Politics Portland Antifa attacks, sends journalist to the hospital

[Hoopguru]

Could very well be and if so I hope they get rooted out and fired.
The sad reality imo, is this Country has to many white supremacist, bigots, racist, commie pinkos, anarchist brown shirts that want to be the law and order and many other groups.
I realize as a percentage it may be small but they are all cancer to our youth and society. When any of them get out of line, break the law, hurt people, they must be dealt with and swiftly.
If its possible you gut the cancer out before it spreads and metastasize's.
#forreal

and gangs of all types...they as bad

 

[Hoopguru]

Lanny, remember in HS days when there were rumbles between schools?
There was always a lot of talk going around then small & fat dudes would show up with chains and tire irons. Then nothing happened, mostly
lol

 

[Orion Bailey]

The Nazis JUST DID Charlottesville.... That was less than a year ago.

Hate crimes have increased for a 3rd year in a row

#facts

Hate crimes are UP 81% on transgenders.

This ain't Antifa, this is racist white people who for some reason aren't considered terrorists...

You have a saying that I also have:

Own your shit.

Racist white people need to own their shit. They're WST.

White Supremacist Terrorists.

Sorry, I should have quoted locally or regionally. Because in all honesty that is the bulk of the news I pay attention to. I can’t change things back east so I really don’t put much effort into the details of what goes on. The older I get the more I’m starting to think that the only governing that ever really matters is local government because that’s where you can actually have a voice and get some things done. So I have really tried to focus more on a local level Denny national or global level.

 

[Lanny]

The Nazis JUST DID Charlottesville.... That was less than a year ago.

Hate crimes have increased for a 3rd year in a row

#facts

Hate crimes are UP 81% on transgenders.

This ain't Antifa, this is racist white people who for some reason aren't considered terrorists...

You have a saying that I also have:

Own your shit.

Racist white people need to own their shit. They're WST.

White Supremacist Terrorists.

This is a fact and cannot be denied.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Agreed, but it's what you left out.

Come to think of it, it had to do with your point about the far Right wanting to discuss rather than fight.

Agreed, but it's what you left out.

Come to think of it, it had to do with your point about the far Right wanting to discuss rather than fight.

What exactly did I leave it out? I noted that the KKK and white supremacist or his stork Lee violent. But like I said as far as I know, and from what I have seen, by and large, not always, the rate has been putting on peaceful demonstrations of which antifa shows up in instigates violence.

 

[Lanny]

Lanny, remember in HS days when there were rumbles between schools?
There was always a lot of talk going around then small & fat dudes would show up with chains and tire irons. Then nothing happened, mostly
lol

Sorry, that kind of stuff never happened in Oswego/Lake Oswego or Lincoln High School, the two places I hung out. Jeez, you must have gone to a rough high school.

 

[Lanny]

What exactly did I leave it out? I noted that the KKK and white supremacist or his stork Lee violent. But like I said as far as I know, and from what I have seen, by and large, not always, the rate has been putting on peaceful demonstrations of which antifa shows up in instigates violence.

You left out the part where far Right demonstrators had more history of violence by far than ANTIFA. Not that I condone violence from Antifa. I'm just trying to put things in perspective.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You left out the part where far Right demonstrators had more history of violence by far than ANTIFA. Not that I condone violence from Antifa. I'm just trying to put things in perspective.

Only because i thought we were speaking of events with gno involved and that timeline?

Of course nazis have a longer and bloodier history.

If anything Antifa should be looking at that and try to do the opposite. You cant condemn an act by partaking in the act itself unless its true self defense.

 

[dviss1]

Sorry, I should have quoted locally or regionally. Because in all honesty that is the bulk of the news I pay attention to. I can’t change things back east so I really don’t put much effort into the details of what goes on. The older I get the more I’m starting to think that the only governing that ever really matters is local government because that’s where you can actually have a voice and get some things done. So I have really tried to focus more on a local level Denny national or global level.

It's not just back East, it's the entire country. And BOY it sure would be nice to not have to "put much effort into the details"... That must be a privilege. It's in Oregon too. You really didn't hear about the TRUMPET that killed those brave men on the MAX? You didn't hear about the RACIST pieces of shit that ran down that black kid at the 7-11 in Gresham?

This is just last year in our own city...

They are killing black people in MY CITY... I am forced to put effort into the details..

And you couldn't be more wrong with saying only local government matters.

Right now we have a racist president who has created a climate of hate and allowed the racism that was bubbling up to boil over.

That was a national vote.

 

[barfo]

First. Please point out other conservative reporters that where there?

I can't, because they didn't make the story all about themselves, unlike your buddy Ngo. For some reason, all the other reporters (and would-be reporters) reported, instead of participating.

I dont know who that is.

Seems like you should, if this is a subject you are interested in.

barfo

 

[Hoopguru]

Sorry, that kind of stuff never happened in Oswego/Lake Oswego or Lincoln High School, the two places I hung out. Jeez, you must have gone to a rough high school.

West Linn & Lakeridge

 

[Orion Bailey]

It's not just back East, it's the entire country. And BOY it sure would be nice to not have to "put much effort into the details"... That must be a privilege. It's in Oregon too. You really didn't hear about the TRUMPET that killed those brave men on the MAX? You didn't hear about the RACIST pieces of shit that ran down that black kid at the 7-11 in Gresham?

This is just last year in our own city...

They are killing black people in MY CITY... I am forced to put effort into the details..

And you couldn't be more wrong with saying only local government matters.

Right now we have a racist president who has created a climate of hate and allowed the racism that was bubbling up to boil over.

That was a national vote.

I can't, because they didn't make the story all about themselves, unlike your buddy Ngo. For some reason, all the other reporters (and would-be reporters) reported, instead of participating.



Seems like you should, if this is a subject you are interested in.

barfo

I know who joey gibson is, but i dont know who he is. Get it? Ive never conversed with him, so no. i wouldn't want him there because i dont know him

Oh i get it, and im a bit ignorant as to the history of white supremacy post 60’s, as it seems to have split into many different facets and ideals. All still the same but tweaked a bit i suppose.

Believe it or not, to me we are arguing semantics and agree on the bigger picture.

Im just saying i don't fault Gno in the least for trying to get out there and make more people aware of what is going on in our town.

D, you proved my point. I didnt vote for our current president. However, there he sits.

Im paying more attention to whats going into our local waters and expanded zoning for high density res and industrial parks. Keep in mind im in Canby now. I feel i can actually make a difference at the local level and am putting more energy into that.


Im saying two wrong dont make a right. The focus shouldn't be on Gno because he put himself in that position. The focus should be on those who cant be civil and initiate violence on non aggressors simply because they don't like what they say.

The thing is, ive been condemning white superiority my whole life. Its senseless.
But it has been around my whole life and ive seen improvements. The goal is obviously not reached, but the path has been a fairly productive one sonce the civil rights movement. Yes with ups and down, like anything long term, but i believe we are improving regardless of our sitting president.

I Dont think Antifa realizes that they are actually bringing a hault to this and forcing us to step backwards by using Trump as an excuse to break the law and assault innocent people.
They are feeding into what the white supremists want. It gives them an excuse to strike back now.
Violent demonstrations of ones ideals never gain support and almost always help to solidify and expand their adversaries.

I know there is a big picture problem with racism, but i can only control my surroundings and my locality.

So i focus more on local happenings.
D, yes i heard about both of those incidents and they were vocally viscerated. Nobody said to the victims, “well when you are on a busy max, there is a higher percentage of being assaulted, so you are part responsible for the violence that came upon you. “
See how ridiculous that sounds????

Thats all I've been saying.

 

[dviss1]

D, you proved my point. I didnt vote for our current president. However, there he sits.

So many in here did vote for him. Again, it was a national vote and national politics matters just as much as local. This is my point.

 

[dviss1]

but i believe we are improving regardless of our sitting president.

As one who experiences different levels of racism daily, I can assure you we are not.

 

[Orion Bailey]

So many in here did vote for him. Again, it was a national vote and national politics matters just as much as local. This is my point.

Sure. But my point is im not other people. Lol.

I still vote on federal things, but thats all you can do. Study and vote. There is no direct, first person back and forth like what can be had at city council meetings and local government.
I can meet local townsfolk and influence their opinion on an upcoming election topic through debate and actually have it make a difference.
I cant do that on a national level. Nor do i want to. Lol.

 

[Orion Bailey]

As one who experiences different levels of racism daily, I can assure you we are not.

Have you lived outside of oregon?
Having been someone who has lived in most parts of the country, including the east, i assure you we have. As devastating as the event was, 911 alone was a huge bump in the right direction with regards to Americans Uniting regardless of race.
I saw it first hand living in NY during that time.

Like i said. All things that are a long term process and has waves and I'm not saying we aren't on the low end of a wave at the moment, but race relations have improved and i think, will continue to improve as the old racist farts die off and the young are educated by more than just their parents hatred via social media and news outlets.

To me racial inequality is a global issue, that can only be resolved within individual households. Bigotry is most often learned through parents.

If you ask me, THIS should be the topic of debate. How do we hault the implementation of racial hatred from parent to child without infringing on the rights of the family?

Until we figure this out? Its all just reactionary

 

[dviss1]

Have you lived outside of oregon?
Having been someone who has lived in most parts of the country, including the east, i assure you we have. As devastating as the event was, 911 alone was a huge bump in the right direction with regards to Americans Uniting regardless of race.
I saw it first hand living in NY during that time.

Like i said. All things that are a long term process and has waves and I'm not saying we aren't on the low end of a wave at the moment, but race relations have improved and i think, will continue to improve as the old racist farts die off and the young are educated by more than just their parents hatred via social media and news outlets.

To me racial inequality is a global issue, that can only be resolved within individual households. Bigotry is most often learned through parents.

If you ask me, THIS should be the topic of debate. How do we hault the implementation of racial hatred from parent to child without infringing on the rights of the family?

Until we figure this out? Its all just reactionary

Haven't lived but I've been many places. I used to tour remember?

Got called the N in CLE when I smiled at an old white lady in the mall. I experienced racism at the ATL Airport. Don't even get me to talking about Vegas or SLC. In Idaho, the power went out at the mall and only the black people (myself and he people I was with) were arbitrarily kicked out. I had $1000 dollars in my pocket at the time.

Houston is lovely though. Lots of diversity. Didn't experience an iota of racism even though TX is the most racist state in the union.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Oh. Btw.

Check this out.

Bout fucking time!!!!!


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[dviss1]

To me racial inequality is a global issue, that can only be resolved within individual households. Bigotry is most often learned through parents.

Stop with this J. This is clear bullshit.

I don't live in any other country but America and we're talking good ol' homegrown AMERICAN racism.

Our country is WROUGHT with it. It is systematic and CANNOT only be quelled from within the home.

How can me raising my son to treat others equally save me from being denied housing because I'm black?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Haven't lived but I've been many places. I used to tour remember?

Got called the N in CLE when I smiled at an old white lady in the mall. I experienced racism at the ATL Airport. Don't even get me to talking about Vegas or SLC. In Idaho, the power went out at the mall and only the black people (myself and he people I was with) were arbitrarily kicked out. I had $1000 dollars in my pocket at the time.

Houston is lovely though. Lots of diversity. Didn't experience an iota of racism even though TX is the most racist state in the union.

Sure, but D dont take this wrong, but you are Black. Racist folk will seek you out.

What im saying is growing up id listen and hear alot more racist comments from white peers than i do these days. I understand there are certain aspects that i cant comprehend on your side, but i believe this i can.

I believe the percentage of racist biggeted people is going down.

I think it shows in many facets of our culture, work force, government law, many things.

See in your instance, duplicate it 30 years ago.

You might still have one guy call you an N for smiling at the lady, but there might have been three or four more per ten people in that room also racist.

The action is the same and the result the same, but what you don't know is how many other people around that guy is also racist. I believe thst number is less than it used to be.

I have to go. Rehearsal. Nit dogging out of the discussion.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Stop with this J. This is clear bullshit.

I don't live in any other country but America and we're talking good ol' homegrown AMERICAN racism.

Our country is WROUGHT with it. It is systematic and CANNOT only be quelled from within the home.

How can me raising my son to treat others equally save me from being denied housing because I'm black?

Sure but you want to talk history. Do you think racism originated in America?

Do you disagree that it is passed down from parents snd that is the core we should absolve to stop racism from continuing?

 

[Mediocre Man]

I fully expect Ngo to file suit against the City of Portland, the Police Department and the Mayor.

Hope he wins.

Time to put some bullets in people

 

[Lanny]

West Linn & Lakeridge

Lakeridge? I live across the street and those guys are as docile as I've ever seen. They're even bad in sports. Last year they had perhaps the best year in football they've ever had and they were average in their league winning about half their games. I never see them on a practice field (they have five big ones not counting the building housing their swimming pool) on days where the weather isn't damn near perfect. If it goes below 55 or if there's a slightest bit of rain the fields are empty. Hardly a physical bunch.
My niece and her family used to live in the West Linn district. Sent her kids to OES, though. The kids there, according to my great nephew, were really nice.
I'm shocked to hear about threatened violence at either school.

 

[Lanny]

Hope he wins.

Time to put some bullets in people

Say, what? Bullets? What the hell are you advocating with "Time to put some bullets in people"?

 

[Lanny]

Oh. Btw.

Check this out.

Bout fucking time!!!!!


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An attractive idea until you consider all the Constitutional questions involved. Not sure about this one.

 

[Lanny]

Sure but you want to talk history. Do you think racism originated in America?

Do you disagree that it is passed down from parents snd that is the core we should absolve to stop racism from continuing?

What's that got to do with the morality of the extreme danger of continuing the violence and counter violence.

 

[Orion Bailey]

What's that got to do with the morality of the extreme danger of continuing the violence and counter violence.

Everything lanny.

Like everything, the best way to stop something from continuing is to stop it at its source. Do you think that is done by simply reacting and arresting violent offenders, or does it start by educating the young properly, before they are warped into racial hatred?

Racial hatred is by and large passed down hereditarily. That is where we need to try to stop it from growing/spreading.

 

[Orion Bailey]

An attractive idea until you consider all the Constitutional questions involved. Not sure about this one.

Yeah not easy, but maybe something like a national emergency thing can override?

Whatever the case, the masks have to go.

 

[Lanny]

Yeah not easy, but maybe something like a national emergency thing can override?

Whatever the case, the masks have to go.

There may be instances where some sort of facial covering is important. Perhaps Muslim women? In that case there will probably be some sticky Constitutional issues.

 

[Orion Bailey]

There may be instances where some sort of facial covering is important. Perhaps Muslim women? In that case there will probably be some sticky Constitutional issues.

Good morning Lanny.

Agreed. But then when are they protesting?

I don't disagree its sticky and tricky, but i absolutely think we need to write something up.
First of all permits are legally required but often not acquired for antifa.

“No facial covering will be admitted during any legal gathering, rally or protest.”

Not saying muslim women cant cover their face. Im saying they cant cover their face at the event is all. If they cant abide, then they shouldn't attend.