who cares? It doesnt validate violence.

If you agree, just say so. If you dont, you are wrong.
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Hah. You were the subject of that post, not Gno.

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
Id have you believe he was random? How so?
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Because you claim that he bears no responsibility at all for getting within punching distance.

He is a noted figure and was picked out of the crowd because he writes articles that Antifa disagrees with?
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That would be my guess. Although picked out of the crowd might be an exaggeration, he was probably in front of the crowd.

So anyone who has been recognized as a non supporter should not show up to observe and report because violence may happen to them????
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Is it smart to go places where you are highly likely to get punched? Is that something you'd do?

Oh my....

This is getting sillier and sillier that you are even debating this.
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Something is getting sillier and sillier here.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Because you claim that he bears no responsibility at all for getting within punching distance.



That would be my guess. Although picked out of the crowd might be an exaggeration, he was probably in front of the crowd.



Is it smart to go places where you are highly likely to get punched? Is that something you'd do?



Something is getting sillier and sillier here.

barfo
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So fights break out at sporting events. Should I then not go to any for fear of possibly being punched??? IM a big guy and I wear Blazers gear, so I could easily be singled out.

You are right. You are being sillier and sillier.
 
Two groups with the same ideology of hatred get together, a fight (almost naturally) ensues. Injured party: Mommy, mommy it was all their fault! :doh:
 
barfo said:
Because you claim that he bears no responsibility at all for getting within punching distance.



That would be my guess. Although picked out of the crowd might be an exaggeration, he was probably in front of the crowd.



Is it smart to go places where you are highly likely to get punched? Is that something you'd do?



Something is getting sillier and sillier here.

barfo
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I've got to agree with the sillier part. Without picking sides, you guys are getting nowhere with each other. Time to comment on something more productive.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Violence is wrong. Period. When someone else isn't being aggressive, I don't care what he is doing or how far from offender the victim is. Its wrong. Period.

No amount of debating will change my stance on this. However those that continue to try, I question their morality then.
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Really quick J....

Why don't you ever call out the Nazis?

I hear you talk shit (rightfully so) about Antifa but you don't say anything about the Right wing racists that are causing this shit.

I never hear anything about how Trump says there's good people on both sides...

NO THERE'S NOT... There are no good Nazis...

I don't see you ever admonishing the racists on the right... Why the focus on Antifa and not of the "Proud boys" or these MFs in Charlottesville running people over with cars?

I'm not trying to accuse you of anything, I'm just wondering why.

You explained to me one time about how somebody called the police to your home because you had brown people working there... Why is there no realization of why that happened? Why don't we understand that the right does some real racist shit?
 
dviss1 said:
Really quick J....

Why don't you ever call out the Nazis?

I hear you talk shit (rightfully so) about Antifa but you don't say anything about the Right wing racists that are causing this shit.

I never hear anything about how Trump says there's good people on both sides...

NO THERE'S NOT... There are no good Nazis...

I don't see you ever admonishing the racists on the right... Why the focus on Antifa and not of the "Proud boys" or these MFs in Charlottesville running people over with cars?

I'm not trying to accuse you of anything, I'm just wondering why.

You explained to me one time about how somebody called the police to your home because you had brown people working there... Why is there no realization of why that happened? Why don't we understand that the right does some real racist shit?
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If/when they make the news to get on my radar I would do the same thing.

Cant stand mask wearing KKK pussy wannabes cant show thier faces either? Fuck them.

However FROM WHAT IVE SEEN, when White supremists host a rally or march, regardless of their view points being highly suspect to equality amongst humans, they generally start out peaceful and it is protesters protesting them that innitiate conflict.


My opinion? The right is far more racist than the left. But the left is putting violence first to try to spread their ideals. They are also initiating violence on innocent bystanders at times and holding peoples lives and agendas up by stopping traffic, laying in front of cars and such. I have never seen the racist right do any of this.
Yes the right has a history of this (south east lynchings). but in recent times, the violence initiated that I have seen? has come from the left.


Now. My stance is its a persons right to be racist. Its their opinion and they are entitled to it. The moment you use violence to try to spread your opinion, you lose my support even if I agree with the agenda(which I do not agree with racism of any form)



By @barfo's statements, I can surmise he thinks that Blacks in the South were irresponsibly antagonizing the KKK by not moving away from them. And I just don't buy this "victims hold responsibility for acts of violence brought upon them" BS.
 
Orion Bailey said:
So fights break out at sporting events. Should I then not go to any for fear of possibly being punched??? IM a big guy and I wear Blazers gear, so I could easily be singled out.
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Lots of things might happen. A dump truck might fall into your swimming pool. A supermodel might want to sleep with you.

A rational person assesses the probabilities and acts accordingly. The possibility of Ngo being assaulted at an antifa event is much, much, much higher than you being assaulted for wearing blazers gear.

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
By @barfo's statements, I can surmise he thinks that Blacks in the South were irresponsibly antagonizing the KKK by not moving away from them. And I just don't buy this "victims hold responsibility for acts of violence brought upon them" BS.
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You could surmise that, but it would be incorrect to do so.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Lots of things might happen. A dump truck might fall into your swimming pool. A supermodel might want to sleep with you.

A rational person assesses the probabilities and acts accordingly. The possibility of Ngo being assaulted at an antifa event is much, much, much higher than you being assaulted for wearing blazers gear.

barfo
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So because there is a higher CHANCE of violence happening at certain events vs others, the higher probability items should be avoided?

So then please define a breakdown of percentages of what would be considered responsible vs irresponsible. And once you have done that, please provide an explanation as to why X percent is acceptable and Y percent is irresponsible?

So I have a higher percentage of dieing in a car accident vs flying. Should I then walk everywhere until I can afford my own private jet?


Your rationality on this is not rational man.

Violence is violence. Regardless of whether GNO took a risk or not. Living life is taking risks. Sounds like you want everyone to live in a bubble.
 
barfo said:
You could surmise that, but it would be incorrect to do so.

barfo
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Your analogies are the same/or on a parallel line, so until you do a better job of explaining what you are even trying to debate regarding violence not being acceptable to non aggressors, this is who you read.

YOU are the one who claimed GNO hold some responsibility.

He does. For showing up. Not for being assaulted.


I mean really. Antifa... Claims to be sticking up for the minority. Yet they assault a minority rather than peacefully attempt to debate with him ( Antifa actually peaceably debate? that's a joke in its own right) and you say he should hold some responsibility for that.

Sorry. His agenda is to document the activities of Antifa because he disagrees with him.

So then any reporter heading out to a site where they disagree with the happenings should not go and do their job? or just GNO, because...............
 
All I say if the Nazi White supremacist or Antifa/anarchist come to my neighbor hood and spread their hate and hurt anyone they will be run out of our community Police or now police involvement.
But Ill tell you right now, Most Oregon Mayors wouldn't stand for what Portland's has stood for. What a Winnie!
 
Orion Bailey said:
So because there is a higher CHANCE of violence happening at certain events vs others, the higher probability items should be avoided?
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Well, obviously. You don't jump off of high buildings without a chute, do you? Even though there is some chance you'd live (people have), you correctly assess that it's not worth the risk. [Although, if you argue with me long enough, you may reconsider that decision.]

So then please define a breakdown of percentages of what would be considered responsible vs irresponsible. And once you have done that, please provide an explanation as to why X percent is acceptable and Y percent is irresponsible?

So I have a higher percentage of dieing in a car accident vs flying. Should I then walk everywhere until I can afford my own private jet?
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If that's your personal assessment of the the risk/reward tradeoff, sure.


Your rationality on this is not rational man.

Violence is violence. Regardless of whether GNO took a risk or not. Living life is taking risks. Sounds like you want everyone to live in a bubble.
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Everybody takes risks, including me. Hopefully the reward is worth the risk. I think it was for Ngo, because he saw a significant upside to getting beat up that most of us wouldn't.

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
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Your analogies are the same/or on a parallel line, so until you do a better job of explaining what you are even trying to debate regarding violence not being acceptable to non aggressors, this is who you read.

YOU are the one who claimed GNO hold some responsibility.

He does. For showing up. Not for being assaulted.
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Hey, you finally get it. He bears responsibility for HIS actions. Not for anyone else's.

I mean really. Antifa... Claims to be sticking up for the minority. Yet they assault a minority rather than peacefully attempt to debate with him ( Antifa actually peaceably debate? that's a joke in its own right) and you say he should hold some responsibility for that.
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Oops, I guess you didn't get it after all. Oh well.

Sorry. His agenda is to document the activities of Antifa because he disagrees with him.

So then any reporter heading out to a site where they disagree with the happenings should not go and do their job? or just GNO, because...............
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I've pointed out several times that other reporters there did not get beat up. You don't seem to understand why that is.

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
@barfo @dviss1

Id be interested in continuing this over a beer or something sometime, but I get to bring a conservative fourth for back up. :)
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Sure, I imagine that Joey Gibson is available to support your position.

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
So because there is a higher CHANCE of violence happening at certain events vs others, the higher probability items should be avoided?

So then please define a breakdown of percentages of what would be considered responsible vs irresponsible. And once you have done that, please provide an explanation as to why X percent is acceptable and Y percent is irresponsible?

So I have a higher percentage of dieing in a car accident vs flying. Should I then walk everywhere until I can afford my own private jet?


Your rationality on this is not rational man.

Violence is violence. Regardless of whether GNO took a risk or not. Living life is taking risks. Sounds like you want everyone to live in a bubble.
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Yes, but let common sense tell you what events are going to be dangerously violent. I'm not going to stand on the precipice of a violent volcano whereas I feel somewhat safe looking down from the observation deck of the Empire State Building.
 
Orion Bailey said:
However FROM WHAT IVE SEEN, when White supremists host a rally or march, regardless of their view points being highly suspect to equality amongst humans, they generally start out peaceful and it is protesters protesting them that innitiate conflict.
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You gotta be kidding me...

Here's what is bullshi.... The KKK and NAZIS have a history of doing what????

Rounding MFs up and KILLING THEM... Literally killing them by the millions...

From what you've seen they start out peaceful???

Was the KKK peaceful when they were burning crosses and lynching people??

See here's what I don't understand. The entire history of the KKK and the Nazis has been violent. NEVER non violent.

Now, FUCK Antifa. I've never been a part of them and frankly, IMO they're some dumbass white boys who need their goddamn ass whooped. They don't represent the left AT ALL.

But to act like the ENTIRE history of the KKK and Nazi movement hasn't been violent is just.... man... bro... Really???
 
barfo said:
Hey, you finally get it. He bears responsibility for HIS actions. Not for anyone else's.



Oops, I guess you didn't get it after all. Oh well.



I've pointed out several times that other reporters there did not get beat up. You don't seem to understand why that is.

barfo
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First. Please point out other conservative reporters that where there?

barfo said:
Sure, I imagine that Joey Gibson is available to support your position.

barfo
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I dont know who that is.
 
Orion Bailey said:
@barfo @dviss1

Id be interested in continuing this over a beer or something sometime, but I get to bring a conservative fourth for back up. :)
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I'd be willing to discuss the value of a mechanical pencil over a wooden one if significant beer were involved.
I'd say going into a biker tavern and yelling in a loud voice "Bikers are pussies" would be dangerous and best avoided. Likewise, attending a Klan gathering and pulling my hood off to reveal I was black would seem a good idea not to do.
 
dviss1 said:
You gotta be kidding me...

Here's what is bullshi.... The KKK and NAZIS have a history of doing what????

Rounding MFs up and KILLING THEM... Literally killing them by the millions...

From what you've seen they start out peaceful???

Was the KKK peaceful when they were burning crosses and lynching people??

See here's what I don't understand. The entire history of the KKK and the Nazis has been violent. NEVER non violent.

Now, FUCK Antifa. I've never been a part of them and frankly, IMO they're some dumbass white boys who need their goddamn ass whooped. They don't represent the left AT ALL.

But to act like the ENTIRE history of the KKK and Nazi movement hasn't been violent is just.... man... bro... Really???
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Absolutely, and I'll say it, mother fucking, right. How could anyone not know this?
 
dviss1 said:
You gotta be kidding me...

Here's what is bullshi.... The KKK and NAZIS have a history of doing what????

Rounding MFs up and KILLING THEM... Literally killing them by the millions...

From what you've seen they start out peaceful???

Was the KKK peaceful when they were burning crosses and lynching people??

See here's what I don't understand. The entire history of the KKK and the Nazis has been violent. NEVER non violent.

Now, FUCK Antifa. I've never been a part of them and frankly, IMO they're some dumbass white boys who need their goddamn ass whooped. They don't represent the left AT ALL.

But to act like the ENTIRE history of the KKK and Nazi movement hasn't been violent is just.... man... bro... Really???
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You are comparing history to current events.

I mentioned the history of the south. We are discussing current events. What videos have you seen of White supremist ralleys where htye instigate violence?

You are4 mixing two things up that are separate.
Ralleys/protests vs the hateful actions of racist people.


How do you get I act like the HISTORY of the KKK hasnt been violent when I said this....."Yes the right has a history of this (south east lynchings). but in recent times, the violence initiated that I have seen? has come from the left."

Im all for debating, but you completely twisted my words man.
 
dviss1 said:
I'd bet some of your police force is Nazi.

#notjoking
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Could very well be and if so I hope they get rooted out and fired.
The sad reality imo, is this Country has to many white supremacist, bigots, racist, commie pinkos, anarchist brown shirts that want to be the law and order and many other groups.
I realize as a percentage it may be small but they are all cancer to our youth and society. When any of them get out of line, break the law, hurt people, they must be dealt with and swiftly.
If its possible you gut the cancer out before it spreads and metastasize's.
#forreal
 
Lanny said:
Agreed, but it's what you left out.
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Come to think of it, it had to do with your point about the far Right wanting to discuss rather than fight.
 
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