Portland & Cleveland Swapping Draft Picks?

[BLAZER PROPHET]

http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/a...d_and_cleveland_swapping_draft_picks/10980767

Myself, I don't like it. The #24 pick is worthless.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Stupid.

 

[Blazinaway]

It's garbage guys, anything we hear at this time is strictly in the BS/smokescreen and/or writers just throwing out crap so their readers have something to read. We here could put out stuff and it would have just as good a chance of playing out.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Unless we really covet Drummond and don't want Lillard, I can't see what we'd make this trade.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Teams know that Portland has a policy of not commenting on trade rumors so if they want to drive up the price on something they want to do, they mention Portland.

 

[RR7]

I like the replies:

kj says:
picks 6,10,11,2
swap 4 and 24 to blazers for 6 and 11. trade with hornets get 10 pick,ariza,okafor for cavs 2013 first and second, walton giving them cap relief. trade varejae and tristian thompson to bobcats for pick 2. draft pf thomas robinson,sf harrison barnes,sg austin rivers,c andre drummond in first round with picks 2,6,10,11. pick in second round, sg/sf will barton and pg tony wroten.
out line of trades can add picks our future picks,picks we got from lakers,kings,magic,miami,and take on salary to make trades happen.



Marley Hatchet says:
June 10, 2012 at 10:04 pm
You’re either delusional or stupid

 

[RW#30]

I would mae that trade.. Then go and buy another pick in the first round and trade up again. Would cost us $3 million and get 2 lottory picks. If we could buy a 15-20 pick and move back up to the lottory, I would take that offer.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I would mae that trade.. Then go and buy another pick in the first round and trade up again. Would cost us $3 million and get 2 lottory picks. If we could buy a 15-20 pick and move back up to the lottory, I would take that offer.

That gets tougher to do.

For me, I'll stay as is unless we can garner our #11 pick for a current NBA player.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

In Olshey I Trust!

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

In Olshey I Trust!

Who let you in here?

 

[Reep]

I'm not sure this one will happen. If you believe the Blazers list of who they like that was published (MKG, Lillard, Leonard, Barnes) that doesn't get them there. Keeping the picks likely does. Moving those picks for 2 makes more sense and is probably more balanced, if you really want Robinson or MKG.

A lot of these trades are conditional for draft day too, right? If player ___ is available at 4, then we will make the trade with you.

I like the idea of keeping the picks, but if they have a guy they really want and are certain would be available at 4 then go for it.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Lowers our cap hold 250k, if noting else?

 

[craigehlo]

If they move to 2, it's for Robinson. He's the 2nd coming of Blake Griffin and that seemed to work well for Olshey.

 

[illmatic99]

.... Portland has a policy of not commenting on trade rumors...

I wouldn't be so sure of that. KP was the master of the smokescreen. And Chad had to have picked up some of that from him, and I bet he wouldn't be averse to still use that strategy now.

 

[Blaze01]

I think all that is going on are discussions at this point and this could be one of many possibilities for POR...

 

[RR7]

I think all that is going on are discussions at this point and this could be one of many possibilities for POR...

Agreed. I have a hard time thinking any sort of deal would happen early on. Need to figure out who could be there, who will be gone, who might be there at 24, etc.

 

[Blazinaway]

I think all that is going on are discussions at this point and this could be one of many possibilities for POR...

exactly and even agreed upon potential deals for pick swapping can be invalidated during the draft if players wanted are drafted by other teams before those selections take place

 

[BrianFromWA]

#4 guarantees you one one Beal, Robinson, or MKG. At 6, you're probably not getting any of those 3 and are in in Barnes/Drummond/Lillard range. Some might think that's worth swapping from 11 to 24.

 

[Reep]

If they move to 2, it's for Robinson. He's the 2nd coming of Blake Griffin and that seemed to work well for Olshey.

Pretty high expectations. His numbers don't support that. Pace adjusted in college Griffin scored almost twice as many points, went to the line four more times and outrebounded him by 3. Robinson may be a good player, and may end up being a more complete player, but he isn't Blake Griffin.

 

[illmatic99]

If we move up, I want it to be to #2 so that we definitely get OUR guy. Still too much uncertainty with #4.

 

[RedHotRollin]

This was probably thrown out there by Cleveland to give teams like Portland ideas. They would probably do this. Not sure why Portland would think about doing this. The difference between the player at 11 and 24 is and can be pretty significant. I might do this for the 2nd pick and the 24. But not the 4th.

 

[RR7]

twice as many? Are you using robinson's college career? Or comparing last seasons? Last season, Robinson was at 22, adjusted per 40, Blake I believe 27. With more touches. not double the scoring. Hard to compare career when Robinson played alongside the morris brothers his first 2 years.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Pretty high expectations. His numbers don't support that. Pace adjusted in college Griffin scored almost twice as many points, went to the line four more times and outrebounded him by 3. Robinson may be a good player, and may end up being a more complete player, but he isn't Blake Griffin.

Look, I like Robinson and think he's going to be a very good PF, but let's not forget that 15 months ago he wasn't able to take playing time from the Morris twins. This isn't Blake Griffin.

EDIT: RR7 got in first while I was checking stats.

 

[craigehlo]

Robinson could even be a more complete player as a rookie than Griffin IMHO. He's got a better post game and more polished outside jumper. Blake is a better dunker, but TRob's vertical is no joke either.

 

[Blaze01]

Someone had mentioned a Matthews & #11 to CHA for Thomas and #2....

Matthews makes 6.5 - 6.9 - 7.2
Thomas makes 8.0 - 8.7 - 9.4

and POR still would have #6, I would do a deal like that....Take Robinson @ #2 or whomever they are really high on (Beal\MKG\Drummond). I'd have to play out the scenarios of what WAS\CLE\SAC wuld do depending on who (Beal\T-Rob\MKG\Drummond) you took, b\c there is a good chance that one of those guys (or Barnes) could drop to you at #6.

Getting 2 of T-Rob\Beal\MKG\Barnes or Drummond, I think would be a heck of a haul and worth the cost of absorbing the extra $1-2mil\year of Thomas....

 

[craigehlo]

15 months ago he wasn't able to take playing time from the Morris twins

The Morris twins were drafted 13th and 14th in the NBA Draft. Not exactly scrubs. When TRob got his chance his chance he didn't disappoint. He was the last unanimous-voted All-American forward since Blake Griffin as well.

 

[illmatic99]

Someone had mentioned a Matthews & #11 to CHA for Thomas and #2....

Matthews makes 6.5 - 6.9 - 7.2
Thomas makes 8.0 - 8.7 - 9.4

and POR still would have #6, I would do a deal like that....Take Robinson @ #2 or whomever they are really high on (Beal\MKG\Drummond). I'd have to play out the scenarios of what WAS\CLE\SAC wuld do depending on who (Beal\T-Rob\MKG\Drummond) you took, b\c there is a good chance that one of those guys (or Barnes) could drop to you at #6.

Getting 2 of T-Rob\Beal\MKG\Barnes or Drummond, I think would be a heck of a haul and worth the cost of absorbing the extra $1-2mil\year of Thomas....

CHA desperately needs quality talent. Doubt they'd do this.

 

[magnifier661]

Someone had mentioned a Matthews & #11 to CHA for Thomas and #2....

Matthews makes 6.5 - 6.9 - 7.2
Thomas makes 8.0 - 8.7 - 9.4

and POR still would have #6, I would do a deal like that....Take Robinson @ #2 or whomever they are really high on (Beal\MKG\Drummond). I'd have to play out the scenarios of what WAS\CLE\SAC wuld do depending on who (Beal\T-Rob\MKG\Drummond) you took, b\c there is a good chance that one of those guys (or Barnes) could drop to you at #6.

Getting 2 of T-Rob\Beal\MKG\Barnes or Drummond, I think would be a heck of a haul and worth the cost of absorbing the extra $1-2mil\year of Thomas....

If they pull that off, Jordan is a smuck! But I would be very very pleased!

 

[BrianFromWA]

The Morris twins were drafted 13th and 14th in the NBA Draft. Not exactly scrubs. When TRob got his chance his chance he didn't disappoint. He was the last unanimous-voted All-American forward since Blake Griffin as well.

Markieff went 7/4 with a 12 PER for PHX, Marcus went 2/1 with a 3.8 PER for HOU and spent half the year in the D-League. Those are semi-scrubbish numbers, and NOT Blake Griffin-esque.

 

[Reep]

twice as many? Are you using robinson's college career? Or comparing last seasons? Last season, Robinson was at 22, adjusted per 40, Blake I believe 27. With more touches. not double the scoring. Hard to compare career when Robinson played alongside the morris brothers his first 2 years.

Okay, I messed up the scoring. But, Robinson was Junior, Griffin a Soph. And Griffin lead in every catagory (all scaled and pace adjusted)

Pts: 27 v 22
Reb: 17 v 15
FG%: 65 v 50
FTA: 11 v 7.6

Don't get me wrong in that I'm not against Robinson. I'm uncertain about his ceiling, but he could be a very solid pick here. He isn't Griffin, but that's not all bad. I'm guessing he will be a better teammate, a better defender, and could be a better championship piece.