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Quick. And I don't remember him saying Bayno would be interested. Rather, he said Kaleb would select Bayno as his right hand man if he becomes head coach.
 
MARIS61 said:
All current and retired coaches are "available".

All that is needed to negotiate with Popovich or Adelman is their team's permission, which can be bought.
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It certainly does seem like false economizing to save money on a coach when you just gave a young player like Batum a $45 million contract. Great, I get that the "players play", but Batum clearly hasn't reached his full potential, and probably never will without the right coach and the right system.

That's the one area where PA has never been willing to loosen the purse strings, make a big splash and hire a proven winner. Instead, we get guys like PJ Carlesimo and Mo Cheeks. Even Rick Adelman was an unknown when the Blazers hired him. And now, our top two choices come down to a guy with a 115 - 168 career record, who has never had a winning season and hasn't been a head coach in over 5 years and Skippy the video coordinator. If you were the richest owner in sports, would you be happy with these two options? I know I wouldn't be.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
That's the one area where PA has never been willing to loosen the purse strings

BNM
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I don't believe that to be true. Whether you liked Nate at the time or not, when PA hired him he paid Nate a shit load of money. He was one of the highest paid coaches in the NBA. And at the time he was highly thought of as a coach.

he also tried to lure some of the top college coaches away as well by offering them a huge contract. Coack K was one I believe the year they hired Carlisimo.
 
Adelman terrorized the Chemeketa Community College circuit.
 
I remember Wesley saying before summer league that Canales didn't really change any offensive sets after McMillan was fired, during the season or for summer league. I really doubt he has the knowledge to do so. I don't think he's shown he has above average knowledge on the game of basketball, it's absolutely ridiculous that he could be our head coach next year, and even that he was the interim head coach. I doubt he'd even be a good high school coach.
 
What qualified Spoelstra to be Miami's head coach? What qualified Lawrence Frank. Mike Brown?

When you work as a video guy you're breaking down other teams offense. You eat, sleep and breathe game film. To suggest that Canales doesn't know the game of basketball is being a little disingenious.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
I remember Wesley saying before summer league that Canales didn't really change any offensive sets after McMillan was fired, during the season or for summer league. I really doubt he has the knowledge to do so. I don't think he's shown he has above average knowledge on the game of basketball, it's absolutely ridiculous that he could be our head coach next year, and even that he was the interim head coach. I doubt he'd even be a good high school coach.
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This is really my biggest objection. It isn't so much Kaleb's lack of 'experience' per se, it's that his ONLY experience has been learning at Nate's knee. If that's all Canales knows, we'd be better off with McMillan. I don't want McMillan, period, so I sure as hell don't want McMillan Junior.
 
BBert said:
This is really my biggest objection. It isn't so much Kaleb's lack of 'experience' per se, it's that his ONLY experience has been learning at Nate's knee. If that's all Canales knows, we'd be better off with McMillan. I don't want McMillan, period, so I sure as hell don't want McMillan Junior.
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Maybe he paid more attention to Monty?
 
MickZagger said:
What qualified Spoelstra to be Miami's head coach? What qualified Lawrence Frank. Mike Brown?

When you work as a video guy you're breaking down other teams offense. You eat, sleep and breathe game film. To suggest that Canales doesn't know the game of basketball is being a little disingenious.
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Zags this isn't your strongest argument.

I'll tell you what qualified Mike Brown and Eric Spoelstra.... they had LeBron fucking James as their player. I would bet money that they could take someone out of the stands and have them coach the Heat ala the movie Eddie and the Heat would still be one of the best teams in the league.
 
MickZagger said:
When you work as a video guy you're breaking down other teams offense. You eat, sleep and breathe game film. To suggest that Canales doesn't know the game of basketball is being a little disingenious.
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I'll give you that Canales should know how to break down and analyze players' tendencies from game film. That should help him develop pre-game strategy. How does he handle time outs? McMillan just gave the ball to Brandon. In-game strategy and adjustments? McMillan sucked at it -- see every playoff series. Handling player egos, managing tiffs between players, hell managing period? We don't know. There's more to being the top guy than making highlight tapes. Does he know how to implement a different offense than Nate's? Does he want to? That's what I want to know.
 
MickZagger said:
Maybe he paid more attention to Monty?
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At the end of the day, I don't know what Canales knows and what he wants to do. In the meantime, I'll be waiting on the nearest bridge. :)
 
Natebishop3 said:
Zags this isn't your strongest argument.

I'll tell you what qualified Mike Brown and Eric Spoelstra.... they had LeBron fucking James as their player. I would bet money that they could take someone out of the stands and have them coach the Heat ala the movie Eddie and the Heat would still be one of the best teams in the league.
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I disagree. Managing huge ego's is a very difficult task.

I thought Spoelstra made good decisions during the playoffs. There's a reason why Pat Riley and Kupchak have faith in these young video guys.
 
What do we really have to lose by hiring Canales anyways? I consider it a 1, possibly to 2 year audition. Looking up and down this roster, playoffs look bleak. We have an eager, cheap, up and coming coach looking for his break who the young guys actually want to play hard for. Lets see if he can make fire out of rocks and sticks.

If it doesn't workout, or we decide we want a different coach to take us to the promise land. We throw big money at that guy in a couple years. Meanwhile, surround Canales with a great staff of assistants.
 
MickZagger said:
What do we really have to lose by hiring Canales anyways? I consider it a 1, possibly to 2 year audition. Looking up and down this roster, playoffs look bleak. We have an eager, cheap, up and coming coach looking for his break who the young guys actually want to play hard for. Lets see if he can make fire out of rocks and sticks.

If it doesn't workout, or we decide we want a different coach to take us to the promise land. We throw big money at that guy in a couple years. Meanwhile, surround Canales with a great staff of assistants.
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I totally think it's fine to hire him, I just have contempt for the process they used to come to this decision (assuming it comes to pass).
 
MickZagger said:
What do we really have to lose by hiring Canales anyways? I consider it a 1, possibly to 2 year audition.
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We stand to lose 1 - 2 years development of our very young roster. Canales has never played the game and never coached until this interim gig. What qualifies him to develop young talent? He's young and the guys like him? That seems to be his big selling point. It's not enough. We have too many young players that need a teacher, not a best buddy. He's going to have enough trouble learning how to do his own job.

Lottery/no lottery isn't the issue here. I want an experienced teacher that that has a proven record developing young talent. Yeah, he's old as dirt, but if we're going to lose anyway, I'd rather have Hubie Brown (or Larry Brown) teaching these young guys than Kaleb "Skippy" Canales.

BNM
 
Nikolokolus said:
I totally think it's fine to hire him, I just have contempt for the process they used to come to this decision (assuming it comes to pass).
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The whole process reminds me of the Miss America pageant. We had our 12 semi-finalists, then our five finalists. Now we're down to the winner and first runner-up. But, unlike the real world, in this pageant, Miss Congeniality might actually win.

BNM
 
Offensive scheme will be a big part of what the next coach brings to the new look Ptd Trailblazers.

What exactly is Kaleb's offensive scheme and what is his experience in this offensive scheme?
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Offensive scheme will be a big part of what the next coach brings to the new look Ptd Trailblazers.

What exactly is Kaleb's offensive scheme and what is his experience in this offensive scheme?
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PLEASE!!!! Anything but Nate-Ball...

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
We stand to lose 1 - 2 years development of our very young roster. Canales has never played the game and never coached until this interim gig. What qualifies him to develop young talent? He's young and the guys like him? That seems to be his big selling point. It's not enough. We have too many young players that need a teacher, not a best buddy. He's going to have enough trouble learning how to do his own job.

Lottery/no lottery isn't the issue here. I want an experienced teacher that that has a proven record developing young talent. Yeah, he's old as dirt, but if we're going to lose anyway, I'd rather have Hubie Brown (or Larry Brown) teaching these young guys than Kaleb "Skippy" Canales.

BNM
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Do NBA head coaches really develop players? Assistants are the one's rolling up their sleeves and working with the young guys. I remember Sergio was a Demopolis project, Bayno was assigned to Bayless, Monty to Batum/Outlaw. Grgs worked with all the guys. Luke with Oden/Aldridge...I could go on and on.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Offensive scheme will be a big part of what the next coach brings to the new look Ptd Trailblazers.

What exactly is Kaleb's offensive scheme and what is his experience in this offensive scheme?
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If he runs the Pick & Roll (or Pop) with Lillard/Aldridge+Hickson and Batum isn't just relegated to the corner for 3's on offense it will be all I need.
 
Anyone crying about not playing youth is being silly. That is obviously the direction the team is going, and the finalists were chosen accordingly. One of the benefits to waiting on the hire
 
Boob-No-More said:
We stand to lose 1 - 2 years development of our very young roster. Canales has never played the game and never coached until this interim gig. What qualifies him to develop young talent? He's young and the guys like him? That seems to be his big selling point. It's not enough. We have too many young players that need a teacher, not a best buddy. He's going to have enough trouble learning how to do his own job.

Lottery/no lottery isn't the issue here. I want an experienced teacher that that has a proven record developing young talent. Yeah, he's old as dirt, but if we're going to lose anyway, I'd rather have Hubie Brown (or Larry Brown) teaching these young guys than Kaleb "Skippy" Canales.

BNM
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:topicclosed: Slam-dunk summary.
 
There's a fine line between developing youth and breeding self-rightousness.
 
I'm trying to think of what 'young' talent that Larry or Hubie Brown developed.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Anyone crying about not playing youth is being silly. That is obviously the direction the team is going, and the finalists were chosen accordingly. One of the benefits to waiting on the hire
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Oh MM....the new naive, optimistic you is kinda cute.
 
Mike Brown:

1988: basketball at Mesa Community College for two years

1990: basketball at the University of San Diego for two years

1992: started as an intern, then worked 5 years as video coordinator and scout for the Denver Nuggets

2000: hired by Gregg Popovich as an assistant coach with the San Antonio Spurs.

2003: won a championship as assistant coach with the San Antonio Spurs

2003: hired as assistant coach to Rick Carlisle with the Indiana Pacers. He helped lead Indiana to consecutive playoff appearances including a trip to the Eastern Conference Finals in 2004.

2005: Brown got his first head coaching job with the Cleveland Cavaliers, replacing Brendan Malone, becoming the second youngest coach in the league, with only Lawrence Frank of the New Jersey Nets younger.

17 years of basketball experience, 12 of those in the NBA, 5 as an assistant with very good teams (one championship) before becoming head coach




Erik Spoelstra:

1988: played in Sonny Vaccaro's Nike All-Star camp in Princeton, New Jersey, joining future NBA players Alonzo Mourning, Shawn Kemp, and Bobby Hurley in the camp.

1989: was named the West Coast Conference Freshman of the Year. Spoelstra was the Pilots' starting point guard for four years, averaging 9.2 points, 4.4 assists and 2.4 rebounds per game.

1993: two years as a player/coach for TuS Herten (later the Herten Ruhr Devils / Hertener Löwen), a midlevel professional German team based in Westphalia.

1995: Heat video coordinator

1997: assistant coach/video coordinator

1999: assistant coach/advanced scout

2001: assistant coach/director of scouting

2005: cited by Sports Illustrated for honing star guard Dwyane Wade’s "shooting balance and smoothing out his release after the Flash’s return from the Athens Olympics."

2006: won a championship with the Heat as assistant coach and director of scouting

2008: named head coach of Miami Heat

20 years of basketball experience, 13 in the NBA, 11 as assistant coach with the heat (one championship) before becoming head coach




Kaleb Canales:

2000: graduated from the University of Texas at Arlington with a degree in kinesiology.

He later earned a master's degree in sports leadership from Virginia Commonwealth University.

Canales began his coaching career as an assistant coach at United High School and Martin High School, both in Laredo, and then at the college level at Texas-Arlington.

2005: hired as a video intern for the Portland Trail Blazers, and was eventually hired as the team's video coordinator

2009: promoted to assistant coach

2012: promoted to interim head coach

8 to 9 years of basketball experience if you count being an assistant coach at high schools, 7 in the NBA, only 3 as assistant coach before becoming head coach
 
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